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MicroHydro
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 12:05 pm |
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In North America, where minks (and related predators) are among the native species, the environmental impact is minimal. Most will starve or be killed by more experienced animals.
Had he done the same thing on an island with no native minks/weasles/stoats/mongooses/ferrets - plus endangered ground nesting birds - it would have been an apalling act of ecological vandalism.
_________________ "The world is changed... I feel it in the water... I feel it in the earth... I smell it in the air... Much that once was, is lost..." - Galadriel
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aflurry
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 12:14 pm |
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Quote: ter·ror·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tr-rzm) n. The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
violence against property? the term "violence" should not apply to property.
poor kid. stupid thing to do, but i've done supider. 82 years is a long time. maybe peak oil and the subsequent disintigration of infrastructure will make it impossible to house so many prisoners for petty non-violent and drug-related crimes.
see, PO has a silver lining after all.
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Hiderow
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 12:25 pm |
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Joined: Mon Nov 29, 2004 1:00 am Posts: 110 Location: Eire
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I've had arguments with many an american telling them they have no rights cos of the patriot act, they can label ANYONE they want a terrorist & do what they want with them.
I'm actually surprised most of you didn't see this coming.
Watch what happens when they impose martial law in the states, you people are screwed 
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bobcousins
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 1:02 pm |
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Our freedoms are being depleted here too. We've had people arrested for carrying a penknife, convicted for carrying a butter knife, and tagged for protesting (too much)...the list goes on.
The police now use anti-terror laws to move on/arrest anyone they deem causing a nuisance.
To be fair, if you have had shit put through your letter box, cars and windows repeatedly vandalised, letters written to people in your community accusing you of being a pedophile, you would probably be very glad there are finally some laws to put a stop to it.
Unfortunately, to get rid of the 1% nuisance element in society, the other 99% will have to put up with some erosion of liberties.
_________________ It's all downhill from here
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shortonoil
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 2:57 pm |
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In 1973 I had a good friend who was a power plant designer and manager. One day we were sitting in his office discussing an idea that he had for a new power plant. During that conversation he mentioned his concern about the vulnerability of the US power grid. On his wall was a huge map of the entire US power grid. He walked over to the map, which was glass covered, and will a magic marker started circling grid nodes. The comment that he then made has stuck with me ever since. He said, “thirty men with a few explosives can shut the US’s power system down and keep it down permanently”.
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Armageddon
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 3:18 pm |
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thats my point. it would be so easy.
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Armageddon
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 3:19 pm |
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thats why i always keep a months supply of food and water at my house. and tp 
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rowante
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 3:19 pm |
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I remember a couple of months after Sept. 11, Dateline here in Australia did a story about a similar case in America. A young environmental activist firebombed a SUV dealership, late at night. No one was injured and I think the damages where under $100k, yet he was tried for terrorism.
Quote: Unfortunately, to get rid of the 1% nuisance element in society, the other 99% will have to put up with some erosion of liberties
Those eroded liberties will be very difficult to reclaim. This mentality while understandable, is going to be the end of the Democratic system.
_________________ Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. - Aldous Huxley
Sydney Peak Oil
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PenultimateManStanding
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 3:46 pm |
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rowante wrote: Those eroded liberties will be very difficult to reclaim. This mentality while understandable, is going to be the end of the Democratic system.
Precisely the goal of the real terrorists. That is, unless you figure they are just bogeymen set up by Cheney and the neocon conspirators.
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k_semler
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 5:21 pm |
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Here is the text of Lights Out! The story is not completed yet, and there are grammatical errors, but it is a very good story about TEOWAWKI. It is about an EMP attack on the US, and has some very good references in it regarding surviving, and even covers millitary tactics.
_________________ Here Lies the United States Of America.
July 04, 1776 - June 23 2005
Epitaph: "The Experiment Is Over."
Rest In Peace.
Eminent Domain Was The Murderer.
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hoplite
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 5:37 pm |
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THERE ARE NO TERRORISTS.
wake up.
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Armageddon
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 5:49 pm |
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there are millions of terrorists who would love to see america destroyed. do you pay attention ? they hate america and israel. i wont name names, but they read a book called the koran.
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shortonoil
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 6:35 pm |
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Quote: there are millions of terrorists who would love to see america destroyed. do you pay attention ? they hate america and israel. i wont name names, but they read a book called the koran.
About .001% of them are terrorists. About the same percentage that can be found anywhere. 50% of them just hate us! 99.99% of them hate Israel.
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Tapas
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 6:48 pm |
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This whole fantasy about terrorist networks and Al CIAda ( Thank You EnemyCombatant) was made up by the Neo-cons to advance their PNAC doctrine of global empire.
It was an imagined enemy propped up by propaganda network of the powers that be into submitting the common citizens of the USA and UK into an illegal occupation of two sovereign nations, Iraq and Afghanistan for the sole purpose of building a multi-billion dollar pipeline and securing the oil reserves under the ground.
While the Neo-cons keep on harping they are out to spread freedom and democracy, their actual intent has been to do the exact opposite to her own citizens, establish a police state, gut the constitution, and keep the sheeple under their thumb with perpetual fear, religious fanaticism and disinformation disseminated through their corporate controlled media.
If you want to get a quick overview of how this mythical Al CIAda was propped up, please watch this BBC documentary:
Power of Nightmares
There are 3 episodes, each an hour long:
Part 1 - Baby it's Cold Outside
Part 2 - The Phantom Victory
Part 3 - The Shadows in the Cave
Just watch the third episode, if you are impatient. It will tell you enough to realize how badly we have been misguided.
This documentary takes you beyond Fahrenheit 9-11. Sadly, the American people would never get this kind of exposure in their own mainstream media.
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Armageddon
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 6:57 pm |
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i read crossing the rubicon and i believe you. but i do believe the millions of radical muslims would destroy america if they could. if they ever get their hands on a suitcase nuke, they would use it over here in a minute.
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