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 Post subject: The Spreading Food Crisis Thread (U.S. & World) Archived
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In Africa, food riots have swept across the continent, with recent protests in Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Ivory Coast, Mauritania, Senegal. In most of West Africa, the price of food has risen by 50 percent—in Sierra Leone, 300 percent. Last week, African finance ministers warned the rise in international food prices “poses significant threats to Africa’s growth, peace and security.” Other protests have been held this past week in countries like Cambodia, Indonesia, Egypt. In Haiti, at least five people have died in riots over 50 percent price hikes for rice, beans and fruit since last year. The demonstrations continued Monday outside the national palace in Port-au-Prince.

Last month, the World Food Program issued a rare appeal for an additional $500 million in funding. For its part, the Bush administration has reduced emergency food aid. Last month, the US Agency for International Development said that a 41 percent surge in prices for wheat, corn, rice and other cereals over the past six months has generated a $120 million budget shortfall that will force the agency to reduce emergency operations.

... one of the major issues is, of course, the price of oil. I mean, one of the problems with the way our food reaches us today is that it is industrial, it is very fossil fuel-intensive, not just to the distance the food travels, but also in the fertilizer. You know, fossil fuel is required to produce fertilizer, pesticide, these sorts of things. And so, when the price of oil is over $100 a barrel, that combines with all the other factors to make a perfect storm where food prices are absolutely beyond the means of the poorest people.


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 Post subject: Re: Food Riots Break Out Across the Globe
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Good on our part about cutting back,
From now on, food support without aggressive contraception support is just further moral hazard. It only insures that more will suffer latter


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Tens of millions will starve to death because of the [s]'green' movement and their[/s] demand that we engage in crop burning.

Or is this slaughter inevitable and simply the beginnings of the long anticipated die-off?

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I find it amusing that the UN director of the food organization is named Diouf. How appropriate.

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The crisis is widespread and the result of numerous causes a kind of "perfect storm" leading to panic in many places:
* In Thailand, farmers are sleeping in their fields because thieves are stealing rice, now worth $600 a ton, right out of the paddies.
* Four people were killed in Egypt in riots over subsidized flour that was being sold for profit on the black market.
* There have been food riots in Morocco, Senegal and Cameroon.
* Mexico's government is considering lifting a ban on genetically modified crops, to allow its farmers to compete with the United States.
* Argentina, Kazakhstan and China have imposed restrictions to limit grain exports and keep more of their food at home.
* Vietnam and India, both major rice exporters, have announced further restrictions on overseas sales.
* Violent food protests hit Burkina Faso in February.
* Protesters rallied in Indonesia recently, and media reported deaths by starvation.
* In the Philippines, fast-food chains were urged to cut rice portions to counter a surge in prices.
* Millions of people in India face starvation after a plague of rats overruns a region, as they do cyclically every 50 years.
* Officials in Bangladesh warn of an emerging "silent famine" that threatens to ravage the region.
According to some experts, the worst damage is being done by government mandates and subsidies for "biofuels" that supposedly reduce carbon dioxide emissions and fight climate change. Thirty percent of this year's U.S. grain harvest will go to ethanol distilleries. The European Union, meanwhile, has set a goal of 10 percent bio-fuels for all transportation needs by 2010.
"A huge amount of the world's farmland is being diverted to feed cars, not people," writes Gwynne Dyer, a London-based independent journalist.

'Silent' famine sweeps globe
Rice, fertilizer shortages, food costs, higher energy prices equal world crisis

Oh, and by the way. This is an off-topic discussion.
Nothing related to Peak Oil or Depletion Economics here...
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We are one bad harvest away from total end of world chaos with a billion dead. Even without a bad harvest we are in for some troubling times. I think is fair to state the the Earth is at max capacity right now. And I mean Right Now. For every person born today someone somewhere must die to make room.


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We are one bad harvest away from total end of world chaos with a billion dead. Even without a bad harvest we are in for some troubling times. I think is fair to state the the Earth is at max capacity right now. And I mean Right Now. For every person born today someone somewhere must die to make room.



I think we reached max capacity 50 years ago. We shouldn't be packed togther like sardines.


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My wife mentioned to me that she felt bad that these famines are sweeping the globe and we eat so well here. And we were only sitting down to maybe a ten dollar pot of homemade broccolli cheese soup. I would have much preferred a $40 french onion and prime rib dinner, with some creme broule for dessert.
I agree with you guys this is not only a big issue, but it is also a smoking gun for peak oil. There is not other reason why supply would lag like it is under such strong demand except that they simply can't do it. Simmons is taking alot of heat now from the oil majors, insults are being cast and he is firing right back. I am real proud of the stand he is taking right now, because he is right. The oil majors are in liquidation and men of such high morals and intestinal fortitude that they will sit back and watch the world starve to death rather then tell the truth, peak oil is here now.
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And yes I agree with what my wife's conscience was implying, this is a social justice issue on a global scale.

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I think is fair to state the the Earth is at max capacity right now. And I mean Right Now. For every person born today someone somewhere must die to make room.


MUST, does not mean WILL. I dont know what u mean by max capacity, but there is plenty of forest left to burn to make some more human biomass. I 'd say we'll see 7, or even 7.1 billion. Pretty soon.


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* In Thailand, farmers are sleeping in their fields because thieves are stealing rice, now worth $600 a ton]


[smilie=new_shocked.gif] WWhat? I was buying decent rice for 10 cents a kilo in RETAIL with 21% of sales tax included in the price.2002-2003

How much is rice now in Costco or Sam's or whatever?


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The problem is not that we are packed like sardines but that each person has a global impact of 10 acres or more. In that regard the world was over populated in 1800. I have been reading some of the comments on the BBCabout the food crisis and few understand what is going on here and what is going to happen long term.

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Index of State Weakness in the Developing World
Here is a list of countries sorted by an index of "state weakness", which is closely aligned with poverty.

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There is a strong relationship between poverty and state weakness. Poorer countries tend to be weaker ones, in part because they are more vulnerable to conflict. The United States must complement the Millennium Challenge Account's focus on "good performers" with parallel strategies to reduce poverty in the world's most challenging states.


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So I read through the table posted by gw... and no where do I see the US on it? Are we afraid to hold up the mirror and recognize where we are in that mix? Or did I just miss it the two times I was glancing through?
Edited to add: Never mind... just saw it was "developing states" only.

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I wish it were possible to take account of the "robustness" of that strong state index. Will it really take that much to cast Mexico up the chart, so to speak?

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Except for the countries fighting civil wars, you could grow food and survive in most of the other bottom countries. But most of the countries have bought into the World Bank bullshit of mono cropping and sending that to some other country. Then buying packaged food sent from thousands of miles away. Get used to the riots they will soon be coming to a city near you.


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