Specop_007 said:

It would take one to extract that dialogue out of what I said! Maybe you missed my Available Energy thread? Available Energy

Of course PO is coming whether or not the US ever uses another gallon of oil. That is hardly even a discussion at this point, unless one is communicating with something less intelligent than a termite.

Yes, many, many will probably die during the oncoming crisis as petrochemicals are the life blood of modern civilization, but for the US to survive with any semblance of a technological civilization we will need the co-operation of as many nations as possible. Coping the attitude of a belligerent sociopathic Mongoloid troglodyte is hardly going to accomplish that. The day when the US can intimidate and bully the remaining resource rich nations of the world has come to an end. Oil does not come out of the ground at the point of a gun. Remember what happened in that desert paradise - Iraq?

Perhaps you should look around! Being in American means being in the most debt riddened, bankrupt country on the planet. The only thing standing between you and absolute destitution and anarchy is a completely failed and collapsing banking/economic system. A currency that is backed by a financial cesspool. Evidently, you have no idea how much shit we are standing in!

That's a little too "fresh" for me to handle. I don't like the idea of butchering my own meat.

I never was a fan of the theory that predicts we're all going to run out of the city and onto the farm when PO hits. Besides all the good farmland out there is owned by someone else, probably someone with a rifle gun who would not be happy with uninvented guests.

So I guess me and all the city slickers have no where to go post PO but just stay put. I think people will just eat "lower" on the food scale. The difference between a frozen dinner and beans and rice is extreme. Even a lowly day laborer can make enough money to buy food, assuming you live in a 1st world nation.

but I'm getting off-topic here. This isn't a debate between city vs. rural.

Fer sure! 10lbs of potatoes is a little bit under a couple bucks, Pintos are half a buck per pound, and enough rice to last a couple months is only ~$10. Compared to a few bucks per frozen diner, and we're talking about $10-15/month for calories compared to around $100. Simply diverting grain production for livestock to humans in the states could feed around two billion people circa the 80s.

The price of wheat continues to fall.

--> Wheat Falls Below $8 as Investors Expect Rate Cut Will Be Last <--

Right now there is a general sell off in the commodity markets: energy, grains, metals, and softs. This is normal. Something goes up by 100% and now it has dropped 30%. That still makes it a bull market in the next couple years. IMOH Recall after hurricane Katrina in 2005 oil crashed by 30% (down to $50) and the mainstream media declared the commodity bull market dead. We all know what happened to crude oil afterwards.

expect to see this within years:
oil $300
gold $3000
wheat $30

Specop_007 wrote:



Believe me if you eat a chicken you butchered that day, you will be sorry (Unless you like cardboard). You need to age it in the fridge for at least three days in order to get a good tasting bird. If you are in a hurry, You can freeze it over night and thaw it out the next day.

Cliff (Start a rEVOLution, grow a garden)

If you follow this procedure chickens are quite good the same day: slit the birds throat, pluck (my folks have a plucker), immediately immerse in ice water, when chilled (a few minutes), remove, gut, and finish processing. do not gut before chilling as this increases risk of contamination.

Well to reference your other post...


Now the implied statement here is "America is screwing it up by trying to drive its SUV's".

I didnt say it, you did.

Moving on....

As for being the most in debt, you need to clarify. Based on these figures, we're far from the most in debt country. In fact, we're #65th.

As of April 2008, the total U.S. federal debt was approximately $9.5 trillion[2], about $31,100 per capita (that is, per U.S. resident). Of this amount, debt held by the public was roughly $5.3 trillion.[3] If, in addition, unfunded Medicaid, Social Security, etc. promises are added, this figure rises to a total of $59.1 trillion.[4] In 2007 the public debt was 36.8 percent of GDP ranking 65th in the world.[5]. The total debt is currently 66.5% of GNP.

As for bullying other countries, actually my friend we can do it even more now if we want. Look around! Theres food riots all over the globe, countries restricting exports of food due to fears. You know what? I can go down to almost any grocery store in the city and buy rice krispy treats. The world starves from lack of rice, we put sugar on it for dessert.

Trust me when I say this, Americans wont be eating what they have in years past. Then again, a whole hell of a lot of people will be starving to death while Americans are still having full bellys.

But I suppose we can trade food for crude. And if they dont want to, we'll go it alone and refine it into fuel.

You see my friend, America is in a very unique position to have our cake, eat it AND drive it too.

To put it simply, our standard of living is so disproportionately high as compared to the rest of the world that the rest of the world will be lying in the dirt drawing its last breath before we go hungry.

Want proof? Look around. Its happening right now. People starve, I eat dessert. Its shitty I admit, but its just how it is. Be thankful your in a first world country I guess.

While I agree with most of what you say, I must take exception to this one minor point.

It is not "shitty". Rather, it is utterly delightful.

Abundance rejoices most in the face of want.

So turn on the tube, watch the bloated kid with the fly on its face, and have an ice cream sundae with extra chocolate sauce and toasted nuts. And whipped cream!

It's all good.

Very, very good.

The tube? Common Jack you should go do it in live. Ticket might be pricey, especially the return ticket I guess, but I'm sure it will be worh it, for you.

You're quite right - it is better live. Fortunately, there are a variety of opportunities for conspicuous consumption in my own locale. You'd be amazed at the reaction you can get from someone down on their luck when you display a subtle (but distinct!) arrogant smirk.

Delicious!

If you can't send money to your Dad for life supporting medication he needs then where would our morality about feeding starving folks in third world countries kick in?



Immigrant worker: No more money to Mexico

Or, in other words, bribe the ruling elite, then send in advisors so they can use their troops to keep the oil flowing to us. Their own troops can brutalize the population, while we keep our hands clean.

Works for me...



All I'm saying is, give belligerent sociopathic Mongoloid troglodyte behavior a chance...

Pretty soon the only thing Mexico will be exporting is Mangoes and Papaya (yummy!). $18/hr isn't too shabby for a Mexican worker. I thought these dudes were paid hardly nothing?

Couple years they'll be lining up at the border trying to get back in Mexico.