GTFOH!

Sheeyat. I feel so used....

Eye-ronee....man, even rye-hymens with entro-pee.

People, people:

It's so simple: let's say this entropy issue actually turns out to be a problem - which I'm not convinced it is because the people touting it all seem to be of dubious origin, if you know what I mean - the solution is so simple!

Colonize space.

All we have to do is put 250,000 people per day into cryogenic storage and then send them into low earth orbit for a few hundred or a couple thousand years while the scientists down here on earth come up with a solution to entropy.

Like I said in my original post, we've already got people researching/developing fuel sources from space and technology like space based solar arrays.

I"m sure our politicians have thought of things along the lines of what I'm proposing. After all, you don't get to Congress or the White House if you don't have a good head on your shoulders!

Really all this talk of entropy, energy flows, and the resulting die off is just the rambling of mentally unbalanced people who think they can make a quick buck off spouting scary, scientific mumbo-jumbo.

Like this Hubbert guy I've been reading about! He's going to roll over in his grave when he realizes that the "Hubbert Curve" turned out to be a big nothing due to humanity's amazing ability to adapt, cooperate, and implement advanced technological solutions to the problems we face.

Like I said: cryogenic storage + low earth orbit = entropy solved.

VOR

OK. I was probably dense. I think other are right: this post was ironic. If so: it's damn funny. I wish I would have thought of it. It had me going.

And I was being negative. We should put our heads together to overcome this entropy thing. Remember the first law of thermodynamics: energy cannot be created or destroyed. So why worry. That 7 mpg truck that was recently advertised. It's not wasting energy. It's just putting it into another form. And we'll tap into that other from of energy once we overcome the entropy law.

In fact, Tom DeLay, one of our illustrious leads in the House, does not believe in evolution. I'm sure he'd be more than happy to pass a low making the second law illegal. It's unamerican.

"Colonize space."

Right. Entropy does not apply to space.

"All we have to do is put 250,000 people per day into cryogenic storage and then send them into low earth orbit for a few hundred or a couple thousand years while the scientists down here on earth come up with a solution to entropy."

Never Mind.

"Like I said: cryogenic storage + low earth orbit = entropy solved."

I've met people like you, you know.

Voice of reason do you know of somethingawful.com?

Cute ...

I just had this awful thought of some state passing a law requiring that highschool physics teachers give equal time to The Perpetual Motion Theory if they plan to teach about entropy.

The original post gets my vote for the post of the month.

VOR,

Reasoned eloquence. Isn't it funny how the mind can move about so when faced with it? I am impressed. And posting it somewhere other than at my thread was a stroke of genius! Those who rush here to get their delusions re-enforced come away somewhat feeling conned, I imagine. But hopefully, provoked to seek greater knowledge and awareness of this, oh so vital issue.

For those of you still not buying it, I offer the following quote from my thread:

MonteQuest,

To be perfectly blunt, I didn't even bother to read your thread on entropy. I already know all I need to know about the "entropy-dieoff" gang comprised of people like you, Richard Heinberg, Jay Hanson, Matt Savinar and others: I am not about to waste my time or energy on a bunch of scientific mumbo-jumbo designed only to scare people!

Rather, I choose to invest my time in coming up with solutions. For instance, here is another one to go along with the possibility of freezing about 2 million people per week and sending them off into low-earth orbit:

Build a Dyson sphere around a star and beam the energy to Earth! Then you can take that energy and use it to convert water into hydrogen. In order to build the hydrogen infrastructure, the president can set up work camps of dissidents to do the construction for free. And if there aren't enough of them to do the job, we can get people from the third world to do it. Of course, there is the problem of not having enough fresh water to complete this project, but we will cross that bridge when we come to it. Sure, there are some minor technical problems to overcome, but hey nothing worth doing was ever easy!

Here is an example of the type of person we need to emulate: Henry Ford. Ford saw that at the turn of the century, New York was faced with a major problem: all the horse-sh-t that was piling up around New York City presented a major ecological problem. If that isn't an example of a problem with entropy, I don't know what is.

So he mass produced the automobile and the problem was solved!

Oh sure, I'm sure some of you conspiracy types will chime in that Ford was an avowed Nazi, built about 1/3 of all the vehicles the Nazis used, and actually received numerous awards directly from Hitler, but really, enough with the left-wing conspiracy stuff, okay.

A few Senate reports indicating the above to be completely true doesn't mean it is!

Monte: I'm sure your here to help, but before you go on posting any more, I strongly encourage you to read the reasoned and rationale posts of people like Yamaha, Hydro, Nigel, John Denver, Jay Morrison, etc. We need more people like those five on this board. People who want to come up with solutions and won't let themselves be hampered by a bunch of scientific crapola about "entropy" and "biology"!

VOR

Don't Feed the trolls! :D

My favorite part is the "freezing 2000 people" part.

LOTR,

Exactly. End of Thread.

We need to be just like Ford! He saw a problem, and invented the car. That's exactly the kind of solution you need for a problem like peak oil!



Why should a person like VOR even be worried? Hasn't he heard, breeder nukes = infinite energy = infinitie solutions, entropy or no!

You seem willing to waste our time with Dyson spheres & cryogenics though...

(Sorry about the Troll feeding... hard to resist... I know I know... they crap everywhere and deface good threads)

Ah, but VOR, didn't you see my thread about the breakthrough technology from Stanford U under the Open Forum? Check it out. Maybe work along with your cryogenics.


http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic1716.html
Monte

Aaron,

Yet another naysayer.

Look friend, I understand you might be a bit skeptical about Dyson spheres and the possibility of freezing 2 million people a week and sending them into space when we stll can't even get a space shuttle up and back in one piece, so consider two other options:

1. Warp Speed Drive. Yes, people really are researching this. Once the laws of supply and demand kick in, you will see scientists, investors, and industry back this with all the financial and technological might the wonderful market can bring to bear! We will be able to use this technology to colonize other planets. I'm sure there is some friendly planet full of wonderful resources just waiting for us earthlings to go colonize. Look how well things worked out for Columbus when he colonized America. There is no reason to think colonization of space will be any less successufull. At least for us capitalists, that is!

Look, here is a link to prove my point:

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/PAO/warp.htm

2. Teleportation. Yes, again people really are researching this. It will be simple. First we develop the teleportation technology. Then we find a hospitable planet. Then we just beam people to the new planet. Problem solved!

http://www.research.ibm.com/quantuminfo/teleportation/

See, the market really can work when you doomsayers, naysayers, and dieoffers get out of the way!

Again, I'd like to present my four point plan that will save us from entropy, peak oil, financial collapse, global climate change, the water crisis, terrorism, internationl biowarfare and any of these other problems disturbed individuals insist will eventually have some type of an effect on humanity:

1. Dyson spheres

2. Cryogenics

3. Warp Drive

4. Teleportation

Throw in a little solar nanotechnology, plug in electric diesel hybrids, and renewable hydrogen based fuel cells and I don't see why there is any reason we can't nip this entropy thing in the bud!

Like I said: the market and technolgoy will solve this just like they've solved most of humanity's problems.

VOR