I am relieved to find discussion of immunics that's outside of the main site.

I found the site 2 or 3 months ago and joined some lists and whatnot... I could feel SOMETHING from it but wasn't able to "test" properly. Soon after I joined, Bayard posted this really dogmatic, ranty thing about the power of Jesus Christ (!), and I just... Ugh. I mean, I don't have anything against Jesus but if they're going to say it's compatible with whatever spirituality you already have (which, despite their organization being a "church," they do say several times on the site), then I would appreciate the lack of preachy, nutty stuff.... I mean, it was a thousand words or something on how everyone should accept Jesus. It REALLY pissed me off.

Regardless, just a few days ago I decided to test out what I'd learned briefly on their website again and this time I was clearly testing.

So I went back. And lo and behold but I did find an audio file of Bayard saying he doesn't prostheletize. *smirk* So I still have extremely mixed feelings about the people, but what I've tried so far HAS WORKED. Just in two days, I feel lighter and more grounded. So I'd really like to start practicing immunics with others, but I don't want them to have to deal with the weirdness that is the core group of people. Which is really unfortunate, because whatever it is doing, it does work and I have no doubts that with experience it could really come to have drastic effects.

Would people here be interested in creation of an offshoot yahoo group or something along those lines?

The concept of positive emotions increasing longevity is documented.
http://www.psych.utah.edu/2005_spring_3 ... nStudy.pdf
It's not a large leap to posit that by 'thinking' you're going to cure yourself, you actually contribute to curing yourself.

Enviro, I'll check it out.

It's a popular idea that all illnesses are negative and should be eliminated. Some illnesses are a challenge to be overcome but maybe others are instructive in an entirely different way. Perhaps they are to be endured and part of that endurance is to understand their greater role in the life of the person suffering and for those within their sphere of influence.

I got CFIDs 25 years ago, and my ability to incorporate completely new data was massively affected . My short term memory and spatial perception were pretty much destroyed. But my intution is 10 times what it was prior to getting sick. And, honest to God, some days I swear I feel the earth's pain. Should this be cured? Is it somehow intentioned, part of the earth's Gaiian reflex? Are other illnesses playing a similar role? ADD, mild schizophrenia, to name just a couple?

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threadbear,

You present with interesting physical conditions. So, I'd be most interested in hearing what you have to say about negotiating what you know of your inner 'karma' -with- your 'power to be' in this world. Going in the direction of an anomaly in health takes you into one kind of space, going against it takes you somewhere completely different. It comes right down to sheer gut instinct to know whether to fight it or surrender to it. Just how do we know how to pick our path?

So you're aware, I'm at the stage of reverse-engineering the Immunics techniques. There is one sutra practice, one tantra practice, a nyingma meditation, a yoga of kundalini, a dzogchen yoga, an Emotional Freedom Technique (tapping), network chiropractic, homeopathy, Process Oriented Psych., and 2 martial arts practices to rethread their methods into. All I need to do is find out which frequency they are on, tune it in and learn how it does what it does. Then, I can blend it. I hope to achieve an eclectic process in the end -- every fragment is a part of the Whole.

Also, I'm getting lots of 'prompting' to restart the Phowa practice. So much so, I might construct a thread here to introduce it. It seems time runs short. Those who could benefit ought to at least be given the chance to know about it.

Enviro, In terms of Karma, the concept of surrender was a necessary evolutionary step for me. The illness taught me that in several ways. First, with this illness, the immune system is already boosted or upgraded. The triggering event has been dealt with successfully but the body is still in "fight" mode and doesn't or can't switch off. It's obvious that in this case, emotional surrender to this condition, may help facilitate healing the deranged immune system. A constant searching for a cure, with the attendant frustration and aggressive approach, I figured could backfire. But this Immunix approach sounds different, useful. I'm going to look into it.

I feel that this illness is a mixed blessing and if I was cured I'd lose what might be called second sight, intuition, and the barely perceptible yet strong communication and communion with "other". CCrane talks about the experience of the spiritual adept being similar to that of the CFIDS initiate. I read some years ago that children of a certain tribes, (forget which ones), are identified when they're young, because they're always bumping into things--are remarkably absent minded. These children could be suffering injury to the hippocampus, so would likely be deep integrators and experiencers of knowledge rather than ones who have a more surface understanding. That personality type is likely predispositioned to shamanism, or shamanistic types of experiences. We had no place in society for them, but we're beginning to. This mode of being is essential to the ongoingness of humanity, and the earth is just going to create more and more of them.

The preachy tone that's mentioned in Immunex, Enviro, is unfortunate, but very understandable. People's perception of the implicit realm morph it in such a way that the perception becomes the reality for them, and it can be called neither true or false. Nor can it be said that it's subjectively real but not objectively real. These realms are entirely malleable. The writers Phillip K Dick and Robert anton Wilson have written beautifully on this topic.

My own sense is that we are indeed in constant contact with an invisible dimension, whether we're aware of it or not, and this could be a fantastic means of healing. In this respect, Immunix is likely correct. But then, that's my own personal bias.

Anyway, I'll look over the site and am very interested in what you are doing with the different healing practices and condensing it all down to something a bit easier to manage. Would like to follow that.

Enviro--Are you sick with something, if you don't mind me asking?

CCrane--I really enjoyed reading your post. Think you're onto something big.

Enviro -- Wow! I'd really be interested in being kept in the loop as you go through this process. I really feel like there needs to be more than just this one group working with this technique... One thing I'd like to point out is that the very simple nature of the core techniques are really important at least for me and for other people who are chronically ill or disabled and can't do more physically rigorous things... so, in your work, if you could keep this in mind that would be great.

Raphael, That was very interesting. You might be interested to know that a couple of weeks ago, the son of one of the most highly regarded astrophycisists in the world came over to my place for dinner, and told us his dad insisted that time was entirely a human construct. He had done the math and that is what he concluded.

The Gnostics thought the observable world was an iron prison, a creation of Satan. Do you consider yourself a Gnostic?

Wow, things are getting very deep in this thread. I like it.

I signed up on the Immunics site last night and haven't got far yet. I have to admit my thinking hasn't gotten as deep as some here, but one thing I did notice and thought I could share, was the 'testing' technique is a type of dowsing, but without the rod or pendulum. In fact you could probably use the tools instead of the method they teach (which I still haven't managed yet.) Although it could be a bit embarrassing waving your crystal pendant over the veges in the supermarket, watching people sidle away and giving you funny looks.

KatKin, Waving crystal pendulums over veggies in a supermarket? Bwaa ha ha. Very religious. Lettuce pray.

Greetings, Fellow Earthlings-

I have been very glad to see some action at the topic of the "immunics" protocol and related actions and issues, lately. It seems to me that we are all in need of the best strategies we can discover or devise, to create for ourselves a climate of clarity and calm -- and all possible physical wellbeing. I am imagining that right here is as good as any place from which to venture forth on such investigation; probably considerably a better starting place than many...

I think that there is all the room necessary (if not altogether at PeakOil, then conceptually and practically, in our thoughts and actions, and at other venues) for many approaches to this topic; casual inquiry, theoretical exposition, including wild flights of fancy into "low dream" and "high dream"; the better and the worse possibilities -- plus everything in between, and otherwise.

Then there's actual, practical inquiry -- the direct, experiential approach. Several people have expressed strong interest in this path. I would like to extend further invitation to any who are serious about entering into a peer collaborative, working study group. Certainly further abstract speculation could arise in the course of practical investigation, but this group will be particularly aimed at the directly actionable practices and serious peer mediated discussions of our findings. This group will operate outside of PeakOil, but at some point will likely have findings to share here.

Please feel free to contact me via Personal Messaging, if you find yourself strongly drawn to the practice of this direct inquiry in the company of dedicated peers.

It is further my hope that we may at some time find (and in due time, become) good senior supervision; in beginning, perhaps person(s) not at present altogether conversant in the particular constellation of integrative wellbeing strategies we will be investigating and developing -- but demonstrably mature in the overall consideration (theoretical and experiential) of consciousness and sustainable wellbeing (I am imagining Dr.Charles Tart, Dr. Harvey Honig, or someone of this caliber and proven maturity; hey, it's my dreaming !).

Best wishes to us all -- the simply curious, the brainstormers, the evaluators and the direct doers.

And most especially, best wishes to all who will benefit directly from our engaging in this exciting and potentially very fruitful (and even F*U*N) endeavour.

<<LAISSEZ LES BON TEMPS ROULE!>>¹

Mme_TooToo


¹ "Let the good times roll!"

(p.s. Please also feel free to contact me if you have, or want to hear, parrot jokes, even really bad ones; most of the ones I know are especially, uh... unsophisticated)

May everybody enjoy happiness and all that true happiness requires.

Hi again, folks-

I want to reiterate the invitation to anyone who seriously wishes to participate in the "integrative wellness and healing" (rough draft name) working study group. Please see invitation in my posting of Thursday, April 28, 2005.

Thanks to all who have so far expressed an active interest. At present there have been eight or so (varying levels of commitment offered) who have emailed. A very good start.

This is all still very much in the earliest formative stages, the current hot topic being confidentiality and our scope of disclosure to those not directly in the working study group; an essential point. An issue that can, in my prior experience with similar venues, quickly make or break a venture.

I blush to admit that it took the kind services of another raising the topic to remind me that this would need to be addressed before anything else can even begin to get started. THANK YOU, Another, for so clearly and intelligently bringing this matter to the fore. Any others who wish to add their sage words on this issue? -- salutary and/or cautionary accounts?

Cheerio,

Mme_TooToo

Hey Madame, I'm in. I'll PM you shortly. I've been very distracted lately or I would have gotten right back to this. Thanks for taking the time. It appears that this may be the route to go. God knows "modern" medicine is dismally inadequate when it comes to certain illnesses and issues.

Is there anyone else out there, who could benefit from Madame's concept. Come out, come out, ---Whereever you are!!