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What level of porn should be illegal?
Current levels (underage) 59%  59%  [ 27 ]
Proposed levels (Beastiality) 11%  11%  [ 5 ]
Proposed levels (S&M, Cleveland Steamer) 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
All Hardcore 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
All Porn, whatsoever 7%  7%  [ 3 ]
None, whatsoever (I dare you...) 22%  22%  [ 10 ]
Total votes : 46
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Link to Washington Post article

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Recruits Sought for Porn Squad

By Barton Gellman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, September 20, 2005; Page A21

The FBI is joining the Bush administration's War on Porn. And it's looking for a few good agents.

Early last month, the bureau's Washington Field Office began recruiting for a new anti-obscenity squad. Attached to the job posting was a July 29 Electronic Communication from FBI headquarters to all 56 field offices, describing the initiative as "one of the top priorities" of Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales and, by extension, of "the Director." That would be FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III.

Mischievous commentary began propagating around the water coolers at 601 Fourth St. NW and its satellites, where the FBI's second-largest field office concentrates on national security, high-technology crimes and public corruption.

The new squad will divert eight agents, a supervisor and assorted support staff to gather evidence against "manufacturers and purveyors" of pornography -- not the kind exploiting children, but the kind that depicts, and is marketed to, consenting adults.

"I guess this means we've won the war on terror," said one exasperated FBI agent, speaking on the condition of anonymity because poking fun at headquarters is not regarded as career-enhancing. "We must not need any more resources for espionage."

Among friends and trusted colleagues, an experienced national security analyst said, "it's a running joke for us."

A few of the printable samples:

"Things I Don't Want On My Resume, Volume Four."

"I already gave at home."

"Honestly, most of the guys would have to recuse themselves."

Federal obscenity prosecutions, which have been out of style since Attorney General Edwin Meese III in the Reagan administration made pornography a signature issue in the 1980s, do "encounter many legal issues, including First Amendment claims," the FBI headquarters memo noted.

Applicants for the porn squad should therefore have a stomach for the kind of material that tends to be most offensive to local juries. Community standards -- along with a prurient purpose and absence of artistic merit -- define criminal obscenity under current Supreme Court doctrine.

"Based on a review of past successful cases in a variety of jurisdictions," the memo said, the best odds of conviction come with pornography that "includes bestiality, urination, defecation, as well as sadistic and masochistic behavior." No word on the universe of other kinks that helps make porn a multibillion-dollar industry.

Popular acceptance of hard-core pornography has come a long way, with some of its stars becoming mainstream celebrities and their products -- once confined to seedy shops and theaters -- being "purveyed" by upscale hotels and most home cable and satellite television systems. Explicit sexual entertainment is a profit center for companies including General Motors Corp. and Rupert Murdoch's News Corp. (the two major owners of DirecTV), Time Warner Inc. and the Sheraton, Hilton, Marriott and Hyatt hotel chains.

But Gonzales endorses the rationale of predecessor Meese: that adult pornography is a threat to families and children. Christian conservatives, long skeptical of Gonzales, greeted the pornography initiative with what the Family Research Council called "a growing sense of confidence in our new attorney general."

Congress began funding the obscenity initiative in fiscal 2005 and specified that the FBI must devote 10 agents to adult pornography. The bureau decided to create a dedicated squad only in the Washington Field Office. "All other field offices may investigate obscenity cases pursuant to this initiative if resources are available," the directive from headquarters said. "Field offices should not, however, divert resources from higher priority matters, such as public corruption."

Public corruption, officially, is fourth on the FBI's priority list, after protecting the United States from terrorist attack, foreign espionage and cyber-based attacks. Just below those priorities are civil rights, organized crime, white-collar crime and "significant violent crime." The guidance from headquarters does not mention where pornography fits in.

"The Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation's top priority remains fighting the war on terrorism," said Justice Department press secretary Brian Roehrkasse. "However, it is not our sole priority. In fact, Congress has directed the department to focus on other priorities, such as obscenity."

At the FBI's field office, spokeswoman Debra Weierman expressed disappointment that some of her colleagues find grist for humor in the new campaign. "The adult obscenity squad . . . stems from an attorney general mandate, funded by Congress," she said. "The personnel assigned to this initiative take the responsibility of this assignment very seriously and are dedicated to the success of this program."


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Christ! They're going to outlaw Cleveland Steamers!!!!! :shock: :?

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Diverting Eight FBI agents who could otherwise be spending there time investigating purveyors of Child porn is friggin criminal.

This is asinine.


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Look at the author's name and remember which group traditionally makes millions from porn.

I have a feeling this is not as extreme as it sounds, a lot of legal porn is on the edge of exploiting children, and things like slave-keeping and rough S&M, stuff that most people are not messing with, and those who do are often doing things that really are illegal along with their activities.

Go, Gonzales! 8)


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Look at the author's name and remember which group traditionally makes millions from porn.

I have a feeling this is not as extreme as it sounds, a lot of legal porn is on the edge of exploiting children, and things like slave-keeping and rough S&M, stuff that most people are not messing with, and those who do are often doing things that really are illegal along with their activities.

Go, Gonzales! 8)


Apparently, you didn't read the article.

Here, let me pitch it nice and slow:
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Based on a review of past successful cases in a variety of jurisdictions," the memo said, the best odds of conviction come with pornography that "includes bestiality, urination, defecation, as well as sadistic and masochistic behavior." No word on the universe of other kinks that helps make porn a multibillion-dollar industry.


Did any of the bold words allude to children being used in said acts as being a prerequisite for prosecution? Look real hard. Go ahead.
The FBI is clearly going after the hardcore action, period. Once that is cleaned up, I'm sure Hustler will be up on the gallows next.
And so goes my Saturday night, along with millions.
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OK, apparently we need to have a poll on what constitutes necessarily illegal porn from legal porn.

Bear in mind, it's hard to stay G-rated on this thread.

IMHO, these types should be illegal:

1) Porn involving anything/anyone who can't give consent, for either legal and/or physical reasons.

Includes:
Kiddie porn (obviously), mentally handicapped (come on), beastiality (horses & snakes can't concur contractually)

2) Porn with any actor (besides Ron Jeremy - give 'em props) over the age of 50.

Includes:
Anything with Bea Arthur starring as 'head nurse'. Ewww.

Everything else should be legal. Period.

Includes:
'Softcore', 'Hardcore', College Co-eds, Orgies, 'Girls Gone Wild', S&M (not my cup of tea), Gay Porn (ditto), Tranny porn (do you have to ask?), et. al.

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OK, this is good. I'll reiterate, Go Gonzales! :)


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Free-market libertarians, now is your chance to speak up and show your sack...

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This is the single most hillarious thread on this forum!


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Cyrus wrote:
This is the single most hillarious thread on this forum!


We can all thank our 'limited' federal government for providing the fodder. :-D

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Just too good to let go... *bump*

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So does this mean no more Bang Bus or Captain Stabin? :lol:

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So does this mean no more Bang Bus or Captain Stabin? :lol:


I think so. 'Bang Boat', however, should be off limits because it is most likely filmed in international waters... :o

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emersonbiggins wrote:
OK, apparently we need to have a poll on what constitutes necessarily illegal porn from legal porn.

Bear in mind, it's hard to stay G-rated on this thread.

IMHO, these types should be illegal:

1) Porn involving anything/anyone who can't give consent, for either legal and/or physical reasons.

Includes:
Kiddie porn (obviously), mentally handicapped (come on), beastiality (horses & snakes can't concur contractually)

2) Porn with any actor (besides Ron Jeremy - give 'em props) over the age of 50.

Includes:
Anything with Bea Arthur starring as 'head nurse'. Ewww.

Everything else should be legal. Period.

Includes:
'Softcore', 'Hardcore', College Co-eds, Orgies, 'Girls Gone Wild', S&M (not my cup of tea), Gay Porn (ditto), Tranny porn (do you have to ask?), et. al.
Nice that we have you to define what "community standards" for the whole country. Keep up the good work as self-appointed arbiter of The Way Things Should Be. [smilie=5butthead.gif] [smilie=eusa_clap.gif] Sounds like you're volunteering for the FBI's new task force. Your opinions mean more than the people who think this stuff should be banned because.... why again? And what about the well publicized cases where "Girls Gone Wild" has featured (knowingly or not) minors?

Here's an excellent viewable video from PBS's "Frontline" on the subject that is worth watching. Here's a question for you Emerson: Should the video that the production company outlined in the Frontline documentary be legal? The company prides itself on living "on the edge" and pushing porn to the limits. The video they were producing in the documentary is a depiction of a woman being abducted, brutally raped, and murdered. All done in the hardcore porn filming style with consenting actors and a script (and the appropriate special effects). Would you be willing to stand up in your community and defend that kind of production?


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