How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 9:57 pm Post subject: THE Somalia Thread (merged)
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Lawlesness, anarchy, militias, clans.... does this sound like the post-peak world to you? There is only one country without a government, and that country is Somalia. Is this what post-peak life will be like?
I dont think the US will turn out like that. at least the US is trying to prevent that (by reverting into fascism). I think we will see stronger federal government under the command of FEMA try to take over everything once crap got really bad. I think the people in power will be trying to maintain that power with force and doubt there will be a large enough uprise to create a civil war. In 20+ years, who knows. But I know the government is already making preparations to deal with the chaos that will erupt. I think the government will be able to keep a strong grip on society at least for a decade or two. After war or some of event, and as things become more isolated and less in touch with the world, somolia would be a good example of what could happen.
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:50 pm Post subject: Snowfall in Somalia
Didn't see this anywhere else here today: link
Wonder if its fake link people are putting up. Anyone else here about this. If its true, it does rank up there in the weather anonomly arena.
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:55 pm Post subject:
The site looks legit, but that's just my impression- I could be wrong. _________________ American by birth, Muslim by choice, Southern by the grace of God!
My first thought is where did the cold air come from. It couldn't have been a "normal" front. Have to go look and the weather maps for the last few days and see what the temps were before it happend in the area.
If the cold air "dropped" from high up in the atmosphere.
it might not fit "man is doing it" normal ol greenhouse theories, but it could fit a couple of others.
Though Day after was based on "greenhouse gas from man" causing this.
There are other reasons that represent a normal shift for the earth.
Now that doesn't make it normal for us.
Cars, and stuff make a lot of very very very bad pollution. Needs to be corrected, of course seems like we are on course for that anyhoo, ..without really trying.
Now what is making the sun seem to be operating out of its cycle, and the earth seems to be operating in different cyce. One might effect the other and vise versa for sure. However what makes it all happen in the first place. Thats the mystery.
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 12:16 pm Post subject: Oil in Somalia
There is Oil secretly being pumped off the North Coast of Somalia(aswell as Nuclear waste being dumped along the coast of the chaotic East African country) Somalia is the only country in the world without a working goverment, there are no coast guards, only fishermen and pirates(who have hijacked these Oil tankers for a ransom in the past).
The real reason for US intervention in 1993 (that was assisted by Conoco Oil) was to secure their assets, not for humanitarian reasons.
In a 1991 World Bank-coordinated study, intended to encourage private investment in the petroleum potential of eight African nations, the geologists put Somalia and Sudan at the top of the list of prospective commercial oil producers.
Last years Tsunami meant that alot of the nuclear wasted was washed up on the shores of the country, toxic barrels can be seen on the beaches.
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 1:35 pm Post subject: Re: Oil in Somalia
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There is Oil secretly being pumped off the North Coast of Somalia(aswell as Nuclear waste being dumped along the coast of the chaotic East African country) Somalia is the only country in the world without a working goverment, there are no coast guards, only fishermen and pirates(who have hijacked these Oil tankers for a ransom in the past).
Well it would be interesting to know who is doing this then given that all of the former oil contracts with the Somalia government either expired in the late eighties or are still under force majeure. If you are speaking of that area now called Somaliland ....the self proclaimed government has never been recognized as legitimate by any country in the world. Any company operating there would be pretty stupid given that the new gov't of Somalia could just walk in and take away any discoveries made. But basically this is all bullshit anyway. If someone was producing it would be visible on satellite....high res satellite (down to 6m) from various sources is widely avialble to industry including Nigel Press and Associates who would have highlighted this in studies over this area if it were indeed happening.
If there is oil on the beaches in Somalia/Somaliland it is because the tankers that progress up through the Red Sea are purging their bilges and it is washing up onshore. Note also that there are natural oil seeps in Somalia/Somaliland as well as along the Red Sea coastline.
As to nuclear waste...the area offshore is rife with pirate traffic...who knows who is carrying what and dumping what.
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Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 1:42 pm Post subject: Re: Oil in Somalia
I found this regarding the nuclear waste being stirred up by the Tsunami...
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Somalia's secret dumps of toxic waste washed ashore by tsunami From Jonathan Clayton in Johannesburg
THE huge waves which battered northern Somalia after the tsunami in December are believed to have stirred up tonnes of nuclear and toxic waste illegally dumped in the war-racked country during the early 1990s.
Apart from killing about 300 people and destroying thousands of homes, the waves broke up rusting barrels and other containers and hazardous waste dumped along the long, remote shoreline, a spokesman for the United Nations Environment Programme (Unep) said.
“Initial reports indicate that the tsunami waves broke open containers full of toxic waste and scattered the contents. We are talking about everything from medical waste to chemical waste products,” Nick Nuttal, the Unep spokesman, told The Times.
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Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: Oil in Somalia
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Somalia welcomes oil interest, says no China talks
Sun Aug 21, 2005 4:48 PM GMT
NAIROBI (Reuters) - Somalia's fledgling government welcomes approaches by firms keen to hunt for oil or gas on its territory but has yet to open any such discussions, President Abdullahi Yusuf said on Sunday.
Somalia's oil and gas potential attracted attention from Western major oil producers before the country collapsed in chaos in 1991, and diplomats say Asian firms have shown recent interest amid efforts to stabilise the Horn of Africa country.
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: Oil in Somalia
They(the British) are paying the warlords in the North, for the pumping, dumping and to make sure 'Pirates' do not hijack any tankers. link
Recently so as not to bring attention to why there are tankers full of Oil on the most dangerous coastline in the world they claim the Pirates hijack ships full of food aid whenever they hijack a tanker and demand a ransom.
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