How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
Today the lake near the Mongolian border, 2,600 miles east of Moscow, contains one-fifth of the world's fresh water, enough to provide Earth's 7 billion people with six cups of water a day for the next 6,000 years.
The lake "is an indicator of whether modern man can curb his appetite and preserve what nature has created," she says, surrounded by shelves of maps, nature guides and scientific papers. "It's a kind of red line for humanity."
I don't have much faith in humanity not crossing that red line.
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: Russia's Lake Baikal in danger
They only way we are going to save ourselves is destroying the current economic model of infinite growth. Right now its consume everything until its gone and its already too late.
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:22 pm Post subject: Re: Russia's Lake Baikal in danger
FireJack wrote:
They only way we are going to save ourselves is destroying the current economic model of infinite growth. Right now its consume everything until its gone and its already too late.
Under that model, we literally consume ourselves to death. Witness obesity as ground zero for that.
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:28 am Post subject: Re: Russia's Lake Baikal in danger
Gouge what you can out of it.
As if we can't desalinate fresh water using fusion power or solar cells.
Can't get sentimental when there is progress to be had. Most of us would live in a forest instead of our nice suburbs if we were intent on stopping progress. _________________ "Once the game is over, the king and the pawn go back in the same box."
-Italian Proverb
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: Russia's Lake Baikal in danger
Concerned wrote:
Gouge what you can out of it. As if we can't desalinate fresh water using fusion power or solar cells.
Can't get sentimental when there is progress to be had. Most of us would live in a forest instead of our nice suburbs if we were intent on stopping progress.
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