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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:31 pm Post subject: USA - Saudi relationship
I was listening to Jim Puplava's internet show today, and he claims that the U.S. government has a unique alliance with the Saudi king to support the monarchy there. But monarchy, as practiced in the KSA equates to dictatorship.
If you read about this royal family and the governance there, you can see that this place stands for everything un-American. KSA is ranked the tenth most repressive country in the world according to Wikipedia. It is almost disgusting to see the kind of things this monarchy has done and upholds. Worse than the repression the American colonies experienced under George III. I am not just talking about things like women being prohibited from driving, but there is a lot of their justice system that comes from the dark ages, like blood money and honor killings being ranked different than murder. They have no conceot of free expression, in word or in writing.
For one thing, dissemination of the bible is outlawed. So, if the American government is supporting this, its hard to understand how this ocjld haver the backing of the majority of the American people,who are Christian. Didn't George Bush claim himself to be Christian?
Even though we want/need their oil, why not just trade with them, but avoid getting into a close relationship that could ultimately discredit America?
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 3:46 pm Post subject: Re: USA - Saudi relationship
Denny wrote:
Even though we want/need their oil, why not just trade with them, but avoid getting into a close relationship that could ultimately discredit America
And risk the oil of KSA falling into hands of those you can't control? Democratically elected leaders, like the ones CIA overthrew in Iran and countless of other countries.
Look.
The world doesn't work like that.
World is evil, bad.
You take what you need and hope you don't get caught.
And make sure you have the biggest arsenal of guns if somebody comes after you.
At least, this is the way US thinks and has consistently acted along in their foreign policy for the past 60 years.
If you really want to know more, read some critical history on Latin America, Middle East, South East Asia and all the things the American politicians and secret services have done.
It ain't pretty and anything done in KSA pales in comparison.
If you accept this historical evidence (yes, there is evidence, lots of it) as fact, then the only thing you have to ask yourself is:
When did the US you thought stood for "American values" stop existing and what can _you_ do about it?
Denying the reality isn't going to fix it.
Not that I have any suggestions for you for fixing it, other than cutting down _your_ petroleum consumption. At least you'll have a slightly better conscience.
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: USA - Saudi relationship
Why does Saudi Arabia have such deep connection with America?
After the 1973 Arab oil Embargo against the US (for their support of Israel) America realized its vulnerability and was determined that such an incident could not be repeated.
Mere trade was clearly not a big enough incentive to keep the oil flowing. So the US embarked on an heavy program of support in the KSA infrastructure, also supplying high tech weaopns that would enmesh their economies completely. The good relation is also maintained by strong diplomatic and business links.
You can read about the process in Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins - who was part of the effort to seduce the princes of SA into a close relationship.
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: USA - Saudi relationship
Check out Condi and the Minister (to the left) checking each other out. Heterosexuals among Republicans and Saudi Royals?!? Unbelievable. _________________ I want to put out the fires of Hell, and burn down the rewards of Paradise. They block the way to God. I do not want to worship from fear of punishment or for the promise of reward, but simply for the love of God. - Rabia
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:34 pm Post subject: Re: USA - Saudi relationship
Damn mekrob, beat me to the punch. Tablecloth Boy's gonna get some oil tanker cooz! _________________ Cogito, ergo non satis bibivi
I'm just gonna find a cash machine.
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:48 pm Post subject: Re: USA - Saudi relationship
For a good understanding of this relationship, Michael Klare's "Blood and Oil" is a good read detailing the history of US support, and why, back to WWII.
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:23 pm Post subject: Re: USA - Saudi relationship
Face it, our country's government is a wolf, a big, BAD wolf in sheep's clothing.
Honor, fidelity and integrity are just a suit jacket they put on when someone they want to scam comes to visit. _________________ "RRrrruuuunnnn!!!" ~Apocalypto
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:20 pm Post subject: Re: USA - Saudi relationship
Kaj wrote:
Mere trade was clearly not a big enough incentive to keep the oil flowing. So the US embarked on an heavy program of support in the KSA infrastructure, also supplying high tech weaopns that would enmesh their economies completely. The good relation is also maintained by strong diplomatic and business links.
So, what does it profit a nation, if it gains oil, and loses its whole soul? Though, some would suggest, it had already been lost by then.
Would it not make a great political platform for a presidential candidate to commit to free the U.S. from these kind of entanglements? They seem to mostly end up badly. Just think, there is a new generation in the KSA who will come to think of the U.S.A. as an ally of despots.
Look what happened in Latin America years go, how the word "American" seemed to be usually followed by "Imperialism". I am pretty sure most Americans don't want that, it would be better to do with a lot less oil. Getting oil at this price is too much, and I am talking here of the impact to the American way. Many years ago, several presidents delineated their view that America should not entangle itself in foreign intrigue, admittedly, that feel out of favor in the 20th century.
It also costs some big money, look at all the military costs incurred in the Middle east, including support of the KSA. It may be that the barrel of oil from Saudi Arabia is no bargain at all, but a curse instead.
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:35 pm Post subject: Re: USA - Saudi relationship
Unless every citizen of the United States comes to an agreement that all can endorse, and rises up against TPTB, there will be no change in the way things are done.
The reality is that "The Dream" died long ago and now the many must suffer the consequences of the actions we allowed the few to make.
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:31 pm Post subject: Re: USA - Saudi relationship
Kaj wrote:
Why does Saudi Arabia have such deep connection with America?
After the 1973 Arab oil Embargo ...
It goes back a half century earlier, the Saud family were desert warlords who were installed in power by the US to facilitate stealing the oil. The Sauds got a bit uppity, but they still need the US protection (racket) to stay alive. The vast majority of "Saudis" whose names aren't "Saud" or "bin Laden" are living at a third world level - a few years ago the govt announced a program to bring electricity to many small towns.
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:29 am Post subject: Re: USA - Saudi relationship
The Bin Laden Family actually comes from Yemen. The video brought back some memories. I was about 600 feet away, in the Royal Saudi Air Force Headquarters, when the bombing they showed went off.
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: USA - Saudi relationship
It works both ways. Allaweed bails out Citibank and then Citi becomes a potent element of the US gov's clandestine operations via money laundering. Allaweed stated on 60 Mins that he would never sell his Citibank stock. He is sticking with it even though it is being used to undermine the position of SA? I don't think the part about using a new Iraq to balance out power against SA is true. I think it is a way to place SA in charge of Iraq but through a confusing trail of relationships. Besides, not to give SA a part of the control wouldn't be good whoring. _________________ "Hope encourages men to take risks; men in a strong position may follow her without ruin, if not without loss. But when they stake all that they have to the last coin (for she is a spendthrift), she reveals her real self in the hour of failure."
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