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pstarr Expert


Joined: Sep 27, 2004 Posts: 7089 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:07 pm Post subject: Re: 13 easy, inexpensive ways to go green |
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If it is easy it is not going to help with peak oil and besides these are mostly electrical issues. PO is a liquid fuel transport issue.
I like the 'Cover the hot tub' item. Hum? Is that to keep post-peak neighbors from boiling the pet retriever? _________________
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Revi Fusion


Joined: Apr 25, 2005 Posts: 3255 Location: Maine
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: 13 easy, inexpensive ways to go green |
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Great ideas!
Sometimes the simplest things save the most energy. We've done almost all of these things, and more and we save over $2650 every year. We also reduced our fossil fuel use by half and are putting half the carbon into the atmosphere.
Here's what we've done:
http://www.msad54.org/sahs/appliedarts/artlofving/Energysav/index.htm |
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Blacksmith Intermediate Crude

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Joined: May 13, 2007 Posts: 612 Location: Athabasca, Alberta
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:43 pm Post subject: Re: 13 easy, inexpensive ways to go green |
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Good suggestions thanks. _________________ Appuis ait fabrum esse suae quemque fortunae.
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anagami Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Jul 26, 2006 Posts: 1675 Location: Sudavasa Abodes
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:52 pm Post subject: Re: 13 easy, inexpensive ways to go green |
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Most solutions are geographical-specific... they should be compiled and organized in categories.
LED lightbulbs are even more efficient and doesn't have mercury... and there are new developments sometimes, recently the white-light LED bulb. _________________ anagami.net |
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BobWallace Heavy Crude


Joined: Oct 01, 2007 Posts: 187
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:27 pm Post subject: Re: 13 easy, inexpensive ways to go green |
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Anyone found reasonably priced LEDs for general home lighting?
Everything that I've found so far is quite expensive.
Well, except for a very nice LED nightlight that turns itself off in daylight for about $2.... ;o) |
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BastardSquad Heavy Crude


Joined: Oct 24, 2004 Posts: 306
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:57 am Post subject: Re: 13 easy, inexpensive ways to go green |
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Ideas "1" and "9" are in direct conflict with one another!
Dimmer switches don't work on CFL's (unless there's been some breakthrough I'm unaware of). _________________ "Switzerland is small and neutral.We need to be more like Germany,ambitious and misunderstood!" Futurama
"As for the dieoff of 5E+09 people - not a problem, so long as I'm not one of them." Jack |
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Revi Fusion


Joined: Apr 25, 2005 Posts: 3255 Location: Maine
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:44 am Post subject: Re: 13 easy, inexpensive ways to go green |
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| HydroLuver wrote: | Revi, great website !!! It gave me a few ideas that I need to look into for my own house.
1) I have a wooded lot and could easily create my own wood temple. I also could add a wood stove.
2) I have not yet done the solar water heater, but I should. There is a local solar company that is advertising about the state and federal tax credits. |
You'll get about a half a cord per acre of woodland per year, sustainably. We just filled the "wood temple" for the season and that's real homeland security. We put a wood stove in with it's own flue, up an outside wall. We have a Jotul 602n which was designed to be put in small spaces. The only drawback is that it takes a 14" stick of wood, and you have to get that cut special, or cut it yourself.
We have had a great time doing the things we've done and now it is really paying off in quality of life and utility bills. |
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SpringCreekFarm Intermediate Crude


Joined: Mar 03, 2006 Posts: 889
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:44 am Post subject: Re: 13 easy, inexpensive ways to go green |
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Troyboy1208 Intermediate Crude


Joined: Apr 26, 2006 Posts: 513 Location: Orlando FL
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:36 am Post subject: Re: 13 easy, inexpensive ways to go green |
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Thanks for saving all that energy! More for me to use  |
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pstarr Expert


Joined: Sep 27, 2004 Posts: 7089 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:13 am Post subject: Re: 13 easy, inexpensive ways to go green |
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HydroLuver, there isn't an entry in this list that I have not considered at length and implemented 10 times over. My entire house has been CFL for 10 years, I have solar hot water and PV on my roof, a Swedish Vestfrost refrigerator/freezer and a German Bosch washing machine. I finish heating my water with an on-demand Bosch water heater connected to my roof panels. My washer and dryers are front-loaders (and shared by my cohousing community.) I built the cohousing community and we share too many facilities to list. It is part of a walkable community. My house temp was set below 60 degrees all the time. That is until I got tired of doing the right thing in lieu of others doing the right thing.
Excuse the cynicism but it is much too late to mitigate peak oil with electrical conservation measures. That would require us divert this saved electricity to a renewable-powered electric transport system. But the infrastructure does not exist and will not in your lifetime. Or in time. _________________
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pstarr Expert


Joined: Sep 27, 2004 Posts: 7089 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:21 am Post subject: Re: 13 easy, inexpensive ways to go green |
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| Troyboy1208 wrote: | Thanks for saving all that energy! More for me to use  | Troyboy, you need creds around here to be a sarcastic sob. What have you personally done? I wash plastic natural food store shopping bags and reuse them. Nah Nah Nah.
HydroLuver, I do applaud everyone's personal efforts to conserve and share this information. However,I must remind you this is not a global warming forum and thus I feel free to react specifically PO issues. Home conservation efforts without a huge paradigm change is pointless. The real work that needs to be done has not even been considered, much less implemented. _________________
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pstarr Expert


Joined: Sep 27, 2004 Posts: 7089 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:56 am Post subject: Re: 13 easy, inexpensive ways to go green |
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| HydroLuver wrote: | | pstarr, you seem to be desperate for a silver bullet to resolve all of your fears related to PO. And without reading about a silver bullet, you appear to want to be negative on many threads that don't resolve your immediate silver bullet demands. | That is quite the ridiculous statement. I listed all the silver BB's I've scattered across this fat land. I have come to understand that increased 'efficiently' and technical 'elegance' within this suburban/automobile system will use up remaining fossil fuels just as fast. Check out Jevon's Paradox.
| HydroLuver wrote: | This is just a thread on conservation and efficiency. And it was posted in the section of the website designated for "conservation and efficiency". That can include heating oil, natural gas, etc which are all used significantly in many households for energy (heating and electricity).
Retract the claws and just allow others to have a thread on "conservation and efficiency". It is not that big of a deal. | No. It is not a big deal. Have a ball  _________________
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yesplease Fission


Joined: Oct 03, 2006 Posts: 2316
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:48 pm Post subject: Re: 13 easy, inexpensive ways to go green |
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| pstarr wrote: | | I have come to understand that increased 'efficiently' and technical 'elegance' within this suburban/automobile system will use up remaining fossil fuels just as fast. Check out Jevon's Paradox. | Jevon's Paradox?
| Quote: | | In economics, the Jevons Paradox is an observation made by William Stanley Jevons, who stated that as technological improvements increase the efficiency with which a resource is used, total consumption of that resource may increase, rather than decrease. It is historically called the Jevons Paradox since it ran counter to Jevons's intuition, but it is well understood by modern economic theory which shows that improved resource efficiency may trigger a change in the overall consumption of that resource. The direction of that change depends on other economic variables. | Since post peak, we can't increase consumption, by virtue of the peak itself, Jevon's Paradox isn't much of a concern since it doesn't apply. The only people who believe Jevon's Paradox will always hold true are cornocopians, since ever increasing resource availability is the only way Jevon's Paradox can always apply. _________________
| Professor Membrane wrote: | | Not now son! I'm making...TOAST! |
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aahala Intermediate Crude


Joined: Feb 03, 2005 Posts: 954
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:43 am Post subject: Re: 13 easy, inexpensive ways to go green |
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This energy saving list that started the thread seems pretty
much what was passing around 15 or 20 years ago.
I mislike the attitude of media that one should merely repeat
someone's else work and continue repeatly inaccuracies. Facts change!
Item (2 -- bleeding or standby loss accounts for 40% of
its electrical useage. This claim was probably never true
generally and a whole lot less likely now than years ago.
The issue was well known by the powers that be and
by the early 1990's the government told the appliance
manufacturers to either fix the issue voluntarily or
government mandates would be applied. Anyway,
appliances since then don't have much standby loss.
Item (4 -- save 40% by buying a water heater blanket.
You are not going to save anything close to 40% if your
heater was already built insulated. Most heaters were required
to be insulated as the result of the 1988 "National Appliance
Energy Conversation Act". The first insulation regulation from
that was 1990.
In your particular case, you MAY have one or both of these
problems but you are fairly likely to have neither. I think it
almost deceptive not to mention this in such a printed list.
(The author probably didn't know better as he used the
copy and paste button. Why waste time checking the facts?)
I also don't like the idea to get greener by saving one third on
your hottub! I have a much easier suggestion, how to save
three thirds. |
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Ludi NeoMaster


Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 12541 Location: zombie horde wonderland
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:57 am Post subject: Re: 13 easy, inexpensive ways to go green |
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Yeah, just not bothering to have a lot of these luxuries is the easiest way to conserve both money and energy. Because of Jevon's paradox, we know that conserving energy, unless you generate your own, probably won't do much good in the big picture, but conserving money by not investing in luxuries like hot tubs and AC can enable one to reduce the need to earn, thus reducing production and consumption on the wider scale. _________________ No original ideas are contained in this post. |
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