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max_power29
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Post subject: Re: OPEC adding high quality crude capacity soon Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 1:19 pm |
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i'll believe that when I actually see it happening.
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holmes
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Post subject: Re: OPEC adding high quality crude capacity soon Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 1:26 pm |
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I am still hoping for 2015 but with the blame game and more o the same My hopes are dwindling. 
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Egon_1
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Post subject: Re: OPEC adding high quality crude capacity soon Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 1:33 pm |
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It would be great except they will be barely (if at all) be keeping up with depletion. I think depletion will take every barrel they could possibly add from here on out. They'll be fighting as hard as they can just to stand still.
Those numbers are not good, not good at all...
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smiley
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Post subject: Re: OPEC adding high quality crude capacity soon Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 2:19 pm |
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Quote: It would be great except they will be barely (if at all) be keeping up with depletion.
The same thought here. Somehow I don't believe that these numbers take depletion into account.
Anyway somewhere between their 78th and 80th false statement on production increases, I kinda stopped taking OPEC quotes seriously.
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wisegoat
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Post subject: Re: OPEC adding high quality crude capacity soon Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 7:24 pm |
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ya right this is stupid.. they first off admit that most of the oil from saud is heavy crude.. i just watched "The end of suburbia" and in it it states that the heavy stuff is at the bottom... saudi=peaking? they wont be online for 18 months.. so does this mean our refiners that can't handle this stuff are gonna have to tough it out for a year and a half?
*runs for the hills*
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shortonoil
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Post subject: Re: OPEC adding high quality crude capacity soon Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 7:34 pm |
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Heavy crude yields about 60% distillates while light crude yields about 90%. So for starters you need 50% more heavy to make up for the depletion in light. You would think that Bloomberg would know something like this. Sounds like more spin to keep the sheep from bolting.
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CARVER
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Post subject: Re: OPEC adding high quality crude capacity soon Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 3:27 am |
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shortonoil wrote: Heavy crude yields about 60% distillates while light crude yields about 90%. So for starters you need 50% more heavy to make up for the depletion in light. You would think that Bloomberg would know something like this. Sounds like more spin to keep the sheep from bolting.
That makes the peak a bit confusing, because what gives the highest yields: 85 mbd (of which say 60% light sweet) or 87 mbd (of which say only 40% light sweet). The latter would raise the demand for oil, even when the demand for oil products stays the same. So we could still see a rise in oil production, while oil products production is in decline. So maybe we should focus on the peak of oil products production, instead of the peak of oil production.
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Post subject: Re: Saudi production - trying to piece together the various Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:30 am |
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...first off....the parts of Ghawar refered to are Ain Dar and Shedgum.
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spartacus
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Post subject: Re: Saudi production - trying to piece together the various Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:41 am |
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Joined: Fri Aug 26, 2005 12:00 am Posts: 60 Location: Somewhere in Saudi Arabia
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...and, as previously noted, Saudi Aramco is wholely Saudi...no American owners (even though they kept the Aramco acronym). If there are reservoir engineers interested in gaining insight into Aramco's fields, then they should approach the Aramco agency in Houston. The company is looking for engineers with significant experience (not management...technical). The expat Aramco life is pretty good, particularly if you have a young family.
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FatherOfTwo
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Post subject: Re: Saudi production - trying to piece together the various Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:28 am |
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Antimatter wrote: Some more here from Dr. Sadad Al-Husseini, recently retired vice president of Saudi Aramco. He was the guy who came out and said the US EIA's estimates of oil supplies a "dangerous overestimate". http://www.saudi-american-forum.org/Newsletters2004/SAF_Item_Of_Interest_2004_05_27.htm(was originally in Oil&Gas Journal, reprinted here.) He does however claim Simmons is wrong: Quote: The supposed inability of Saudi Arabia to meet its production targets in the next few years also requires discussion. At the current depletion rate of 3 billion barrels per year, which represents 2.3 % of the remaining 130 billion barrels of proven developed reserves, this concern is debunked by simple mathematics. Utilizing existing technology and sound engineering analysis, my staff and I were confident that Aramco could sustain even higher rates of production, if necessary. [snip] Quote: Based on these considerations, the Kingdom can certainly increase its production to 15 million barrels per day based on its existing reserves base.
I'm confused. How can he state that the EIA's estimates are a "dangerous overestimate" yet also say that 15mbpd is possible?
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Ming
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Post subject: Re: Saudi production - trying to piece together the various Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:48 am |
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EIA and IAE's estimates go way beyond 15 Mb/d, and assume those quantities can be produced for an indefinite duration...
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FatherOfTwo
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Post subject: Re: Saudi production - trying to piece together the various Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:39 am |
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Ming wrote: EIA and IAE's estimates go way beyond 15 Mb/d, and assume those quantities can be produced for an indefinite duration...
The EIA data I'm looking at shows:
Saudi Arabia :
8.6 (1990) 9.2 (2002) 14.0 (2010) 14.5 (2015) 15.4 (2020) 16.3 (2025)
(available in appendix E at the EIA website)
So, no, that isn't way beyond.
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TonyPrep
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Post subject: Re: Saudi production - trying to piece together the various Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:57 pm |
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In an article here, Al-Husseini says: Quote: You look at the globe and ask, 'Where are the big increments?' and there's hardly anything but Saudi Arabia. The kingdom and Ghawar field are not the problem. That misses the whole point. The problem is that you go from 79 million barrels a day in 2002 to 82.5 in 2003 to 84.5 in 2004. You're leaping by two million to three million a year, and if you have to cover declines, that's another four to five million. That's like a whole new Saudi Arabia every couple of years, it can't be done indefinitely. It's not sustainable.
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FatherOfTwo
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Post subject: Re: Saudi production - trying to piece together the various Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:15 pm |
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TonyPrep wrote: In an article here, Al-Husseini says: Quote: You look at the globe and ask, 'Where are the big increments?' and there's hardly anything but Saudi Arabia. The kingdom and Ghawar field are not the problem. That misses the whole point. The problem is that you go from 79 million barrels a day in 2002 to 82.5 in 2003 to 84.5 in 2004. You're leaping by two million to three million a year, and if you have to cover declines, that's another four to five million. That's like a whole new Saudi Arabia every couple of years, it can't be done indefinitely. It's not sustainable.
Ok fine, obviously it isn't sustainable indefinitely. But let's not infer things in Al-Husseini's statement that aren't there.
Take a read of the link the link that Antimatter gave. In it Al-Husseini states that 15mbpd is easily doable. He also clearly states that whether or not Saudi Arabia can sustain that level for decades depends on multiple factors. So it's possible, but certainly not a given.
I believe what Al-Husseini laughs at are projections which are above 15mbpd in 2030+.
I've been trying to find ASPO's Country Assesment on Saudi Arabia to see where the difference is between what they are saying and what Al-Husseini says... but since the ASP site has moved I can't find it, and the search isn't yielding anything... anyone have it handy?
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khebab
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Post subject: Re: Saudi production - trying to piece together the various Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:34 pm |
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FatherOfTwo wrote: I've been trying to find ASPO's Country Assesment on Saudi Arabia to see where the difference is between what they are saying and what Al-Husseini says... but since the ASP site has moved I can't find it, and the search isn't yielding anything... anyone have it handy?
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