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savethehumans
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:54 pm |
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Just printed off "the whole thing," chargrove; I will read it all later. I can tell you NOW that it won't surprise me: empires have always had their fingers in regional politics/social issues; they do it to make sure they keep, or GET, their influence to be the predominant operating point of said region. It is the less-bloody, more-covert aspect of the (Resource) Wars we fight to retain imperial "superiority" over the rest of the world.
When I read about the uprising, I wondered about what our role in it was; this info will tell me the sordid details, I'm sure. Thank you for alerting us.
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MarioPro
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 11:05 pm |
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[URL=http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=5331]
The Lesson of Kyrgyzstan
 
U.S. to Central Asian leaders: Get with the program, or get on a plane[/URL]
When the Kyrgyz parliament took a critical look at
U.S. military operations in Iraq, and some wondered
aloud whether the U.S. base in their country might
have negative consequences for them, Mr. Kadyrbekov
was quick to warn that Kyrgyzstan ought not to risk
alienating its chief benefactor:
"Kyrgyzstan's position on the Iraq issue may influence Washington's policies, and we might be deprived of financial aid which we cannot do without."
That's a good dog!
Unlike Islam Karimov, the Supreme Leader of Uzbekistan,
who has been gung-ho on the U.S. war effort in Iraq,
President Akayev did not take direction well, or, at least,
not well enough. Akayev was too adept at playing off the
U.S. against Russia and China, and, as one analyst put it
in a 2002 paper:
"It may not be the case that Kyrgyzstan needs the United
States as much as the United States needs Kyrgyzstan.
Kyrgyzstan has credible defense partner alternatives, and
if the United States wants Kyrgyz support for its activities
in the region, there may be limits to the pressure it can
apply for political change."
Except, of course, when it comes to regime change.
But why would the U.S. move to topple the "president"
of this impoverished backwater, a country with no oil, no
abundance of other natural resources (except lots of water),
and one that certainly represents no threat to the mighty
U.S.? Part of the answer may lie in Kyrgyzstan's strategic
position and the future of the U.S. air base, as detailed in
this interesting news story from February:
"Kyrgyz Foreign Minister Askar Aitmatov said yesterday that American AWACS reconnaissance planes will not be deployed at the Ganci air base outside the Kyrgyz capital, Bishkek. Aitmatov made the statement after a trip to Moscow. Some observers say the Kyrgyz government's decision was made to please Russia, with the aim of gaining the Kremlin's support ahead of February 27 parliamentary elections and the presidential election in October."
Source: [URL=http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=5331]
Antiwar.com[/URL] (March 25, 2005)
[URL=http://soj.dailykos.com/story/2005/3/17/15358/3049] This revolution is NOT being televised
 [/URL]
If you want to know why international funding and training
made the Rose (Rep. of Georgia) and Orange (Ukraine)
Revolutions successful, you need to know only one thing
- in today's world, a successful revolution must be televised.
Unfortunately for the people of Kyrgyzstan, the television
cameras from the west are missing. Everything else is in place
- a long-ruling, authoritarian, corrupt leader, rigged elections,
a restless population and demonstrations in the street.
If the world was paying attention, we might be able to get
Kyrgyzstan into the democratic column. Alas...
Source:[URL=http://soj.dailykos.com/story/2005/3/17/15358/3049] Daily KOS[/URL], 16 March 2005
SEE ALSO:
[URL=http://www.newscentralasia.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1091] EARLY WARNING
Orange-Rose Syndrome: Early Symptoms Guide for Central Asia [/URL]
Source:[URL=http://www.newscentralasia.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1091] News Central Asia[/URL], 15 December 2004
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Chicagoan
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 11:18 pm |
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^The story is getting attention though. It was on the front page of the Chicago Tribune. It would not be that bad if the regime did fall though. It is a holdover from the Soviet era. Even if the CIA is involved does not mean the country will become a US lapdog. It seems like it did not work for Ukraine. We will just have to wait and see.
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MarioPro
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 1:37 am |
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Geopolitics at Heart of Kyrgyzstan Unrest
(MosNews, March 23, 2005)
Akayev in Russia - source
Interfax, March 26, 2005
Coup in Kyrgyzstan illegitimate: Putin
AFP / The Peninsula (Qatar), March 26, 2005
Fall of regimes in Central Asia
Khaleej Times Online, March 25, 2005
Putin: Revolution in Kyrgyzstan "was not a surprise" for Russia
Arka (Armenia), March 25, 2005
Kyrgyz Upheaval No Surprise for Russia — Putin
MosNews, March 25, 2005
Putin Names Spin Doctor to Counter CIS Revolutions
MosNews, March 23, 2005
Geopolitics at Heart of Kyrgyzstan Unrest
MosNews, March 23, 2005
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Euric
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Post subject: Re: Secret report of the U.S. Ambassador to Kyrgyz Republic. Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 3:28 pm |
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maverickdoc wrote: http://fairuse.1accesshost.com/news4/kyrgyzletter.jpg
I'm sure this new effort to bring democracy to these countries comes equipped with voter fraud. That is give the people a false vision of democracy by telling them they have a right to vote and offer them competing candidates but behind the scenes assure a candidate loyal to US interests is always the winner.
No wonder the Chinese and Russians are eager to lure the US into a war with Iran or to see the oil currency switch away from the dollar. By such actions in these former Soviet Republics, the is US literally picking a fight with Russia and China. This is not a good sign at all.
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MarioPro
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 3:45 pm |
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Fraudulent Embassy Report Being Distributed
U.S. Embassy in Bishkek, Kyrgyz Republic, wrote: A document attempting to imitate a report of the Embassy of the United States of America in Bishkek is being disseminated via the internet and circulated by government supporters at demonstrations, bazaars, bus stations and in mail boxes. [URL=http://fairuse.1accesshost.com/news4/kabar1.html]Made to appear on U.S. Embassy letterhead and dated December 30, 2004[/URL], the document slanderously misrepresents U.S. policy toward Kyrgyzstan and its election process. It forges the signature of Ambassador Young. This report is a crude fabrication by an individual or individuals who have no association with the United States Government.
The document in no way represents the views of the U.S. Embassy in Bishkek. Our support for democratic development here has been clearly documented in public, and is designed to support the efforts of the people and government of Kyrgyzstan to strengthen democratic institutions in this country. The creation and distribution of this fraudulent document is a disservice to the citizens of Kyrgyzstan and threatens to damage the good relations between the United States and the Kyrgyz Republic. We urge the Kyrgyz authorities to denounce this forgery and take effective steps to disassociate the government from any efforts to distribute it.
Source: [URL=http://bishkek.usembassy.gov/fraudulent_report_new_eng.htm]
U.S. Embassy in Bishkek, Kyrgyz Republic
Press Release (in English)[/URL][URL=http://bishkek.usembassy.gov/fraudulent_report_new_rus.htm]
Press Release (in Russian)[/URL]
March 25, 2005
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Euric
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 4:16 pm |
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MarioPro wrote: chargrove wrote: In an excellent study of the folly of the National Endowment for Democracy, Barbara Conry notes that: "NED, which also has a history of corruption and financial mismanagement, is superfluous at best and often destructive. Through the endowment, the American taxpayer has paid for special-interest groups to harass the duly elected governments of friendly countries, interfere in foreign elections, and foster the corruption of democratic movements...
I doubt the American taxpayer pays for the activities of the NED. American taxes are very low compared to elsewhere in the world because of the US government's relying on the petro-dollar subsidy. In other words, the US is getting the victims of the NED to pay for their own abuse. Like the victim of an execution being made to pay for the bullet used to kill him. Just keep selling those treasuries.
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Euric
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 4:24 pm |
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OOPs! Did a sensitive document get leaked to the pubic and now the US must enact damage control?
MarioPro wrote: Fraudulent Embassy Report Being Distributed U.S. Embassy in Bishkek, Kyrgyz Republic, wrote: A document attempting to imitate a report of the Embassy of the United States of America in Bishkek is being disseminated via the internet and circulated by government supporters at demonstrations, bazaars, bus stations and in mail boxes. [URL=http://fairuse.1accesshost.com/news4/kabar1.html]Made to appear on U.S. Embassy letterhead and dated December 30, 2004[/URL], the document slanderously misrepresents U.S. policy toward Kyrgyzstan and its election process. It forges the signature of Ambassador Young. This report is a crude fabrication by an individual or individuals who have no association with the United States Government.
The document in no way represents the views of the U.S. Embassy in Bishkek. Our support for democratic development here has been clearly documented in public, and is designed to support the efforts of the people and government of Kyrgyzstan to strengthen democratic institutions in this country. The creation and distribution of this fraudulent document is a disservice to the citizens of Kyrgyzstan and threatens to damage the good relations between the United States and the Kyrgyz Republic. We urge the Kyrgyz authorities to denounce this forgery and take effective steps to disassociate the government from any efforts to distribute it. Source: [URL=http://bishkek.usembassy.gov/fraudulent_report_new_eng.htm] U.S. Embassy in Bishkek, Kyrgyz Republic Press Release (in English)[/URL][URL=http://bishkek.usembassy.gov/fraudulent_report_new_rus.htm] Press Release (in Russian)[/URL] March 25, 2005
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MarioPro
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 5:51 pm |
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We have two questions here (both claimed in
the U.S. Embassy Press Release)
one should consider separately:
 
  [ 1] Was this "secret report" itself a fraudulent one;
  [ 2] Does it (no matter fraudulent or not) misrepresents U.S. policy
toward Kyrgyzstan and its election process.
Aside the discussion whether the document (mis)represents U.S. policy toward Kyrgyzstan and its election process, the "Report" in question could be a fraudulent one too.
But if forged, it wasn't done amateurish, although the signature
(the autograph) of the U.S. Ambassador Steven. M. Young
could be found on internet and recycled for this purpose
(e.g. see his signature at this letter, when Steven. M. Young was
the Director of the Office of Chinese and Mongolian Affairs).
But, of course, even personal autographs might undergo certain
changes as time goes by, and "individual or individuals" would
know that a recent document must have the latest version of
the Ambassador's autograph. The samples of recent documents
signed by Steven. M. Young could be in the possession of unknown
number of Kyrgyz Republic officials as well as of diplomats and other
officials of the embassies in the Kyrgyz Republic, not to mention
the domestic and/or foreign intelligence agencies...
So, as I said above, aside the discussion whether the document
(mis)represents U.S. policy toward Kyrgyzstan and its election
process, remember that the old Cold War is still yet very lively one.
MarioPro 
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savethehumans
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 12:12 am |
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Indeed, methinks they protest too much....
That's one heck of a fraud, if a fraud it is. Perfect diplomat-speak in the thing. And puts the U.S. in a "we will overcome the forces of evil" position. Without interfering, of course....
This document is the real think, IMHO. And they'll see to it that we can NEVER prove it!
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stu
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 6:49 am |
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KYRGYZ, RUSSIAN OFFICIALS MULL MILITARY BASE POSSIBILITY IN SOUTHERN KYRGYZSTAN
Quote: Russia may raise its strategic profile in Central Asia following the recent unrest in Uzbekistan. Speculation has mounted over the last week that Moscow could establish a base in Kyrgyzstan’s southern capital at Osh, situated at the eastern end of the Ferghana Valley.
Kyrgyzstan is already home to two foreign air bases ?a Russian facility at Kant and an American installation at Manas, both outside the capital Bishkek
China May Consider Sending Troops to Kyrgyzstan — PaperQuote: China may “seriously consider” sending its troops to Kyrgyzstan, the Huaxia Shibao newspaper reported on Tuesday, citing Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao.
Kyrgyz acting president Kurmanbek Bakiyev said earlier this month that he would authorize the deployment of troops of the Russia-led Collective Security Treaty Organization, and those of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization in his country, Chinese media have reported
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stu
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:15 am |
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LAWLESSNESS GROWS IN KYRGYZSTAN AS PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION LOOMS
Quote: Lawlessness and political confusion are building in Kyrgyzstan as the Central Asian nation prepares for a special presidential election.
In the latest spasm of violence, a riot in the southern city of Osh left at least two people injured on June 13. The trouble began when a group of several hundred men armed with clubs and other weapons gathered outside a hotel, located in central Osh, belonging to Bayaman Erkinbayev, a local businessman who is also a member of parliament. When the mob tried to storm the hotel, security guards opened fire. Local authorities were still trying to firmly establish the motive for the attack. Political analysts in Bishkek say Erkinbayev is widely suspected of involvement in illicit business activity in southern Kyrgyzstan, adding that the incident could have criminal connections. Erkinbayev was slightly wounded during a late April assassination attempt.
Seven candidates registered in Kyrgyzstan for pres electionsQuote: Registration of candidates for the presidential elections due on July 10 ended in Kyrgyzstan on Monday.
The registered candidates are current Prime Minister and Acting President Kurmanbek Bakiyev, human rights commissioner Tursunbai Bakir uulu, ex-governor of the Issyk-Kul and Dzhalal-Abad regions Dzhusupbek Sharipov, leader of the Justice public association and former interior minister Keneshbek Dushebayev, leader of the political party Democratic Movement of Kyrgyzstan Zhapar Dzheksheyev, leader of the Association of Non-Government and Non-Commercial Organisations Toktoim Umetaliyev and President of the Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs Akbaraly Aitikeyev.
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stu
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:19 am |
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U.S. to help build democratic society in Kyrgyzstan
Quote: The United States will continue to support Kyrgyzstan's steps aimed at building a democratic society, the Kyrgyz Foreign Ministry press service told Interfax on Wednesday.
Uzbek refugees in Kyrgyzstan incite a conflictQuote: Seventy or so representative of general public including aksakals (elders) and deputies of the Suzak local Kenesh (council) visited the camp of Uzbek refugees on May 14. The Suzak district is located on the territory of the Dzhalalabad region of Kyrgyzstan, the camp in the Sho-Bulak area (Bazakorgon district of the same region).
The enraged aksakals told refugee leaders to vacate the camp and leave Kyrgyzstan altogether in three days, threatening to bring thousands with them and oust refugees by sheer strength of numbers otherwise. Blows were exchanged. Executive of the international organization who tried to stop the locals and asked them to leave was assaulted and beaten.
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stu
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:35 am |
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Tulip Revolution Will Keep Kyrgyzstan Democratic, Foreign Minister Says
Quote: Kyrgyzstan's acting foreign minister, Roza Otunbayeva, compared her country's March 24 Tulip Revolution to those of other former Soviet republics and said the country remains a democracy.
Align With Democrats in Central AsiaQuote: Just a few months ago the United States seemed to have few choices in the strategically important Muslim countries of Central Asia. All were ruled by undemocratic regimes, placing them at odds with President Bush's freedom policy, but several nevertheless were emerging as key partners of the Pentagon, both in support of operations in nearby Afghanistan and as potential locations for long-term U.S. bases. The administration's response to this dilemma was to embrace schizophrenia: The State Department criticized the Central Asian despots even as the Defense Department embraced them.
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stu
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 7:43 am |
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Kyrgyzstan Struggles to Maintain Stability Ahead of Key Elections
Quote: Moscow (CNSNews.com) - Tensions are running high in Kyrgyzstan ahead of the July 10 presidential election, with recent riots in the capital, Bishkek, showing the fragility of the democratic process in the Central Asian nation.
A former speaker of Kyrgyzstan's parliament, Mukar Cholponbayev, has been arrested for his alleged role in last week's riots Kyrgyzstan to question ex-presidentQuote: Kyrgyzstani investigators are visiting Moscow today, hoping to extract information from the former president of Kyrgyzstan about whether he played a role in an uprising that the government is calling an attempted counter-revolution ETHNIC CONFLICT SIMMERS IN SOUTHERN KYRGYZSTANQuote: Southern Kyrgyzstan is a potentially explosive region. About one-third of the population is comprised of ethnic Uzbeks. So far, resident Uzbeks have generally stayed away from the Kyrgyz political revolution. Almost all the protesters who took part in the March disturbances in southern Kyrgyzstan were ethnic Kyrgyz. However, many poorly educated local Uzbeks suspect that the opposition is also driven by nationalism. According to the fergana.ru website, participants in the Jalalabad demonstration shouted insults against Uzbeks and Kyrgyz. The Uzbeks accused the Kyrgyz of destabilizing the situation in Kyrgyzstan, while the protesters blamed the Uzbeks for supporting the regime of President Akayev
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