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KevO
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Post subject: THE "Attack Iran" Thread pt 3 (merged) Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:05 am |
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Quote: Several top commanders in Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards have been killed in a suicide bombing in the volatile south-east of the country. Iranian interior ministry said 29 people died in the attack, in the Pishin region of Sistan-Baluchistan, and at least 28 were injured. Shia and Sunni tribal leaders were also killed. A Sunni resistance group, Jandullah, said they carried it out. Parliament Speaker Ali Larijani said "US action" contributed to the attack. link
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biofuel13
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Post subject: Re: Have the US just attacked Iran? Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:16 am |
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Quote: Several top commanders in Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards have been killed in a suicide bombing in the volatile south-east of the country. Iranian interior ministry said 29 people died in the attack, in the Pishin region of Sistan-Baluchistan, and at least 28 were injured. Yikes! This is not the kind of news I like to wake up to on a Sunday morning. Are we softening the target before we come in for the kill shot? Seems like it.
_________________ "With man gone will there be hope for gorilla? With gorilla gone will there be hope for man?" --Ishmael by D. Quinn
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mcgowanjm
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Post subject: Re: Have the US just attacked Iran? Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:29 am |
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Yes. And Sanctions are always the prelude to attack. And this is also the only declaration of war you will get. Iran Ready For Gasoline Sanction: Oil Minister Sep 17, 2009 ... Islamic Republic of Iran News Network quoted Mirkazemi as saying that, “We have stocked relatively enough gasoline and also we have signed ... www.turkishweekly.net/news/.../iran-rea ... ister.html - Cached - Similar - US Senate Approves Iran Gasoline Sanctions Oct 16, 2009 ... Breaking News Articles. US Senate Approves Iran Gasoline Sanctions · Israel Urges Friends To Oppose Goldstone Report · Hillary Fails To ... www.eagleworldnews.com/.../us-senate-ap ... sanctions/ - Cached - Similar - Chaosistan here we come.
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ian807
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Post subject: Re: Have the US just attacked Iran? Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:46 am |
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Given the results of the last election, the odds favor this being an internal Iranian incident, having nothing to do with the USA. Suicide bombing isn't the USA's style. We'd have lobbed a bomb or two from a fighter jet or drone, or gone with sanctions, or had the CIA shoot someone.
That said, it's still not good. You don't want political instability in a major oil-producing country. It's certainly not in US interests, or anyone Else's.
Crap. This is not good.
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mcgowanjm
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Post subject: Re: Have the US just attacked Iran? Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:55 am |
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Suicide Bombing isn't the USA's style?
Yeah, I guess you're right. We pay the stooge to do it. Farm it out, so to speak.
# ABC News Exclusive: The Secret War Against Iran - The Blotter Apr 3, 2007 ... U.S. officials say the U.S. relationship with Jundullah is arranged so that the U.S. provides no funding to the group, which would require ... blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/.../abc_news_exclus.html - Cached - Similar - # Pakistan May Turn Over U.S. 'Spies' to Iran - ABC News May 23, 2008 ... Iran claims the militant group, Jundullah, led by Abdel Malik Regi, ... Naked, Sore, Bruised and Bleeding: Alleged U.S. Contractor Rape ... abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4913927&page=1&page=1 - Similar - # Saudis and CIA back Khalid Sheikh Mohammad's Jundullah in Pakistan ... In July 2008, Pakistan's former Army Chief, General Mirza Aslam Baig, said Jundullah is the main recipient of US financial and military aid. ... pakalert.wordpress.com/.../saudis-and-cia-back-khalid-sheikh-mohammads-jundullah-in-pakistan-and-iran/ - Cached - Similar -
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mos6507
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Post subject: Re: Have the US just attacked Iran? Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:45 am |
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I'd say Iran is getting some of its own medicine. Same deal with Pakistan. Pots are calling the kettle black everywhere.
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eXpat
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Post subject: Re: Have the US just attacked Iran? Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:06 am |
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Mossad ??
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mcgowanjm
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Post subject: Re: Have the US just attacked Iran? Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:13 am |
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Quote: Mossad?? That's the trouble with waging war by deception. You're always on the suspect list. Quote: The Federal Reserve reported that as of June 30, 2009 total U.S. debt was $52.8 trillion. Total U.S. debt includes government, corporate and consumer debt. Importantly, however, it does not include a few trillion in "off balance sheet" financing, contingent unfunded pension plans for corporate and state and local governments, or unfunded liabilities of the U.S. government for such items as Medicare, Social Security and other programs. Currently GDP stands at $14.2 trillion, so there is approximately $3.73 in debt for every dollar of output in the United States, a level unprecedented in our history This isn't a financial crisis, it's a political crisis. It takes the attacking nation/state a while to gear up. But we're there. Default and War. Lock and Load.
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mcgowanjm
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Post subject: Re: Have the US just attacked Iran? Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:20 am |
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See, here's the problem. you've all seen Tom Cruise in Operation Valkyrie. And how it took less than 5 hours to figure out who brought in the bomb and the organization funding it: At least five senior commanders of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards' are among about 30 people who have been killed in an attack in southeastern Iran.
The suicide bombing, which occurred early on Sunday morning in the city of Pisheen, in Sistan-Baluchestan province, wounded another 40 people, according to the state news agency. General Nourali Shoushtari, the head of the Revolutionary Guards' armed forces, and General Mohammadzadeh, the Guard's commander in Sistan-Baluchestan, were killed.
The attack, the deadliest attack in Iran in recent years, occurred as officers were preparing to stage a meeting between locals from Shia and Sunni communities. And of course the speed of this story. Like that Beslan Video that got out w/in days.
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dorlomin
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Post subject: Re: Have the US just attacked Iran? Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:31 am |
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The US does fund a number of groups that are causing grief in Iran including Kurdish seperatists and Sunni religious groups. This lot are on the other side, they are ethnic Balochis who are also engaged in an insurgencyin Pakistan. US, Israel and Saudi would be amoung the most likely foriegn benifactors of this group but I dont have anything solid on it.
The word is that the attack happened because the Iranians were engaging in a reconcilliation down thre and the more extreme groups are trying to derail that.
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mcgowanjm
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Post subject: Re: Has the US just attacked Iran? Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:30 am |
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Quote: The US does fund a number of groups that are causing grief in Iran including Kurdish seperatists and Sunni religious groups. This lot are on the other side, they are ethnic Balochis who are also engaged in an insurgencyin Pakistan. US, Israel and Saudi would be amoung the most likely foriegn benifactors of this group but I dont have anything solid on it.
The word is that the attack happened because the Iranians were engaging in a reconcilliation down thre and the more extreme groups are trying to derail that. The best the Empire can do. We can't control it, you won't either. Problem: Periphery can live on less. Core not so much. See Chaosistan for details Quote: "As oil revenues were going down, City revenues were going to take their place, but then all of a sudden City revenues have disappeared," said John Curtice, politics professor at Strathclyde University.
"It's part of the backdrop to the financial crisis -- we have to find other sources of revenue."
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dorlomin
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Post subject: Re: Has the US just attacked Iran? Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:37 am |
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mcgowanjm wrote: Quote: The US does fund a number of groups that are causing grief in Iran including Kurdish seperatists and Sunni religious groups. This lot are on the other side, they are ethnic Balochis who are also engaged in an insurgencyin Pakistan. US, Israel and Saudi would be amoung the most likely foriegn benifactors of this group but I dont have anything solid on it.
The word is that the attack happened because the Iranians were engaging in a reconcilliation down thre and the more extreme groups are trying to derail that. The best the Empire can do. We can't control it, you won't either. Problem: Periphery can live on less. Core not so much. I dont think it is indicative of the US's weakness, the use of proxies in the Gulf region is as old as written history. The US has been doing it since it became involved substantialy in the 40s. The Brits were past masters at playing games in the region, doing Empire on the cheap. They famously brought down the Ottomans with the aid of an Arab guerrilla insurgency that was being used as a proxy but they had been playing the Shieks and princes of the region off against each other since they floated into the region chasing the Spice the Portuguse had been trading. It was ever thus.
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Carlhole
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Post subject: Re: THE "Attack Iran" Thread pt 2 (merged) Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:04 pm |
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The Devil We Know: Dealing with the New Iranian Superpower By Robert BaerQuote: Book overview Over the past thirty years, while the United States has turned either a blind or dismissive eye, Iran has emerged as a nation every bit as capable of altering America’s destiny as traditional superpowers Russia and China. Indeed, one of this book’s central arguments is that, in some ways, Iran’s grip on America’s future is even tighter.
As ex–CIA operative Robert Baer masterfully shows, Iran has maneuvered itself into the elite superpower ranks by exploiting Americans’ false perceptions of what Iran is—by letting us believe it is a country run by scowling religious fanatics, too preoccupied with theocratic jostling and terrorist agendas to strengthen its political and economic foundations.
The reality is much more frightening—and yet contained in the potential catastrophe is an implicit political response that, if we’re bold enough to adopt it, could avert disaster.
Baer’s on-the-ground sleuthing and interviews with key Middle East players—everyone from an Iranian ayatollah to the king of Bahrain to the head of Israel’s internal security—paint a picture of the centuries-old Shia nation that is starkly the opposite of the one normally drawn. For example, Iran’s hate-spouting President Ahmadinejad is by no means the true spokesman for Iranian foreign policy, nor is Iran making it the highest priority to become a nuclear player.
Even so, Baer has discovered that Iran is currently engaged in a soft takeover of the Middle East, that the proxy method of war-making and co-option it perfected with Hezbollah in Lebanon is being exported throughout the region, that Iran now controls a significant portion of Iraq, that it is extending its influence over Jordan and Egypt, that the Arab Emirates and other Gulf States are being pulled into its sphere, and that it will shortly have a firm hold on the world’s oil spigot.
By mixing anecdotes with information gleaned from clandestine sources, Baer superbly demonstrates that Iran, far from being a wild-eyed rogue state, is a rational actor—one skilled in the game of nations and so effective at thwarting perceived Western colonialism that even rival Sunnis relish fighting under its banner.
For U.S. policy makers, the choices have narrowed: either cede the world’s most important energy corridors to a nation that can match us militarily with its asymmetric capabilities (which include the use of suicide bombers)—or deal with the devil we know. We might just find that in allying with Iran, we’ll have increased not just our own security but that of all Middle East nations.The alternative—to continue goading Iran into establishing hegemony over the Muslim world—is too chilling to contemplate. I just finished this book and highly recommend it. What a tour de force of Middle East explication and common sense it truly is! Baer shows how Iran learned critical military lessons in Lebanon from the early '80's onwards, ie. the use of proxies, asymmetric warfare, moving away from purely terrorist activities and emerging as a calculating military and economic hegemon . Iran has used these lessons very successfully in permeating and controlling just about every volatile part of the Middle East with patience, flexibility, facility and wisdom. It is very much the polar opposite of the blundering United States in this regard. (Patience and wisdom we are NOT known for). I can't do Baer's book justice here. Seems like everyone who has contributed to the "Attack Iran" thread ought to read this one because it would seem that just about everyone here is using antiquated ideas about what exactly Iran is as a country and how it is operating in the region. Once you do, you'll see just how silly it is to even suggest the reasonable possibility of an "attack". I would bet that Barack Obama has read this book. I'd also bet that talks with Iran will begin once our pressing domestic issues have been dealt with.I imagine that the Obama Administration's long consideration of what to do in Afghanistan has been highly influenced by the kind of analysis that Baer presents on Iran. If you can't be bothered to inform yourself by reading this excellent analysis, at least check out the Epilogue section at the Google Books link. Baer outlines about 15 points that the US ought to implement in future talks with Iran. He includes a quick proposal as to how Iraq, the Palestinian territories and other parts of the ME ought to be re-drawn.
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