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DantesPeak
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Post subject: Re: Iran- Latest News Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:23 am |
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Quote: US storms Iran consulate in Arbil US troops arrested five staff members at the Iranian consulate in Arbil, northern Iraq [EPA]
US forces, backed by helicopters, have raided the Iranian consulate's offices in Arbil, the Kurdish capital in northern Iraq. A number of arrests were made and computers and documents seized during Thursday's raids. An Iranian foreign ministry official said US troops arrested five staff members, including diplomats and staff. Mohammad Ali Hosseini, the Iranian foreign ministry spokesman condemned the raid and said it was a violation of international law. "There is no justification for this behaviour of the Americans, particularly because Iraqi officials were not informed about this move."
Mohammad Ali Hosseini, Iranian foreign ministry spokesman "The activity of all those people at our office in Arbil was legal and was in co-operation with, and had the approval of, the Iraqi side," Hosseini told Iran's state-owned Arabic language satellite channel Al-Alam. "There is no justification for this behaviour of the Americans, particularly because Iraqi officials were not informed about this move," he added.
Al Jazeera
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Revi
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Post subject: Re: Iran- Latest News Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:42 am |
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What's going on? Is Bush trying to widen the war to justify sending more troops in? It seems like taking another country's consulate is a very provocative act. What was the point? They may have been doing things, but I doubt that we will strengthen our position with this act, unless the point is to draw Iran into open war.
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J-Rod
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Post subject: Re: Iran- Latest News Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:19 pm |
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I fear that might indeed be the reason, Revi. It doesn't make any sense at all as a form of intimidation, it does however seem to make more sense if you view it as an act of provocation. I am getting a bad feeling about the course of action, and the inability of an opposition congress to stop the machine.
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Micki
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Post subject: Re: Iran- Latest News Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:23 pm |
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Doesn't this technically constitute an act of war?
Military forces invaiding a foreign country's soil.
The US has gone very blatant in their behaviour.
To me this suggests some level of desperation.
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Peakprepper
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Post subject: Re: Iran- Latest News Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:31 pm |
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"Is Bush trying to widen the war to justify sending more troops in?"
Invert your question:
"Are the 20k+ extra troops being deployed to the ME going to be used to widen the war?"
Iraq may well soon become yesterday's theatre.
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spear
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Post subject: Re: Iran- Latest News Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:35 am |
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Its not an act of war yet,but it is a hostile act on another nations ground.Its very likely the Iranians didnt anticipate that move.
Why?Because its the exact way the Muslims fight.Unorthodox.
Guerrila war.Terrorist.
Tehran is busy today.
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seahorse2
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Post subject: Re: Iran- Latest News Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:15 pm |
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Another article on the US attempt to financially strangle Iran.
In the end, as this article alludes, it seems it will be a "self-fullfilling prophecy" in that the more we pressure Iran, the more we align Iran with Russia and China, strengthening their bonds.
Here's the link:
Strangle Iran
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seahorse2
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Post subject: Re: Iran- Latest News Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:24 pm |
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Russian Admiral says presence of numerous US subs in Gulf indicates a plan to attack Iran.
Russian Admiral
Military analyst also sees US making preparations for war with Iran, by attacking Iranian Embassy, moving patriot missiles into region, and moving another carrier into region.
Military Analyst
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Revi
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Post subject: Re: Iran- Latest News Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:51 pm |
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It sounds like we're sending more troops in whether the American people want it or not. He's the decider. "You can't run a war by committee". We're going ahead with the "surge" according to Bush and Cheney. Here's an article about it. Lots of interesting references to Iran and Syria.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16624979/
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Scactha
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Post subject: Re: Iran Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:58 am |
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savethehumans wrote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Published on 7 Mar 2005 by MuseLetter.com. Archived on 7 Mar 2005.
Onward to Iran by Richard Heinberg MuseLetter 155 (March 2005)
Iran has spent the past few years cementing economic and military ties with Russia, China, and the EU, and such efforts have intensified dramatically within past weeks. These nations, to varying degrees, view the US as a superpower that has outlived much of its usefulness to the rest of the world. The US is now a liability in many respects: its immense national debt and trade deficits weigh down the global economy; its profligate consumption of resources leaves less to go around for other nations; its refusal to sign the Kyoto accord ensures a century of environmental collapse; and its arrogant militarism serves to undermine any hopes for cooperative solutions to future contests over dwindling resources. No government wants to take on the US militarily. But Washington appears determined to control the chokepoints of global resource flows. Thus the leaders of China, Russia - and to a lesser extent even those of the EU - would in their own view be acting in self-defense by drawing a line in the sand around Iran.
My emphasis
I belive this is the crucial change since the fall of the Soviet Union that USA fails to understand. The world is turning away from america just for this reason and thus there is no longer a reason to praise the emperors new clothes. Yet so many fail to recognize this and, unfortunately, most of all the so called neocons.
Bush is de facto the Emperor of the Green Zone. To what point? Yes, the Iraqi oil infrastructure is in shambles and antiquitated thus needing investment from the outside but there is no chance the kind of puppet regime scenario will ever materialise that the neocons envision. It“s time to start dealing. Attack Iran? Whatever happened to empirical studies? Isn“t one failed major oil producer enough?
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Post subject: Re: Iran- Latest News Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:37 am |
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U.S. plans envision broad attack on Iran: analyst
Quote: WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. contingency planning for military action against Iran's nuclear program goes beyond limited strikes and would effectively unleash a war against the country, a former U.S. intelligence analyst said on Friday. "I've seen some of the planning ... You're not talking about a surgical strike," said Wayne White, who was a top Middle East analyst for the State Department's bureau of intelligence and research until March 2005.
"You're talking about a war against Iran" that likely would destabilize the Middle East for years, White told the Middle East Policy Council, a Washington think tank.
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Somehow I have the feeling that we will listen to the "attack on Iran is imminent" theme our whole lifetime. This has to be the most announced war in history...
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Tuike
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Post subject: Re: Iran- Latest News Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:05 pm |
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Telegraph: N Korea helping Iran with nuclear testing
Telegraph wrote: North Korea is helping Iran to prepare an underground nuclear test similar to the one Pyongyang carried out last year.
Under the terms of a new understanding between the two countries, the North Koreans have agreed to share all the data and information they received from their successful test last October with Teheran's nuclear scientists.
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Post subject: Re: Iran- Latest News Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:09 pm |
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Very good timeline of the conflict with Iran, starting in 2000 - already then it was perfectly clear to the protagonists that the real issue is not WMD but military dominance of the region, which is of course due to energy:
"Rebuilding Americas Defenses":
Quote: "The United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security. While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein."
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/Timel ... _0125.html
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seahorse2
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Post subject: Re: Iran- Latest News Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:43 pm |
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Interesting article linked above by the "Telegraph UK." I'm not familiar with this source. Can someone tell me what kind of news source this is? What's its reputation? What's its political bent?
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Dreamtwister
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Post subject: Re: Iran- Latest News Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:09 pm |
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seahorse2 wrote: Interesting article linked above by the "Telegraph UK." I'm not familiar with this source. Can someone tell me what kind of news source this is? What's its reputation? What's its political bent?
They are a pretty widely circulated paper. I've seen their articles linked here on several occasions.
I don't really know enough about British politics to comment on their bias domestically, but they have been reasonably balanced and consistent on international affairs. For example, I found this article about North Sea production. It took a typically optimistic tone, but it didn't come across as the blatant fantasy piece that we are used to in North America.
Overall, if Tony Snow is a 0 in credibility and first-hand knowlege is a 10, I'd give these guys about a 6. Not bad for a mainstream news source.
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