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The Wisdom Of The Dark Emotions

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I was brought to the practice of mindfulness more than two decades ago by the death of my first child. Aaron died two months after he was born, never having left the hospital. Shortly after that, a friend introduced me to a teacher from whom I learned the basics of Vipassana meditation: how to breathe mindfully and meditate with “choiceless” awareness. I remember attending a dharma talk in a room full of fifty meditators. The teacher spoke about the Four Noble Truths. Life is inherently unsatisfactory, he said. The ego’s restless desires are no sooner fulfilled than they find new objects. Craving and aversion breed suffering. One of his examples was waiting in line for a movie and then not getting in.

I asked: “But what if you’re not suffering because of some trivial attachment? What if it’s about something significant, like death? What if you’re grieving because your baby was born with brain damage and died before he had a chance to live?” I wept openly, expecting that there, of all places, my tears would be accepted.

The teacher asked, “How long has your son been dead?” When I told him it had been two months, his response was swift: “Well then, that’s in the past now, isn’t it? It’s time to let go of the past and live in the present moment.”

I felt reprimanded for feeling sad about my son’s death. The teacher’s response baffled me. Live in the present? My present was suffused with a wrenching sorrow—a hole in my heart that bled daily. But the present moment, as he conceived of it, could be cleanly sliced away from and inured against this messy pain. Divested of grief, an emotionally sanitized “present moment” was served up as an antidote for my tears. However well meaning, the message was clear: Stop grieving. Get over it. Move on.

This is a familiar message. Its unintended emotional intolerance often greets those who grieve, especially if they do so openly. I call this kind of intolerance “emotion-phobia”: a pervasive fear and reflexive avoidance of difficult emotions in oneself and/or others. This is accompanied by a set of unquestioned normative beliefs about the “negativity” of painful feelings.

Emotion-phobia is endemic to our culture and perhaps to patriarchal culture in general. You’ll find it in sub-cultures as different as spiritual retreats, popular self-help books and psychiatric manuals. In fact, my teacher’s supposedly Buddhist response was very much in line with the prevailing psychiatric view of grief. According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual IV (the “bible” of psychiatry), the patient who is grieving a death is allotted two months for “symptoms” such as sadness, insomnia and loss of appetite before being diagnosable with a “Major Depressive Disorder.” Grief, perhaps the most inevitable of all human emotions, given the unalterable fact of mortality, is seen as an illness if it goes on too long. But how much is too long? My mother, a Holocaust survivor, grieved actively for the first decade of my life. Was this too long a grief for genocide? Time frames for our emotions are nothing if not arbitrary, but appearing in a diagnostic and statistical manual, they attain the ring of truth. The two month limit is one of many examples of institutional psychiatry’s emotion-phobia.

Emotions like grief, fear and despair are as much a part of the human condition as love, awe and joy. They are our natural and inevitable responses to existence, so long as loss, vulnerability and violence come with the territory of being human. These are the dark emotions, but by dark, I don’t mean that they are bad, unwholesome or pathological. I mean that as a culture we have kept these emotions in the dark—shameful, secret and unseen.

Emotion-phobia dissociates us from the energies of these emotions and tells us they are untrustworthy, dangerous and destructive. Like other traits our culture distrusts and devalues—vulnerability, for instance, and dependence—emotionality is associated with weakness, women and children. We tend to regard these painful emotions as signs of psychological fragility, mental disorder or spiritual defect. We suppress, intellectualize, judge or deny them. We may use our spiritual beliefs or practices to bypass their reality.

Few of us learn how to experience the dark emotions fully—in the body, with awareness—so we end up experiencing their energies in displaced, neurotic or dangerous forms. We act out impulsively. We become addicted to a variety of substances and/or activities. We become depressed, anxious or emotionally numb, and aborted dark emotions are at the root of these characteristic psychological disorders of our time. But it’s not the emotions themselves that are the problem; it’s our inability to bear them mindfully.

Every dark emotion has a value and purpose. There are no negative emotions; there are only negative attitudes towards emotions we don’t like and can’t tolerate, and the negative consequences of denying them. The emotions we call “negative” are energies that get our attention, ask for expression, transmit information and impel action. Grief tells us that we are all interconnected in the web of life, and that what connects us also breaks our hearts. Fear alerts us to protect and sustain life. Despair asks us to grieve our losses, to examine and transform the meaning of our lives, to repair our broken souls. Each of these emotions is purposeful and useful—if we know how to listen to them.

But if grief is barely tolerated in our culture, even less are fear and despair. The fact is we are all afraid and act as if we’re not. We fear the sheer vulnerability of existence; we fear its unpredictability. When we are unable to feel our fear mindfully, we turn it into anger, psychosomatic ailments or a host of “anxiety disorders”—displacements of fears we can’t feel or name.

According to experts, some 50 million people in this country suffer from phobias at some point in their lives, and millions more are diagnosed with other anxiety disorders. One reason is that we’ve lost touch with the actual experience of primal, natural fear. When fear is numbed, we learn little about what it’s for—its inherent usefulness as an alarm system that we ignore at our peril. Benumbed fear is especially dangerous when it becomes an unconscious source of vengeance, violence and other destructive acts. We see this acted out on the world stage as much as in the individual psyche.

As for despair, how many among us have not experienced periods of feeling empty, desolate, hopeless, brooding over the darkness in our world? This is the landscape of despair. Judging from my thirty years of experience as a psychotherapist, I would say that despair is common, yet we don’t speak of despair anymore. We speak of clinical depression, serotonin-deficiency, biochemical disorder and the new selective serotonin-reuptake inhibitors. We treat the “illness” with a host of new medications. In my view, “depression” is the word we use in our highly medicalized culture for a condition of chronic despair—despair that is stuck in the body and toxified by our inability to bear it mindfully. When we think of all despair as a mental disorder or a biochemical illness, we miss the spiritual metamorphosis to which it calls us.

In retrospect, a more helpful answer from my meditation teacher (and one more in line with the Buddha’s teachings) might have been, If you are grieving, do so mindfully. Pay attention to your grief. Stop and listen to it. Befriend it and let it be. The dark emotions are profound but challenging spiritual teachers, like the Zen master who whacks you until you develop patience and spiritual discipline. When grief shattered my heart after Aaron’s death, that brought with it an expansion, the beginning of my experience of a Self larger than my broken ego. Grieving mindfully—without recourse to suppression, intellectualization or religious dogmatism—made me a happier person than I’d ever been.

What I learned by listening closely to grief was a transformational process I call “the alchemy of the dark emotions.” Many years after Aaron’s death, after a second radiantly healthy child and a third who was born with a mysterious neuromotor disorder, I began to write about these alchemies—from grief to gratitude, fear to joy, and despair to faith—that I had experienced in my own life and witnessed countless times in my work as a psychotherapist.

The alchemy of the dark emotions is a process that cannot be forced, but it can be encouraged by cultivating certain basic emotional skills. The three basic skills are attending to, befriending and surrendering to emotions that make us uncomfortable. Attending to our dark emotions is not just noticing a feeling and then distancing ourselves from it. It’s about being mindful of emotions as bodily sensations and experiencing them fully. Befriending emotion is how we extend our emotional attention spans. Once again, this is a body-friendly process—getting into the body, not away from it into our thoughts. At the least, it’s a process of becoming aware of how our thoughts both trigger emotions and take us away from them. Similarly, surrender is not about letting go but about letting be. When you are open to your heart’s pain and to your body’s experience of it, emotions flow in the direction of greater healing, balance and harmony.

Attending to, befriending and surrendering to grief, we are surprised to discover a profound gratitude for life. Attending to, befriending and surrendering to fear, we find the courage to open to our vulnerability and we are released into the joy of knowing that we can live with and use our fear wisely. Attending to, befriending and surrendering to despair, we discover that we can look into the heart of darkness in ourselves and our world, and emerge with a more resilient faith in life.

Because we are all pretty much novices at this process, we need to discipline ourselves to be mindful and tolerant of the dark emotions. This is a chaotic, non-linear process, but I have broken it down to seven basic steps: 1) intention, 2) affirmation, 3) sensation, 4) contextualization, 5) the way of non-action, 6) the way of action and 7) the way of surrender.

1. Intention

Intention is the means by which the mind, heart and spirit are engaged and focused. Transforming the dark emotions begins when we set our intention on using our grief, fear and despair for the purpose of healing. It is helpful to ask yourself: What is my best intention with regard to the grief, fear and despair in my life? What would I want to learn or gain from this suffering?

2. Affirmation

The second step in using the dark emotions for growth is affirming their wisdom. This means changing the way we think about how we feel, and developing and cultivating a positive attitude toward challenging feelings.

3. Sensation

Emotional intelligence is a bodily intelligence, so you have to know how to listen to your body. The step I call “sensation” includes knowing how to sense and name emotions as we experience them in the body. We need to become more familiar and friendly with the actual physical sensations of emotional energy. Meditation, T’ai chi, yoga and other physical practices that cultivate mindfulness are particularly useful. How does your body feel when you are sad, fearful or despairing? What kinds of stories does your mind spin about these emotions? What happens when you simply observe these sensations and stories, without trying to understand, analyze or change anything?

4. Contextualization

In step four, contextualization, you acquaint yourself with the stories you usually tell yourself about your emotional suffering, and then place them in a broader social, cultural, global or cosmic context. In enlarging your personal story, you connect it to a larger story of grief, fear or despair in the world. This gets us out of the isolation and narcissism of our personal history, and opens us to transforming our suffering into compassion.

5. The way of non-action

Step five, the way of non-action, is the skill that psychologists call “affect tolerance.” This step extends our ability to befriend the pain of the dark emotions in the body. When you can tolerate the pain of grief, fear and despair without acting prematurely to escape it, you are practicing the way of non-action. Again, it is helpful to meditate on your emotions with the intention of really listening to them. What does your grief, fear or despair ask of you? In meditation, listen to the answers that come from your heart, rather than from your analytic mind.

6. The way of action

The dark emotions ask us to act in some way. While the way of non-action builds our tolerance for dark emotional energy, step six is about finding an action or set of actions that puts this energy to good use. In the way of action, we act not in order to distract ourselves from emotion but in order to use its energy with the intention of transformation. The dark emotions call us to find the right action, to act with awareness and to observe the transformations that ensue, however subtle. Action can be strong medicine in times of trouble. If you are afraid, help someone who lives in fear. For example, volunteer at a battered women’s shelter. If you’re sad and lonely, work for the homeless. If you’re struggling with despair, volunteer at a hospice. Get your hands dirty with the emotion that scares you. This is one of the best ways to find hope in despair, to find connection in a shared grief and to discover the joy of working to create a less broken world.

7. The way of surrender

Finally, step seven, the way of surrender, is the art of conscious emotional flow. Emotional flow is something that happens automatically when you know how to attend to and befriend your emotions. When we are in flow with emotion, the energy becomes transformative, opening us to unexpected vistas.

When we look deeply into the dark emotions in our lives, we find both the universality of suffering and how much suffering is unnecessary, the result of social inequities, oppression, large scale violence and trauma. Our awareness both of the universality of suffering and of its socially created manifestations is critical to the healing journey. Knowing how our grief, fear and despair may be connected to larger emotional currents and social conditions de-pathologizes these emotions, allowing us to accept and tolerate them more fruitfully, and with more compassion for ourselves and others. We begin to see the dark emotions as messengers, information-bearers and teachers, rather than “negative” energies we must subdue, tame or deny. We tend to think of our “negative” emotions as signs that there’s something wrong with us. But the deepest significance of the feelings is simply our shared human vulnerability. When we know this deeply, we begin to heal in a way that connects rather than separates us from the world.

Lion’s Roar



117 Comments on "The Wisdom Of The Dark Emotions"

  1. makati1 on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 7:33 am 

    Had to clarify my comment…lol

  2. DerHundistlos on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 7:43 am 

    @ Boat

    “By 1691, the population of indigenous Americans had declined by 90-95 percent, or by around 130 million people.”

    What???????? The consensus opinion is before the arrival of English, the total population of Native North Americans was between 10 to 13 million {Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee and numerous other sources}, not anywhere close to your estimate of 144 million (100% of your estimate).

    Try again/

    Furthermore, the genocide of the Native North Americans was committed by the English. German migrations to North America did not begin in earnest until the middle 19th century.

    And try again/

  3. Davy on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 7:45 am 

    What truth mad kat? Your bias version? Besides, none of know the truth but some get closer to it. You are far away from it and getting further all the time. Please we need links for your above headline puke comment or it is bogus. I would also ask you to show some positive references about the US and negatives about your Asia otherwise you are a fool who is peddling and extremist emotional anti-American agenda. You are the equivalent to a 12 year old being 75. Age has a way of turning people like you into children. In your case a nasty little brat.

  4. Hello on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 7:45 am 

    >>> I could post thousands of examples of the collapsing America if I wanted

    And you believe you couldn’t find 1000s of exampled of the opposite, a prosperous, innovative, clever america?

    That’s the problem with examples. It’s just an example. You pick what you fancy.

    And as long as the whole 3rd world practically stands at the gates wanting to go to europe or america, it’s prerrty much save to say that life ain’t that bad in either of those places.

  5. Cloggie on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 7:52 am 

    cloggie, your goofy 3 part series is nothing but opinion from twisted facts from an extremist anti-American. It is not even worth my time. Both Europe, US, and Asia are in economic and cultural decline. You are a fool like mad kat if you don’t see that. Two old men with early onset dementia is what I am seeing.

    So you read my opinion anyway and you arrive at your standard lame diagnosis of “dementia”… because you have nothing to say against it other than your tired “anti-Americanism” accusation.

    Europe is economically and technologically absolutely NOT in decline, but demographically it is indeed, very much so. We will have to pay the bill for that later, after the coming “golden European decade”. But the populist revolution is underway, rest assured of that. And they are all pro-Russia.

    And this Macron chap is not as bad as I feared he would be. He now has changed the asylum-immigration circus and will set up asylum procedures on African soil. Even the UN admitted that 99% of the asylum applicunts are bogus.

    But the take-away point is that from now on they won’t make it to Europe anymore. Macron announced that he plans for 10,000 refugees to come to France, absolute peanuts.

    https://euobserver.com/migration/138816

    Furthermore there is a quiet palace-revolution underway in Germany. Merkel’s CDU suffered great losses in the last election and she was forced to make concession to the Bavarian sister party CSU that 200,000 (usually young male fake) refugees should be allowed in max per year.

    http://www.focus.de/politik/videos/anti-merkel-umfrage-ohne-merkel-haetten-cdu-und-csu-mehr-stimmen-bekommen_id_7698747.html

  6. JuanP on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 8:59 am 

    Derhund,
    The Americas include South America, Central America, North America and the Caribbean. All the natives of these areas are indigenous Americans. That is why it is best to refer to US citizens as such rather than Americans as they call themselves. I was born in Uruguay and I am an American of European descent, and I am not a US citizen. I could be one if I wanted to butI have absolutely no interest in becoming one; I’d rather remain what I am, a legal permanent resident.

  7. JuanP on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 8:59 am 

    Derh, check out this link, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas

  8. Davy on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 9:07 am 

    Mental masturbation through the use of conjecture, cloggie, that is what you are doing. You are just creating a fantasy world of what if’s, maybe’s, and I wish upon a star, BS. Stick to renewables you are a little better reality testing them.

  9. Cloggie on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 9:10 am 

    But you are not even going to try to refute my assertions. Because you know you get your Allerwertesten kicked.

  10. Davy on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 9:12 am 

    American is also a poor choice. Each individual Native population has their own name. “American” is from the bastardization of Amerigo Vespucci for Euro colonialist purposes..

  11. Cloggie on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 9:15 am 

    @DerHundistlos

    Boat has no idea what he is talking about.

    1776: 2 million Europeans in North-America, 1.5 million anti- and 0.5 million pro-British.

    Native Americans on US soil…

    http://tinyurl.com/kasqv8l

    From the 16th through the 19th centuries, the population of Indians sharply declined. Most mainstream scholars believe that, among the various contributing factors, epidemic disease was the overwhelming cause of the population decline of the Native Americans because of their lack of immunity to new diseases brought from Europe. It is difficult to estimate the number of pre-Columbian Native Americans who were living in what is today the United States of America. Estimates range from a low of 2.1 million to a high of 18 million (Dobyns 1983). By 1800, the Native population of the present-day United States had declined to approximately 600,000, and only 250,000 Native Americans remained in the 1890s. Chicken pox and measles, endemic but rarely fatal among Europeans (long after being introduced from Asia), often proved deadly to Native Americans. In the 100 years following the arrival of the Spanish to the Americas, large disease epidemics depopulated large parts of the eastern United States in the 16th century.

    Mmost important cause for death of the natives: diseases:

    http://tinyurl.com/cceuzwd

    The best-known battle (Wounded Knee), had merely 150-300 deaths. Ridiculous Mickey Mouse events, compared to the real battles of Verdun (1 million deaths), Stalingrad or Berlin.

  12. Davy on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 9:16 am 

    Cloggie, you are the one all hot and bothered. You are becoming a joke and will be treated like one by me. I respect some of what you say. In fact I value your renewable energy contributions when it is balanced. Otherwise you are a joke to laugh at much like mad kat. Two old men with dementia that tell me daily how much they hate me and who I am. Go bite yourself if you need to feel something.

  13. Davy on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 9:19 am 

    “Ridiculous Mickey Mouse events, compared to the real battles of Verdun (1 million deaths), Stalingrad or Berlin.”

    Too bad your example was not something good or enlightening but instead a way to showed the depth of European depravity. Go bite yourself clog

  14. Cloggie on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 10:18 am 

    Two old men with dementia that tell me daily how much they hate me

    Don’t make yourself the center of the universe. You are not. We are discussing energy, scarcity in general, food, climate, geopolitics and what not, but not Davy.

    I’m sorry.

    Go to a dating/buddy site.

  15. Davy on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 10:30 am 

    You and mad kat are the obsessive assholes who think your worlds are the center of the universe. You are always talking yourselves up like we care. I can’t stand braggarts and that is what the two of you are. On top of that you spit on me daily. Get a grip old man, you spit on people you get spit back on.

  16. Boat on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 11:12 am 

    We all need to keep a watchful eye on the German elements in peakoil.com. mak and that clog character want to control the world.

  17. Cloggie on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 11:18 am 

    We all need to keep a watchful eye on the German elements in peakoil.com. mak and that clog character want to control the world.

    Idiocracy in action.

  18. GregT on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 11:44 am 

    “You are always talking yourselves up like we care.”

    We all need to keep a watchful eye on the German elements”

    Thanks for the clarification on the ‘we’ thing boys. I was beginning to think that both of you had multiple personality disorders.

    Boat,

    That should have been we “both”. We “all” implies more than two.

    Dellusionalist,

    Thanks for giving the board that badly needed recess over the past 36 hours or so.

    Please go and get some help.

  19. Davy on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 12:03 pm 

    widdle g, go prick somewhere else this is not your business. You are the biggest of the asswipes. Always got to get into other people business like you special.

  20. GregT on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 12:07 pm 

    Again, this is an unmoderated open Internet forum. If you feel the need to discuss ‘business’ in private with others, then send them a PM.

    Stop filling these forums up with your sick, delusional, emotional tirades.

  21. Davy on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 12:17 pm 

    widdle g, as an unmonitored forum you can PM me to PM you back that you need to go bite yourself.

  22. GregT on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 12:26 pm 

    Grow up already. You aren’t in grade school anymore.

  23. Davy on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 12:32 pm 

    Get help for your obsessive stalking and pricking with issues that are not your business. You started this shit and now who knows when it will end becuase your obsessive compulsive pathological pricking wants the first slap and the last.

  24. GregT on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 12:38 pm 

    Stop filling these forums up with your sick, delusional, emotional little tirades.

  25. Davy on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 12:43 pm 

    Go bite yourself widdle g. You are foaming at the mouth.

  26. Anonymouse1 on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 1:11 pm 

    Boatietard meant to say WEtards, but got confused while trying to get his thought together, imagine that.

    Btw, not that you will understand any of this retard, but your buddy cloggen-fraud, is not german, or even germanic. His origins, are much more, mmm…abrahamic you might say. Oddly enough though, you correct about the group he is with wanting to ‘take over the world’. They already have in large measure.

  27. Boat on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 1:49 pm 

    amous,

    We squashed his ilk a couple of times in Europe. We continue to stomp on little pockets of his ilk in the US. We believe in free speech and the right to feed the filth of far-right rhetoric to the grinding wheels of commensense and human dignity.

  28. GregT on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 2:27 pm 

    Who is this “we” that you are referring to Boat?

    If you were referring to the first two world wars, you weren’t even alive yet, and unless you yourself personally have been a part of the ongoing mass murdering, you haven’t stomped on anything.

    YOU might believe in free speech, but those who are in control of the U.S., and are in the process of bring it to it’s knees, do not. They also do not give a rat’s ass about human dignity, but undoubtedly have far more common sense than you could only ever possibly dream of possessing.

  29. Cloggie on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 2:41 pm 

    We squashed his ilk a couple of times in Europe. We continue to stomp on little pockets of his ilk in the US. We believe in free speech and the right to feed the filth of far-right rhetoric to the grinding wheels of commensense and human dignity.

    https://youtu.be/ZGSAhNZnisk

    “Little pockets?” These “little pockets” brought Trump to power with one message only: “we beg you, keep whites in majority.”

    But Trump won’t, because he can’t. (((The powers that be))) are determined to make the whites powerless and criminalize white identity and erase every aspect of white history. Don’t take it from me, here it is straight from the (((horse’s mouth))):

    http://tinyurl.com/yaxtf9ks

    Tptb are going to use the third world import like Anonymous as the neo-Bolshevik proletariat against the whites. Anonymous may be a fool, who can’t tell the difference between a Jew and a secular Protestant Dutch, but at least he instinctively smells the weakness of the cucked American whites like you boat and ridicules and humiliates you around the clock, despite your cowardly attempts to appease him… or rather because of it.

    There is only one way out from becoming the new white slaves of the colored masses, lead by your satanic (((overlords))) and that is to revolt. And they will, resulting in the largest bloodbath in American history.

    At least that other cuck Davy knows the score, in contrast to you boat-fool and made sure he has a refuge in Europe. He knows it is over, not just the US empire but also the US itself, despite his 24/7 ramblings about “anti-Americanism”.

    You boat have no clue about the predicament you are in.

  30. Cloggie on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 3:14 pm 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gql5CMdtVis

    Brexit talks in deadlock.
    Hard Brexit most likely result.

    http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/brexit-verhandlungen-die-europaeische-union-zeigt-ihr-pokerface-a-1172632.html

    EU states remain hard, Britain gets nervous.

    UK media were allowed to ask five questions and were very critical:

    – what is the purpose of this brinkmanship?
    – why didn’t the UK respond in writing it will adhere to its financial obligations
    – why are you so sure the EU is interested in a trade deal in the first place?
    – can you mr Davis mention a single UK firm who regards Brexit as positive?

    The UK tries to keep a brave face and elaborate about the possibility to join Nafta. The point is that Donald Trump is not really interested in new trade deals. And Canada and Mexico cannot compensate the loss of the EU market. And just in time Canadian PM arrived in Washington to be lectured by Trump that the US are considering leaving Nafta.

    Many Asian firms chose Britain because of access to EU-markets. They will retreat from Britain.

  31. makati1 on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 6:32 pm 

    Hello, post a few of those 1,000 “positive” articles about the US. You are not allowed to use any US MSM sources. I’m waiting…

  32. Davy on Thu, 12th Oct 2017 7:12 pm 

    “Hello, post a few of those 1,000 “positive” articles about the US. You are not allowed to use any US MSM sources. I’m waiting…”

    Mad kat, hello is a real world traveler and highly educated. You on the other hand lack polish and education. One needs only read your comment above to tell you are clueless and in the zone of a fruit loop.

  33. Cloggie on Fri, 13th Oct 2017 12:14 pm 

    British finance minister calls the EU “the enemy”.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBXOyYTFiFo

    He later apologized. The frustration must be high there in Britain, for good reason.

    http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/brexit-philip-hammond-bezeichnet-eu-als-den-feind-a-1172862.html

    We are gradually moving into WW3 between Eurasia and Anglosphere. End-game North-America.

    The reserve currency time table says that time is up for the Anglos of the UK c.q. US variety:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/20160612_nothing.jpg

    Every geopolitical bully gets a century, just like humans get 80 years.

    Which future world?

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/26/which-future-world/

    Interesting times.

  34. Hello on Fri, 13th Oct 2017 12:26 pm 

    >>>>>> – can you mr Davis mention a single UK firm who regards Brexit as positive?

    Firms aren’t persons, don’t have feelings and no opinion.

    The question should have been: can you mention any CEO who prefers not to stay in the EU?

    Luckily the UK also has normal people, not only CEOs. And such people bravely made the right decision in leaving the evil EU. I salute the bravery. Let’s hope they’re not getting short changed by the politicians.

  35. Cloggie on Sat, 14th Oct 2017 2:49 am 

    Firms aren’t persons, don’t have feelings and no opinion.

    Firms definitely have an opinion about their trade. The European industry, including the British, has traditionally a very pro-European attitude. Industry per definition is globalist. Many captains of British industry are horrified by what is currently happening.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/aug/04/uk-car-industry-facing-an-utterly-demoralising-brexit

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/sep/03/britain-aerospace-sector-could-be-priced-out-after-brexit

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/26/brexit-watershed-farming-food-industry-michael-gove

    http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/brexit-british-film-industry-affects-a7747616.html

    But hey, on a positive note, Britain could start a super alliance with Switzerland and Turkey, what’s not to like!

  36. Cloggie on Sat, 14th Oct 2017 3:09 am 

    The Economist: The world’s most powerful man Xi Jinping

    Of course he is. He rules 1300 million people with an average IQ of 100 and strong work ethic.

    Timber!

    This is why Paris-Berlin-Moscow will become a Eurasian geopolitical necessity.

    But before we can begin to setup that confederation we will first need to deal with America and manage its decline and ultimately collapse and as such prevent a last-minute anti-European Chinese-American alliance.

    The way to achieve that is for Europe to quietly position itself as the protector of European-America, build a large European army…

    http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/frances-macron-wants-eu-army

    …and prepare itself to intervene on North-American soil once that ticking time-bomb goes off.

    Europe – UK + Russia has 640 million, where America is divided in the middle between (mostly white) constitutionalists and leftist globalists (“communists”) and like in 1776 continental Europe will make the difference and this time will liberate the European-Americans not from the British but this time from another notorious group:

    http://tinyurl.com/ybkkvzrg

    …so they can’t be used any longer to help establish global Zion.

  37. makati1 on Sat, 14th Oct 2017 3:42 am 

    Cloggie, I think you may be correct. As the world island is united into one big trading organization, the US has to shrink to insignificance. We shall see.

  38. Cloggie on Sat, 14th Oct 2017 4:26 am 

    Forgot to post the Economist cover link:

    https://assets.rbl.ms/11978402/980x.jpg

  39. Cloggie on Sat, 14th Oct 2017 5:15 am 

    Here few graphs in a single post, which probably will unleash the usual “anti-American” howling. But sometimes the facts are “anti-American”:

    http://tinyurl.com/yafvc533

  40. Cloggie on Sat, 14th Oct 2017 5:32 am 

    Louis Farrakhan, the black Richard Spencer:

    https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/918925816570015744

    “Lets separate amicably” (which is an illusion). The amicability will stop on the very moment the land grab will begin. And then there is Washington.

    Forget about the immanent importance of peak oil/climate change. The real unfolding US social question will be the defining dramatic event that will come first.

  41. makati1 on Sat, 14th Oct 2017 5:36 am 

    Cloggie, you will hear from the usual Made-in-China US flag wavers when they come online. They will argue that it is fake and not fact but will not be able to prove it. As usual.

  42. Davy on Sat, 14th Oct 2017 6:52 am 

    Paris Berlin Moscow is a complete fantasy, period. There is nothing real about it. You talk about how you have to deal with the US and its decline and collapse but you can’t even deal with yourselves now. Look at Brexit and Catalan independence as just a taste of what is coming. There are many hint at grass roots revolts to the Euro centralization project the mad bureaucrats are contemplating. People do not want more centralization but the incomplete and imperfect Euro project must centralize or fail. It is just a matter of time.

    Just wait until the world gets meaner and poorer. Your Euros will turn on yourselves quicker than Americans. We are one nation you are many who don’t particularly like each other on many levels. Yes we have a multicult population but they are very segregated much more than Europe. My county in the Ozarks is 95% white. I bet better than your Dutch village. Euro has plenty of immigration issues now probably worse than the US because your immigrants don’t want to assimilate ours do. I saw it yesterday when 191 people from 52 countries were naturalized including my wife (Italian). They were eager to assimilate. You are clueless about these people. You have never been to this country to know how the people interact. You just read your extremist news for your easy chair in your cushy Dutch village. You are isolated from our reality living in the white racist Paris Berlin Moscow shiny 100% renewable world. This is just fiction you play off as nonfiction.

    You talk about China as if they have no problems. They have the most distorted economy of any major powers. They have the highest population densities placing them at risk. China also has the worst pollution, food issues, and water issues of all major powers and you talk like everything is peachy in China. You are off in the deep end of denial and fantasy.

  43. Cloggie on Sat, 14th Oct 2017 7:35 am 

    Paris Berlin Moscow is a complete fantasy, period.

    Tell that to Vladimir Putin. [16:27]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gvbS09gN80

    And Paris-Berlin-Moscow is official Gaullist policy since the sixties, interrupted only by (((Sarkozy))), in France nicked “Sarko the American”.

    There are many hint at grass roots revolts to the Euro centralization project the mad bureaucrats are contemplating.

    In contrast to Britain, all the other European nations are in solid majority pro-EU. Switzerland is a successful example of a confederation that lasts for centuries. Cooperate but keep French, Germans and Italians apart physically.

    My county in the Ozarks is 95% white.

    Take it from me that the US is much bigger than the Ozarks. It is not for nothing that Kunstler advices Missouri to be one of the more safer spots in the US (for exactly the reason that it is largely white, the coastal areas not so much)

    I bet better than your Dutch village.

    This village?

    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/eindhoven-next-silicon-valley-terry-boyd/

    http://fortune.com/2012/09/19/7-best-new-global-cities-for-startups/
    (note that almost all “next Silicon valleys” according to Fortune are in Europe, none in the US. “European Golden Decade” anyone?)

    http://blog.hightechcampus.com/build-your-business/eindhoven-could-be-the-european-answer-to-silicon-valley

    I saw it yesterday when 191 people from 52 countries were naturalized including my wife (Italian). They were eager to assimilate.

    I bet that even in the Ozarks most of these 191 where non-white. I immediately believe they are eager to “assimilate”, but how about the average Trump voter… eager too? Don’t think so:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGSAhNZnisk

    Euro has plenty of immigration issues now probably worse than the US because your immigrants don’t want to assimilate

    That’s good news for Europe because these invaders will hand us over the excuse to throw them out as Allah’s imperialists, once we have dealt with the US vassals traitors, just like the Eastern Europeans dealt with the Soviet vassals.

    You talk about China as if they have no problems. They have the most distorted economy of any major powers. They have the highest population densities placing them at risk. China also has the worst pollution, food issues, and water issues of all major powers and you talk like everything is peachy in China. You are off in the deep end of denial and fantasy.

    America was in a deep recession during the entire thirties but rose to planetary prominence regardless, thanks to scheming Jews in both the US and USSR. Your are a typical finance guy who wants to reduce everything in money terms. I think in terms of human capital as decisive (IQ and work-ethic), which is “raysiss” in your book, the typical pussy libtard attitude with zero ethnic self-respect (and always moving to the white parts, Ozarks and Italy as you are no fool, just hypocritical). That event you attended last week brought America closer to the breaking point. But you won’t acknowledge that as you are ideologically blinded, just like the Soviets were, whose empire was over in a snap. USA same story. America is not “one nation”, not in a long shot but a ticking time bomb.

  44. Davy on Sat, 14th Oct 2017 7:40 am 

    Mad kat, are you prepared?

    “Wave Of Eruptions Along Pacific ‘Ring Of Fire’ Leave 10,000s Displaced”
    http://tinyurl.com/yb9jkzoa
    “Volcanoes in the Philippines: Mapping natural catastrophe crisk zones”
    http://tinyurl.com/y77wo8ej

  45. Davy on Sat, 14th Oct 2017 7:51 am 

    “bet that even in the Ozarks most of these 191 where non-white. I immediately believe they are eager to “assimilate”, but how about the average Trump voter… eager too? Don’t think so:”
    It was in St Louis and they were around half and half.

    “Take it from me that the US is much bigger than the Ozarks. It is not for nothing that Kunstler advices Missouri to be one of the more safer spots in the US (for exactly the reason that it is largely white, the coastal areas not so much)”
    Clog, my point is it is a big country of locals and many locals are segregated by choice and circumstance. The big population centers are multicultural but not so much in the less populated areas. This means predominantly black, Hispanic, Native American, and Asian areas according to what part of the country you go. We get along fine for the most part except for trouble makers. It has always been problematic. We are used to it you are not.

    “(note that almost all “next Silicon valleys” according to Fortune are in Europe, none in the US. “European Golden Decade” anyone?)”
    We don’t need to reinvent what we already have plus you are betting on the come again as usual. Living in that fantasy future.

    “always moving to the white parts, Ozarks”
    Dumbass, my family has a farm in the Ozarks since 1948. I spent a good part of my childhood here. I was told I was conceived here. You are talking out your ass as usual. I am here because it is my home and my family farm for more years than you have been alive.

  46. makati1 on Sat, 14th Oct 2017 8:01 am 

    They are not new here. Been happening for eons. You are the one who is down wind of Yellowstone. That would make Pinatubo’s eruption in 91′ seem like a burp.

    Yes I am prepared. There are no super volcanoes in the Ps but there are three in the US.

    https://www.ranker.com/list/the-world_s-6-known-supervolcanoes/analise.dubner?ref=nxtlst&pos=1&collectionId=51

    “There are about 169 volcanoes in the United States that scientists consider active. Most of these are located in Alaska, where eruptions occur virtually every year. Others are located throughout the west and in Hawaii (see our Volcano Activity Map for their locations). Kilauea volcano in Hawaii is one of the most active volcanoes on Earth. It has been erupting almost continuously since 1983.”

    https://www.americangeosciences.org/critical-issues/faq/how-many-active-volcanoes-are-there-united-states

    Th US has more active volcanoes than the Ps.

    “As of 2012, PHIVOLCS lists 23 volcanoes as active in the Philippines, 21 of which have historical eruptions”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_volcanoes_in_the_Philippines

    AS I said, I’m prepared. Are you? lol

  47. Davy on Sat, 14th Oct 2017 8:08 am 

    mad kat, you are now and will be on the fantasy farm in close proximity to active volcanism. I think you have just as much or more to worry about than I do. If Yellowstone goes you are as good as dead anyway. It is likely a civilization killer if not an extinction event.

    you are not prepared.

  48. Cloggie on Sat, 14th Oct 2017 8:13 am 

    Dumbass, my family has a farm in the Ozarks since 1948. I spent a good part of my childhood here.

    How was I to know that? All you ever told was that you lived in Hermann until fairly recently and that you moved to an Italian enclave (probably under pressure of the misses).

    Back to reality. The altright movement comes today with a picture of the future of America, which is almost the same I am predicting:

    https://altright.com/2017/10/14/political-violence-is-inevitable-in-america/

    The only difference is that I think that the constitutionalist-secessionists will manage to break through towards the Gulf of Mexico at New Orleans:

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/26/mississippi-basin-future-european-american-ethno-state/

  49. Davy on Sat, 14th Oct 2017 8:20 am 

    “How was I to know that? All you ever told was that you lived in Hermann until fairly recently and that you moved to an Italian enclave (probably under pressure of the misses).”
    I lived in Hermann for 10 years cloggie. I have a house there my kids live in with their mom. This is not an Italian enclave where my farm is. St James to the north is has Italians with some Italian wineries but not an enclave. I am in a predominantly old stock American area. You can google Dent County to see where I live.

  50. J-Gav on Tue, 24th Oct 2017 2:50 pm 

    Interesting comments Makati. I’m discovering a new side to who ‘you’ are, and that’s always enlightening.

    Apnea – Correct – Bouddhists have never been the paragons of pacifism or egalitarianism that many Westerners take them to be. One of the biggest massacres in ancient history was wrought upon the Chinese by …. Tibetan bouddhists. Check out Michael Parenti’s article on that subject.

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