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Hi Everyone – Our hosting service was attacked and wiped out ; so peakoil.com website was restored from our last offsite backup taken Sunday Nov 26.

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75 Comments on "Peakoil.com Server Down Nov 29"

  1. onlooker on Fri, 1st Dec 2017 5:32 pm 

    Yes, Futilist don’t get overly worked up. The denialists of all kinds and stripes will get the shock of their lives at some point. We, more Realists have already been rehearsing for this BIG DOWNTURN, because we know its coming. So enjoy the Internet and its gamut of intrigues and see it as just a coffee break before things get Really serious.

  2. Futilitist on Fri, 1st Dec 2017 5:36 pm 

    I didn’t come here to talk about conspiracies. I came here to talk about apocalypse.

  3. Davy on Fri, 1st Dec 2017 5:43 pm 

    now you are talking FU, that is what many of us here specialize in. Let us have it.

  4. peakyeast on Fri, 1st Dec 2017 6:31 pm 

    If it costs more than a handful of $ per month to keep this site going then someone is being uneconomic. With the traffic here I could host and maintain it for 0$ on my private ADSL.

  5. DerHundistlos on Fri, 1st Dec 2017 9:34 pm 

    @ Futility

    All you want to do is talk, talk.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hHnOBlwU3A

  6. MASTERMIND on Fri, 1st Dec 2017 11:44 pm 

    Futalist is right.

    I was banned from the forum and no reasons were giving. I posted a ton of links which were all peak oil related. And the deniers went batshit. so I created my own thread and posted them and then i was banned. And the same thing happened to me on peakoilbarrel. I posted links about the warnings of an upcoming oil shortage by the IEA and Saudi’s etc. And Dennis banned me and blocked my IP forever…I never thought in my wildest dreams I would ever be banned from two peak oil blogs for talking about peak oil..that dennis dude who runs peakoilbarrel is a total dipshit. He thinks EV’S and Driverless cars are the future and posts fake news all the time from techie garage sites…

  7. DerHundistlos on Sat, 2nd Dec 2017 12:11 am 

    With thanks to President Fuck Face:

    “President Trump will travel to Utah on Monday to announce that he is repealing protections for as many as two million acres of public land in the American West, an area more than six times the size of Grand Teton National Park, including vast portions of two national monuments in the state, Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante.

    Mr. Trump’s plans add up to the largest elimination of protected areas in American history. He is a vandal in our midst, coming in person to lay waste to the land. This theft of our heritage should awaken us to the damage being piled up across our public lands under this administration.”

    ~~Gov. Bruce Babbitt~~

  8. Futilitist on Sat, 2nd Dec 2017 1:34 am 

    Hello MASTERMIND.

    I followed your cliffhanging adventure very closely from your very first post to your unfair banning. You gave them a very hard time and you were direct and funny. And aggressive. You didn’t take any shit. I predicted you would get banned for life as soon as you returned from your 2 week temporary ban. I was right.

    Starting a separate thread for your comprehensive apocalypse list was a very cool move, BTW. Bravo. It was *WAY* too much for them. LOL.

    You should take another look at the Etp model, though. I got banned for talking about it. It puts a faster clock on the apocalypse than you do. And it is more definitive than anything on your list. I have been tracking the Etp model for the last 3 years and talking directly with BWHill about it. The model is not wrong. You have been led astray by troll propaganda. The one thing that the dumbass trolls that banned you and me can all agree on is they fucking hate the Etp model. Think about it.

    —Futilitist

  9. Futilitist on Sat, 2nd Dec 2017 1:38 am 

    And I totally agree with you about Dennis Coyne. He is the dumbest of the dumb.

  10. Davy on Sat, 2nd Dec 2017 2:05 am 

    When models become your reality then you are divorcing reality. No model is adequate these days for understanding the dynamics of what is going on. When complexity becomes complex it becomes a foundation. IOW the system itself is a power unto itself and self-organizing. Wanting a quick collapse or wanting none at all are similar in that they are negotiation tactics.

    I find the ETP as relevant but not adequate to understand the oil complex because it does not account for human nature and the self-organizing nature of the global economy. IOW there is a randomness and irrational side to our global economy that is not mathematical and does not follow scales. The irrational has a definition but not a formula. Turbulence is not quantifiable. Technology is still powerful so we have to allow for alternative energy to impact oil. The economy and technology are powerful forces that will influence consumption and consumption influences oil’s reality. This is why Peak Oil Demand is talked about so much these days. This does not mean peak oil dynamics have been destroyed and that is something also talked about a lot today and will likely bite in the ass soon enough. The ETP chooses to say it energy influences the economy and not a mutuality of the two.

  11. Davy on Sat, 2nd Dec 2017 2:07 am 

    FU, in regards to your problems with the structured forum side I was not even allowed on it or maybe I did not apply right. I lost interest in finding out why and dedicated myself to work here on this board. It is interesting that no extremist that are here on this side appear on that side. LOL. It was 4 years ago I tried to get on the structured side. I don’t find the structured side appealing. It is so drab and unexciting but it is important for a site like this to have both a moderated and unmoderated side. Many new ideas need spontaneity and controversy. We also need structure and safety to voice opinions without pressure from agendas. The unmoderated side here is a magnet for extremist. Being extreme does not mean wrong necessarily but it takes a strong filter to get accuracy from an extremist. Agendas need to be neutered to get to reality. Agendas themselves are instructive but they are generally not reality.

  12. Futilitist on Sat, 2nd Dec 2017 2:08 am 

    Oh, and welcome to the club of the banned.

    I never thought in my wildest dreams that I would ever get banned from theoildrum(rip), The Doomstead Diner, LATOC(rip), 3 different yet amazingly similar so called science forums, peakoilbarrel, and peakoil.com combined. I am practically banned from the entire internet! I doubt I will be allowed to keep posting in this “unmoderated section” for much longer. We shall see.

  13. Futilitist on Sat, 2nd Dec 2017 2:46 am 

    Davy,

    Human free will is an illusion. A trick of the mind. Human intelligence and creativity are vastly overrated.

    We are animals that are driven to maximize the release of energy and thus accelerate the entropy of the universe. We are yeast in a vat with no way to climb out. Our fate is sealed. Our “random” behaviors arise in direct response to the biophysical universe we inhabit. The net energy level determines the health of the economy, and everything we think and do is totally dependent on the economy. If it is good, we feel good and get along. If it is bad, we fight.

    The Etp model is simply the Entropy Rate Balance Equation for Control Volumes applied to the world oil production system. The Entropy Rate Balance Equation for Control Volumes is a second law statement. It cannot be wrong. The Etp model tells us that we are rapidly approaching the end of world oil production.

    BTW, we need to unleash our creative and innovative potential concerning our political system pretty soon or Trump will start the apocalypse slightly ahead of schedule.

  14. Cloggie on Sat, 2nd Dec 2017 3:00 am 

    “The Etp model is simply the Entropy Rate Balance Equation for Control Volumes applied to the world oil production system. The Entropy Rate Balance Equation for Control Volumes is a second law statement. It cannot be wrong. The Etp model tells us that we are rapidly approaching the end of world oil production.”

    Has ShortOnOil changed his nick into Futilelist?

  15. Cloggie on Sat, 2nd Dec 2017 3:10 am 

    Exit “special relationship”. Angslosphere/”Five Eyes” in full meltdown.

    British MPs want to arrest Trump if he sets foot in cuck island UK.

    http://metro.co.uk/2017/11/30/mps-want-donald-trump-to-be-arrested-over-his-retweets-7121569/

    Note that Trump gets along fine with Europeans like Macron and Trump. Welcome home, Herr Drumpf!

    Sweden is the worst PC cuntry in Europe, but Britain comes right after as a good second.

    To the disgust of the European leftists, Trump scored prestige points at home with his tax reform:

    http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/donald-trump-us-senat-stimmt-fuer-steuerreform-a-1181401.html

    Go Donald, go!

    Now we have the Flynn episode as the next opportunity for the US deep state to torpedo Trump. Flynn had the nerve to talk to the Russian ambassador before the election, probably on instigation of Kushner.

    Little side-node: ambassadors exist in order to communicate with the political establishment of the host country, there is nothing wrong with talking. But that is an argument lost on the hysterical US polit establishment.

  16. Davy on Sat, 2nd Dec 2017 6:49 am 

    “Human free will is an illusion. A trick of the mind. Human intelligence and creativity are vastly overrated.”
    Fu in what dimension are we talking because I think that matter. Life is an ascending level of abstraction for humans so where are we at in your discussion? Looking at life from the whole Universe point of view yea I agree. Looking at the world form a human individual point of view I would say no.

    “The net energy level determines the health of the economy, and everything we think and do is totally dependent on the economy. If it is good, we feel good and get along. If it is bad, we fight.”
    “Everything we think or do”? “totally dependent” that is a bit exaggerated don’t you think FU. I think you are pushing the envelope of human nature there FU. I disagree. Yea, sure to a degree some of it is true but I would not live by it. If things worked that way and you knew it you could be a millionaire playing human nature. People lose their ass trying to figure humans out.

    “It cannot be wrong. The Etp model tells us that we are rapidly approaching the end of world oil production. BTW, we need to unleash our creative and innovative potential concerning our political system pretty soon or Trump will start the apocalypse slightly ahead of schedule.”
    Anyone who says “it cannot be wrong” instantly gets a red flag. Dumb und dutchy does that. He is so sure of himself and it shows when he makes a fool of himself. I know what the ETP model is I have been here for years debating it. It is a flawed model that still has relevancy. That is as good as it gets FU. I think that was balanced statement. ETP tries to address entropy in the oil production system. Ok but that is more than a model can do as far as I am concerned. Still, the ETP is a valid undertaking and one we need to be very aware of. IMA, Entropy applies to more than the oil complex. Where are those other equations of entropy to be added to the ETP equation? LOL. You see the ETP model is much too narrow to understand what is really going on with the economy and oil. Oil is foundational but there are other foundations that affect oil.

  17. Futilitist on Sat, 2nd Dec 2017 9:26 am 

    Free will is a very powerful illusion.

    We are all just yeast in a vat. Davy, you are a highly opinionated yeast who thinks he has free will. In your vague, unsupported opinion, the Etp model is too narrow to capture all the complexity your brain is so bemused and entertained by.

  18. Davy on Sat, 2nd Dec 2017 10:04 am 

    Fu, where did I say I have free will? I asked you what dimension we are debating. Answer that question and then we can debate the subject.

    Life is an “illusion” FU. We are isolated egos living in an existential riddle because of our incongruous duality and linearity of our rationality. This makes us subject to fantasy and imagination along with the cold hard reality of pain, suffering, and death.

    “We are all just yeast in a vat.” FU, that is a worn out analogy please get more creative. Of course we are not yeast. WTF. We are showing behavior that is consistent with yeast at some levels but that is where it ends.

    Fu, what part of my opinion is unsupported and vague. You go from vague to absolute in your so I am not sure you know the difference. So what is it?

    I guess I have you speechless because this is not saying anything but you are upset with me at setting you straight:
    “the Etp model is too narrow to capture all the complexity your brain is so bemused and entertained by.”

  19. Futilitist on Sat, 2nd Dec 2017 10:36 am 

    You sure do say a lot of words, Davy.

    The fact that we are a type of yeast that specializes in fantasy and imagination is not really relevant in the discussion since it will not alter our inevitable fate.

    Our behavior is consistent with yeast at the biophysical level and that is all that matters. You seem to have a hard time getting your head around that concept. You are not alone.

  20. Davy on Sat, 2nd Dec 2017 10:56 am 

    Explain biophysical there FU and we can debate what you are talking about. Are we talking about one human or all humans. What type of yeast are you talking about? Are we talking yeast in the lab or out in nature? Oh, what is our inevitable fate. Do you worship a special skydaddy who personally told you our fate. Science does not even know our fate this is a question beyond science.

  21. Futilitist on Sat, 2nd Dec 2017 12:13 pm 

    I type in words and words are typed back at me. Fascinating.

    You seem fixated on debating me, but it feels kind of disingenuous. You are trying very hard to draw me into an endless series of standard, canned arguments that are just irrelevant loops. Seems pretty pointless to me. Why are you doing it?

    Google biophysics.

  22. MASTERMIND on Sat, 2nd Dec 2017 12:21 pm 

    Futilist

    Thanks for the nice words…About the ETP to be perfectly honest I just don’t understand it well enough and I don’t understand why many say it has been debunked…So I am just going to wait and see if the price of oil drops to around 20 dollars a barrel around 2020. And if that happens then I will most likely accept it.

  23. Futilitist on Sat, 2nd Dec 2017 1:21 pm 

    Hi MASTERMIND.

    World GDP very strongly correlates to world oil production. The Etp model shows that we are currently experiencing a severe energy crisis. I believe this will cause the debt ridden world economy to fail catastrophically (Korowicz style) well before 2020. If that does happen, I hope you will count that in the model’s favor in your final evaluation.

  24. MASTERMIND on Sat, 2nd Dec 2017 3:06 pm 

    Futitlist

    I believe that could happen and is quite possible. My prediction is that we will run up against worldwide oil shortages. That will spike the price very high once again. That will cause another great recession 2.0. That we will never be able to crawl out of and by 2030 the financial system will collapses (Korowicz, 2012) style as well…

  25. peakyeast on Sat, 2nd Dec 2017 6:07 pm 

    When inputting the new data points it is becomming obvious that the Limits to Growth standard scenario by any reasonable standards are amazingly precise.

    We are now nearing some very interesting points on that graph. If the data points track the model the next 10-20 years then TSHTF.

    With the current worldwide problems and saber rattling I think we are looking at non-linear changes before those 20 years. Possibly way before.

    We have already had many nations who has experienced “the great adjustment” – who is not in any foreseable time going to reach their old wealth and properity.

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