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Mutiny Of The Soul

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Depression, anxiety, and fatigue are an essential part of a process of metamorphosis that is unfolding on the planet today, and highly significant for the light they shed on the transition from an old world to a new.

When a growing fatigue or depression becomes serious, and we get a diagnosis of Epstein-Barr or Chronic Fatigue Syndrome or hypothyroid or low serotonin, we typically feel relief and alarm. Alarm: something is wrong with me. Relief: at least I know I’m not imagining things; now that I have a diagnosis, I can be cured, and life can go back to normal. But of course, a cure for these conditions is elusive.

The notion of a cure starts with the question, “What has gone wrong?” But there is another, radically different way of seeing fatigue and depression that starts by asking, “What is the body, in its perfect wisdom, responding to?” When would it be the wisest choice for someone to be unable to summon the energy to fully participate in life?

The answer is staring us in the face. When our soul-body is saying No to life, through fatigue or depression, the first thing to ask is, “Is life as I am living it the right life for me right now?” When the soul-body is saying No to participation in the world, the first thing to ask is, “Does the world as it is presented me merit my full participation?”

What if there is something so fundamentally wrong with the world, the lives, and the way of being offered us, that withdrawal is the only sane response? Withdrawal, followed by a reentry into a world, a life, and a way of being wholly different from the one left behind?

The unspoken goal of modern life seems to be to live as long and as comfortably as possible, to minimize risk and to maximize security. We see this priority in the educational system, which tries to train us to be “competitive” so that we can “make a living”. We see it in the medical system, where the goal of prolonging life trumps any consideration of whether, sometimes, the time has come to die. We see it in our economic system, which assumes that all people are motivated by “rational self-interest”, defined in terms of money, associated with security and survival. (And have you ever thought about the phrase “the cost of living”?) We are supposed to be practical, not idealistic; we are supposed to put work before play. Ask someone why she stays in a job she hates, and as often as not the answer is, “For the health insurance.” In other words, we stay in jobs that leave us feeling dead in order to gain the assurance of staying alive. When we choose health insurance over passion, we are choosing survival over life.

On a deep level, which I call the soul level, we want none of that. We recognize that we are here on earth to enact a sacred purpose, and that most of the jobs on offer are beneath our dignity as human beings. But we might be too afraid to leave our jobs, our planned-out lives, our health insurance, or whatever other security and comfort we have received in exchange for our divine gifts. Deep down, we recognize this security and comfort as slaves’ wages, and we yearn to be free.

So, the soul rebels. Afraid to make the conscious choice to step away from a slave’s life, we make the choice unconsciously instead. We can no longer muster the energy to go through the motions. We enact this withdrawal from life through a variety of means. We might summon the Epstein-Barr virus into our bodies, or mononucleosis, or some other vector of chronic fatigue. We might shut down our thyroid or adrenal glands. We might shut down our production of serotonin in the brain. Other people take a different route, incinerating the excess life energy in the fires of addiction. Either way, we are in some way refusing to participate. We are shying away from ignoble complicity in a world gone wrong. We are refusing to contribute our divine gifts to the aggrandizement of that world.

That is why the conventional approach of fixing the problem so that we can return to normal life will not work. It might work temporarily, but the body will find other ways to resist. Raise serotonin levels with SSRIs, and the brain will prune some receptor sites, thinking in its wisdom, “Hey, I’m not supposed to feel good about the life I am living right now.” In the end, there is always suicide, a common endpoint of the pharmaceutical regimes that seek to make us happy with something inimical to our very purpose and being. You can only force yourself to abide in wrongness so long. When the soul’s rebellion is suppressed too long, it can explode outward in bloody revolution. Significantly, all of the school shootings in the last decade have involved people on anti-depression medication. All of them! For a jaw-dropping glimpse of the results of the pharmaceutical regime of control, scroll down this compilation of suicide/homicide cases involving SSRIs. I am not using “jaw-dropping” as a figure of speech. My jaw literally dropped open.

Back in the 1970s, dissidents in the Soviet Union were often hospitalized in mental institutions and given drugs similar to the ones used to treat depression today. The reasoning was that you had to be insane to be unhappy in the Socialist Workers’ Utopia. When the people treating depression receive status and prestige from the very system that their patients are unhappy with, they are unlikely to affirm the basic validity of the patient’s withdrawal from life. “The system has to be sound — after all, it validates my professional status — therefore the problem must be with you.”

Unfortunately, “holistic” approaches are no different, as long as they deny the wisdom of the body’s rebellion. When they do seem to work, usually that is because they coincide with some other shift. When someone goes out and gets help, or makes a radical switch of modalities, it works as a ritual communication to the unconscious mind of a genuine life change. Rituals have the power to make conscious decisions real to the unconscious. They can be part of taking back one’s power.

I have met countless people of great compassion and sensitivity, people who would describe themselves as “conscious” or “spiritual”, who have battled with CFS, depression, thyroid deficiency, and so on. These are people who have come to a transition point in their lives where they become physically incapable of living the old life in the old world. That is because, in fact, the world presented to us as normal and acceptable is anything but. It is a monstrosity. Ours is a planet in pain. If you need me to convince you of that, if you are unaware of the destruction of forests, oceans, wetlands, cultures, soil, health, beauty, dignity, and spirit that underlies the System we live in, then I have nothing to say to you. I only am speaking to you if you do believe that there is something deeply wrong with the way we are living on this planet.

A related syndrome comprises various “attention deficit” and anxiety “disorders” (forgive me, I cannot write down these words without the ironic quotation marks) which reflect an unconscious knowledge that something is wrong around here. Anxiety, like all emotions, has a proper function. Suppose you left a pot on the stove and you know you forgot something, you just can’t remember what. You cannot rest at ease. Something is bothering you, something is wrong. Subliminally you smell smoke. You obsess: did I leave the water running? Did I forget to pay the mortgage? The anxiety keeps you awake and alert; it doesn’t let you rest; it keeps your mind churning, worrying. This is good. This is what saves your life. Eventually you realize — the house is on fire! — and anxiety turns into panic, and action.

So if you suffer from anxiety, maybe you don’t have a “disorder” at all — maybe the house is on fire. Anxiety is simply the emotion corresponding to “Something is dangerously wrong and I don’t know what it is.” That is only a disorder if there is in fact nothing dangerously wrong. “Nothing is wrong, just you” is the message that any therapy gives when it tries to fix you. I disagree with that message. The problem is not with you. You have very good reason to be anxious. Anxiety keeps part of your attention away from your tasks of polishing the silverware as the house burns down, of playing the violin as the Titanic sinks. Unfortunately, the wrongness you are tapping into might be beyond the cognizance of the psychiatrists who treat you, who then conclude that the problem must be your brain.

Similarly, Attention Deficit Disorder, ADHD, and my favorite, Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD) are only disorders if we believe that the things presented for our attention are worth paying attention to. We cannot admit, without calling into question the whole edifice of our school system, that it may be completely healthy for a ten-year-old boy to not sit still for six hours in a classroom learning about long division and Vasco de Gama. Perhaps the current generation of children, that some call the Indigos, simply have a lower tolerance for school’s agenda of conformity, obedience, external motivation, right-and-wrong answers, the quantification of performance, rules and bells, report cards and grades and your permanent record. So we try to enforce their attention with stimulants, and subdue their heroic intuitive rebellion against the spirit-wrecking machine.

As I write about the “wrongness” against which we all rebel, I can hear some readers asking, “What about the metaphysical principle that it’s ‘all good’?” Just relax, I am told, nothing is wrong, all is part of the divine plan. You only perceive it as wrong because of your limited human perspective. All of this is only here for our own development. War: it gives people wonderful opportunities to make heroic choices and burn off bad karma. Life is wonderful, Charles, why do you have to make it wrong?

I am sorry, but usually such reasoning is just a sop to the conscience. If it is all good, then that is only because we perceive and experience it as terribly wrong. The perception of iniquity moves us to right it.

Nonetheless, it would be ignorant and fruitless to pass judgment upon those who do not see anything wrong, who, oblivious to the facts of destruction, think everything is basically fine. There is a natural awakening process, in which first we proceed full speed ahead participating in the world, believing in it, seeking to contribute to the Ascent of Humanity. Eventually, we encounter something that is undeniably wrong, perhaps a flagrant injustice or a serious health problem or a tragedy near at hand. Our first response is to think this is an isolated problem, remediable with some effort, within a system that is basically sound. But when we try to fix it, we discover deeper and deeper levels of wrongness. The rot spreads; we see that no injustice, no horror can stand in isolation. We see that the disappeared dissidents in South America, the child laborers in Pakistan, the clearcut forests of the Amazon, are all intimately linked together in a grotesque tapestry that includes every aspect of modern life. We realize that the problems are too big to fix. We are called to live in an entirely different way, starting with our most fundamental values and priorities.

All of us go through this process, repeatedly, in various realms of our lives; all parts of the process are right and necessary. The phase of full participation is a growth phase in which we develop gifts that will be applied very differently later. The phase of trying to fix, to endure, to soldier on with a life that isn’t working is a maturation phase that develops qualities of patience and determination and strength. The phase of discovering the all-encompassing nature of the problem is usually a phase of despair, but it need not be. Properly, it is a phase of rest, of stillness, of withdrawal, of preparation for a push. The push is a birth-push. Crises in our lives converge and propel us into a new life, a new being that we hardly imagine could exist, except that we’d heard rumors of it, echoes, and maybe even caught a glimpse of it here and there, been granted through grace a brief preview.

If you are in the midst of this process, you need not suffer if you cooperate with it. I can offer you two things. First is self-trust. Trust your own urge to withdraw even when a million messages are telling you, “The world is fine, what’s wrong with you? Get with the program.” Trust your innate belief that you are here on earth for something magnificent, even when a thousand disappointments have told you you are ordinary. Trust your idealism, buried in your eternal child’s heart, that says that a far more beautiful world than this is possible. Trust your impatience that says “good enough” is not good enough. Do not label your noble refusal to participate as laziness and do not medicalize it as an illness. Your heroic body has merely made a few sacrifices to serve your growth.

The second thing I can offer you is a map. The journey I have described is not always linear, and you may find yourself from time to time revisiting earlier territory. When you find the right life, when you find the right expression of your gifts, you will receive an unmistakable signal. You will feel excited and alive. Many people have preceded you on this journey, and many more will follow in times to come. Because the old world is falling apart, and the crises that initiate the journey are converging upon us. Soon many people will follow the paths we have pioneered. Each journey is unique, but all share the same basic dynamics I have described. When you have passed through it, and understood the necessity and rightness of each of its phases, you will be prepared to midwife others through it as well. Your condition, all the years of it, has prepared you for this. It has prepared you to ease the passage of those who will follow. Everything you have gone through, every bit of the despair, has been necessary to forge you into a healer and a guide. The need is great. The time is coming soon.

Charles Eisenstein Blog



30 Comments on "Mutiny Of The Soul"

  1. Davy on Fri, 23rd Jan 2015 7:13 am 

    BAU has warped psychology like economics. Let’s face it life is a hard occupation whether in a nineteenth century setting or modern BAU. BAU has succeeded in providing comfort to many but at the cost of maladjustment to situations that are not natural. The alternative is a difficult shorter life but a more natural life. There are always trade-offs. Dynamic systems of all kinds behave this way. Technology creates more and not less trade-offs. At least when we once lived less complex lives that were shorter we appreciated less-more. Currently we appreciate more-less. We are twisted backwards now and it hurts.

    We need to get back to common sense and historic human nature basics. Healing our soul means getting back to community and nature. F_ck electronic devises, cars, shit food, money, consumerism, and mass modern entertainment of all kind. Embrace family, low tech, slow, basics, and natural. If there is one plus about the horrible train wreck ahead and that is a return to simple values and living arrangements. We are so far divorced from our human nature as to be a different species than we once were. Sure we have the same basic human nature but in a surreal and conflicting living arrangement. We live with so much guilt, anxiety, and excess and we can’t find balance. This maladjustment is because our society is not in balance how the hell can an individual find balance in this situation.

    We are dancing a worn out song of progress near the edge of a cliff with smiles on our faces but terror in our hearts. Some of us are in complete denial and in a personal train wreck mode. BAU’s end will baseball bat this out of our lives. Hiccups are cured by a being startled. BAU’s illnesses will be cured by crisis. It is ashame we don’t have a plan B because new problems like insecurity of food, and personal security are going to replace the BAU illnesses. Yet, this is real human nature challenges that will bring out the best and worst in us.

    This return to our humanity post train wreck will weed out the weak and worthless and leave the stronger to carry on. You may criticize that statement and I cringe at the thought but in a macro sense isn’t that what nature does. In a local sense I am going to help those in my family and tribe most in need but in a macro sense nature is going to do what she does best through death and evolution. Our society has tried to trump nature but nature bats last and always wins.

  2. sunweb on Fri, 23rd Jan 2015 7:29 am 

    In 1968, while fishing on the causeway between Miami and Miami Beach, I had an epiphany. I had just finished a BS in anthropology and had studied psychology for many years (and went on later to get a degree, become licensed and practice for 20 years).

    I was looking at the skyline of Miami (boy I bet it has changed) and realized that it couldn’t go on. “Civilization” was asking too much of us. We too separated from nature. We were too pack in together. Our original child development situation had warped. Our connection to our brethren had been lost. We had allowed our hubris and arrogance to blind us to our situation.

    In 1972, Limits to Growth came out. Limits to Growth was a computer assessment of major resources (copper, iron, aluminum, etc.) in the world and how long they would last. This was done by the Massachusette’s Institute of Technology. It has been amazingly accurate.

    So besides not being healthy for humans psychologically, sociologically or spiritually, we are creating an unsustainable, environmentally devastating world.


  3. paulo1 on Fri, 23rd Jan 2015 7:34 am 

    Quick, get me some willow bark and blackberry tea. This facile article on health and disease….made me feel ill.

    For God’s sake, sure, if you are chronically unhappy or under stress your immune system may break down and you are more susceptible to getting sick. But to say you are ‘inviting in’ the disease or condition in an effort to deal with…whatever, (BAU?) is a bunch of BS. We’ve never had it so good in NA, and even the poorest live a life of kings of past times. There is food available via all kinds of avenues. There are hospitals if you fall down, regardless of health insurance…just show up, they may not be happy about seeing you but they won’t wheel you out to lie on the street and die.

    “Folks are usually about as happy as they make their minds up to be.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln

    I don’t know about you guys, but I am usually so excited about each day I am up before 5:00 am and getting on with it. We are only limited by our imagination and attitude as far as Im concerned.

  4. Davy on Fri, 23rd Jan 2015 7:41 am 

    Paulo, each day I feel the same. You must admit part of that is coming a “C” hair away from dying as both of us have. We differ on prosperity and happiness somewhat but part of what you say is true if you are not the unlucky of society.

  5. Davy on Fri, 23rd Jan 2015 7:43 am 

    Sun, I am with you on your thinking. It takes a eureka moment to see through the fog of BAU. It is like a spiritual experience that brings you closer to your higher power. You then descend back to your world albeit a changed man.

  6. Makati1 on Fri, 23rd Jan 2015 7:52 am 

    But paulo, the loss of that “good life” is what is causing the problems. The ‘News” keeps telling you that all is well and there are roses blooming in the snow. The Prez comes on the boobtube and paints a picture of rainbows and unicorns. Then you look at your own miserable life and get depressed.

    A trip to the drug pimp doctor and a Big Pharm prescription and “bingo!” life is good again … or at least bearable until the bills come due again, the car breaks down and your kid needs new school clothes.

    The US is the largest consumer of prescription drugs in the world, per capita, by a long shot. Add in the “recreational” drugs, legal and illegal, and you have a nation living in Lala Land. THAT is the danger coming to the American sheeple and why I don’t want to be in a nation armed to the teeth and on tranquilizers/alcohol/crack/etc. A week without their “fix” and murder will be rampant.

    BYW: That may be why the War on Drugs was not successful? Maybe the PTB wants to keep them all high? Legalize marijuana? Just a thought.

  7. Revi on Fri, 23rd Jan 2015 9:09 am 

    There is a lot of opioid and heroin use nowadays. I think it’s a way to keep poor people from realizing how dim their prospects are. People in the middle class are kept from realizing what’s going with nonstop media on their devices. I agree that we are going to have big problems once the music stops.

  8. Plantagenet on Fri, 23rd Jan 2015 10:26 am 

    Go out for a jog. The body naturally produces health and happiness

  9. Marty on Fri, 23rd Jan 2015 10:30 am 

    Strive to ban gas leaf blowers everywhere.

    Boycott the Super Bowl.

  10. J-Gav on Fri, 23rd Jan 2015 11:39 am 

    Plant – Now, there’s some good advice. Except my arthritic knees no longer allow that, so I just walk from 1 to 3 hours a day (with camera in hand so as not to get bored, since nature in the big city is rather sparse).

    Exercise is one letter of John Arden’s SEEDS proposal, by the way, recently featured on Chris Martenson’s site. S- for sleep; E for exercise (physical); the second E for education (cognitive exercise); D for diet and the final S for social relationships.

  11. Davy on Fri, 23rd Jan 2015 11:48 am 

    Gav, for the young bucks here S is for sex. So you need to add a post scrip BC for birth control.

  12. Aspera on Fri, 23rd Jan 2015 11:59 am 

    Saw this on the old TOD website; ties together walking, energy descent and mental well-being.

    http://www.researchgate.net/publication/238323040_Restoring_Mental_Vitality_in_an_Endangered_World_Reflections_on_the_Benefits_of_Walking

    ABSTRACT Coping with the challenges of global climate disruption and the peaking of the rate of fossil fuel production will require behavioral change on a massive scale. There are many skills that will help individuals deal with this coming transition but none more central than the abilities to problem-solve creatively, plan and restrain behavior, and manage the emotions that result from the loss of an affluent lifestyle. These abilities require a mental state called vitality. Even in the best of circumstances, maintaining this state can be difficult and, to make matters worse, it seems that modern culture is conspiring to wear down this aspect of mental effectiveness.

    This article discusses mental vitality as being based upon the capacity to direct attention. Functioning effectively despite the distractions and challenges of an electrifying and changing world fatigues this capacity. Restoring one’s ability to direct attention is explained as a likely precondition to effective problem-solving, planning, and self-regulating, thus making such restoration essential for high levels of individual performance in general and for thoughtful coping in particular.

    Fortunately, restoring mental vitality requires nothing more than commonplace activities in everyday environments. In fact, since everyday nature is sufficient, there may be no special advantage to time spent in spectacular environments. For instance, the simple activity of walking in natural settings, particularly walking mindfully, may be all that is needed for restoration. The article concludes with a series of specific prescriptions for enhancing our ability to cope with the coming transition, which can be summarized as simply to spend time walking outdoors, regularly, surrounded by and mindful of everyday nature.

  13. Perk Earl on Fri, 23rd Jan 2015 12:05 pm 

    “We need to get back to common sense and historic human nature basics. Healing our soul means getting back to community and nature. F_ck electronic devises, cars, shit food, money, consumerism, and mass modern entertainment of all kind. Embrace family, low tech, slow, basics, and natural. If there is one plus about the horrible train wreck ahead and that is a return to simple values and living arrangements. We are so far divorced from our human nature as to be a different species than we once were.”

    That’s some prose, Davy.

    I’d say to those not sure if modern society has it’s problems, just channel surf to get some idea of what life is like now in the US. Mother’s dressing their young daughters up with makeup then having them dance to decide which one deserves a hug and which one is to be ignored, then either way argue with the head person in a power struggle. Or wives of orange county fighting with each other in an egotistical better than competition. Or UFC fights with people pounding each other senseless, including women. Or a show on tattoo’s in which many people seek to cover their entire body with tattoos. In the movie the Illustrated Man with Rod Steiger he was covered in tattoos and at the time it was considered completely disgusting. But now it’s a goal of many people.

    Something has gone. Too much time on people’s hands or too little actual work that produces something tangible. Once shtf, things will go back to a more labor intensive life and I actually think that will be much better for society. People will sleep well and then go back to doing something constructive.

    As an analogy to what has happened to society, I saw a documentary on Ford. In the early days he worked side by side with other mechanics and engineers coming up with all sorts of improvements to make the ICE something people could rely on for transport. He had all those people skills we aspire to, but then with the success of the Model T his ego went through the roof. He was like a God to people and his personality took on the attitude of a judgmental deity. All of his managers developed stomach ulcers including his Son, Edsel. Edsel was a nice person who worked with others in a respectful manner, but the ever increasing tyrant Ford developed a hatred for his Son. He wrote him a letter explaining all the ways he was a failure in life (although he had a family and was an upstanding citizen and good worker that developed the Model A). This letter crushed Edsel and he shortly thereafter developed stomach cancer. Ford upon hearing from Edsel’s wife of the cancer rejected the notion, then called his doctor’s to tell them to fix Edsel. Edsel died and Ford became a shell of a person and started claiming the company should go back to making the Model T. He died two years after Edsel.

    That story is sort of like modern civilization in a way, because as a species with cheap energy, we didn’t reach for better, more lofty heights we all aspire to, instead it became about ego like Ford. It became about destroying Nature because we had anointed ourselves deities.

    Well, things have a way of coming around and soon the burgeoning egos will be replaced by the panicked lizard brains. Good luck to one and all. Now I need to do my job and get constructive.

  14. Davy on Fri, 23rd Jan 2015 12:30 pm 

    Now Perk if I could only practice what I preach.

  15. J-Gav on Fri, 23rd Jan 2015 12:47 pm 

    Yeah Davy – I hear ya, we’ll have to re-spell SEEDS with another ‘s’ tacked onto the end …

  16. Dredd on Fri, 23rd Jan 2015 1:43 pm 

    The answer is staring us in the face. When our soul-body is saying No to life, through fatigue or depression, the first thing to ask is, “Is life as I am living it the right life for me right now?”

    This post describes current Petroleum Civilization quite well. Three minutes remain.

  17. bobinget on Fri, 23rd Jan 2015 2:21 pm 

    This time I must agree with HRH.
    It’s easy to prescribe exercise for another depressed person. It’s quite another to actually get out there and do it.

    I recommend just walking to start. Swimming, my meds, works better but clean warm water is difficult, often expensive, to find. Running sometimes leads to injuries, however slight, gives a person excuses not to go out. Walk, put on extra lights this time of year. After a few weeks of walking, try ‘race walking’ then slowly jogging on SOFT ground.

    Much is said about vitamin D the ‘sunlight vitamin’.
    If you can’t find sunlight even for a few hours a day
    take the stupid pill, it’s dirt cheap.

  18. J-Gav on Fri, 23rd Jan 2015 2:42 pm 

    Good story Perk.

  19. J-Gav on Fri, 23rd Jan 2015 2:54 pm 

    As for the article – the title is excellent (even if there isn’t the scantest evidence for anything that might correspond to a ‘soul,’supposedly one of the major differences between us and other species. Exactly where would it be hiding?); and there is a lot to be said for other insights presented as well. But we all know what he means …

    However and unfortunately, at the end, when Mr Eisenstein suggests we’re all going to be ‘healers and guides,’ I have to admit to being a little less optimistic.

  20. Perk Earl on Fri, 23rd Jan 2015 4:27 pm 

    Thanks J-Gav. In fact, some facts I left out is Ford bought a huge tract of rain forest in South America somewhere he named ‘Fordlandia’, cut it down and planted rubber trees and set up a town complete with buildings much like his home town as a kid. It was set up to teach the locals that worked the rubber trees how to act socially. The trees was a failure, many years later it was sold back for pennies on the dollar and the forest reclaimed the area in short order.

    He also sent people into his workers homes to analyze their lives and set guidelines of behavior. Those unable to make the changes were fired. After he passed away his grandson who inherited the business did away with that invasive practice as well as sell ‘Fordlandia’.

    There was a time period after he’d had a stroke in which they called the crazy years, in which Ford kept changing his mind. One day would be a certain strategy, only to be replaced a few days later by a different one.

    Interesting, but odd genius.

  21. Perk Earl on Fri, 23rd Jan 2015 4:32 pm 

    Oh, one more tidbit. In the crazy years Ford didn’t even recognize the managers. Each time he met them they were strangers, but he had all the power so they had to abide by his orders.

  22. J-Gav on Fri, 23rd Jan 2015 5:21 pm 

    Perk – I did notice though,that you didn’t mention Ford’s little ‘fling’ with Hitler (he actually went and met him and subsequently delivered quite a lot of vehicle carcasses, later used for various purposes). Well, he wasn’t the only one fascinated by Der Fürher at the time – British, Dutch and French firms were (or ended up) doing similar deals.

  23. PrestonSturges on Fri, 23rd Jan 2015 5:29 pm 

    In Mein Kampf, Hitler praises Henry Ford by name. The Nazis were inspired by the antisemitic tracts published by Ford after WW1. Ford was awarded the civilian version of the Iron Cross and Hitler used to send Ford Christmas cards!

  24. Perk Earl on Fri, 23rd Jan 2015 5:48 pm 

    Interesting, J-Gav. The documentary we watched didn’t have any of that info., but it certainly sounds interesting. I wonder what those xmas cards would sell for on E-Bay – lol.

  25. Perk Earl on Fri, 23rd Jan 2015 5:58 pm 

    “Now Perk if I could only practice what I preach.”

    Whatchya talkin’ bout, Davy. You’re on the prepper leading edge. I’m still trying to get solar. Next big job I keep saying. I’m a builder so I’m thinking of building my own structural supports for cheap solar panels on the lower part of the property OR get solar directed panels. Found one that uses warming liquid to auto redirect panels to the Sun, so there’s no mechanics or electrical to go wrong, and no wasted energy. I worry about them in a strong wind. The other way of just using a set angled framework is easier from the standpoint of replacing them, cost and total sq. feet. Might not be as efficient but it might make more sense in the long run.

    Found out from a solar company putting our address into Google Earth that our house does not face the right way (west instead of south). It was built to take advantage of the lake views which are smack dab gorgeous, with sunset beyond mountains to the east. So have to improvise but have land to do it.

  26. Davy on Fri, 23rd Jan 2015 6:09 pm 

    Davy said – F_ck electronic devises, cars, shit food, money, consumerism, and mass modern entertainment of all kind.

    Perk, I do these things so I am like the Baptist preacher that drinks whiskey before an anti-alcohol sermon and later sleeps with the organist (his wife’s younger sister) after railing the congregation for extramarital sex.

    Anyway I am working on reducing these horrible indulgences that sometimes feel so good.

  27. Perk Earl on Fri, 23rd Jan 2015 7:10 pm 

    Oh, that kind of practice what you preach. Believe me everybody finds their sources of fun. Well, I guess that’s the point, were still evolving – lol.

  28. Edward Boyle on Sat, 24th Jan 2015 12:03 pm 

    http://www.counter-currents.com/2015/01/oswald-spengler-and-the-faustian-soul-of-the-west-part-1/

    pretty good look at what is wrong with our culture.

  29. R1verat on Sat, 24th Jan 2015 4:09 pm 

    Very pertinent article & good comments! I actually ALMOST had to agree with even Mak until the inevitable comment about American sheeple. Mak “sheeple” live everywhere, not just in the US but understand you just had to work that in for thats just you. Guess I just resent your comments for I don’t see myself in any of the descriptions you have of all US residents. And I do try to examine myself with an unjaded eye.

    I would imagine shifting one’s life from BAU & the “American way of Life” (whatever that is nowadays) would always be hard. Living a Native American life in today’s society is hard enough. I’ve never been able to do this, despite decades of trying.

    My sincere thanks to you all for the insightful comments on this dilemma!

  30. FriedrichKling on Sun, 25th Jan 2015 3:21 am 

    Perk Earl-

    Update to Fordlandia: The natural environment did not reconquer the abandoned project for long as the area now consists of marginal cattle ranching.

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