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John Michael Greer: Perched on the Wheel of Time
There’s a curious predictability in the comments I field in response to posts here that talk about the likely shape of the future. The conventional wisdom of our era insists that modern industrial society can’t possibly undergo the same life cycle of rise and fall as every other civilization in history; no, no, there’s got to be some unique future awaiting us—uniquely splendid or uniquely horrible, it doesn’t even seem to matter that much, so long as it’s unique. Since I reject that conventional wisdom, my dissent routinely fields pushback from those of my readers who embrace it.
That’s not surprising in the least, of course. What’s surprising is that the pushback doesn’t surface when the conventional wisdom seems to be producing accurate predictions, as it does now and then. Rather, it shows up like clockwork whenever the conventional wisdom fails.
The present situation is as good an example as any. The basis of my dissident views is the theory of cyclical history—the theory, first proposed in the early 18th century by the Italian historian Giambattista Vico and later refined and developed by such scholars as Oswald Spengler and Arnold Toynbee, that civilizations rise and fall in a predictable life cycle, regardless of scale or technological level. That theory’s not just a vague generalization, either; each of the major writers on the subject set out specific stages that appear in order, showed that these have occurred in all past civilizations, and made detailed, falsifiable predictions about how those stages can be expected to occur in our civilization. Have those panned out? So far, a good deal more often than not.
In the final chapters of his second volume, for example, Spengler noted that civilizations in the stage ours was about to reach always end up racked by conflicts that pit established hierarchies against upstart demagogues who rally the disaffected and transform them into a power base. Looking at the trends visible in his own time, he sketched out the most likely form those conflicts would take in the Winter phase of our civilization. Modern representative democracy, he pointed out, has no effective defenses against corruption by wealth, and so could be expected to evolve into corporate-bureaucratic plutocracies that benefit the affluent at the expense of everyone else. Those left out in the cold by these transformations, in turn, end up backing what Spengler called Caesarism—the rise of charismatic demagogues who challenge and eventually overturn the corporate-bureaucratic order.
These demagogues needn’t come from within the excluded classes, by the way. Julius Caesar, the obvious example, came from an old upper-class Roman family and parlayed his family connections into a successful political career. Watchers of the current political scene may be interested to know that Caesar during his lifetime wasn’t the imposing figure he became in retrospect; he had a high shrill voice, his morals were remarkably flexible even by Roman standards—the scurrilous gossip of his time called him “every man’s wife and every woman’s husband”—and he spent much of his career piling up huge debts and then wriggling out from under them. Yet he became the political standardbearer for the plebeian classes, and his assassination by a conspiracy of rich Senators launched the era of civil wars that ended the rule of the old elite once and for all.
Thus those people watching the political scene last year who knew their way around Spengler, and noticed that a rich guy had suddenly broken with the corporate-bureaucratic consensus and called for changes that would benefit the excluded classes at the expense of the affluent, wouldn’t have had to wonder what was happening, or what the likely outcome would be. It was those who insisted on linear models of history—for example, the claim that the recent ascendancy of modern liberalism counted as the onward march of progress, and therefore was by definition irreversible—who found themselves flailing wildly as history took a turn they considered unthinkable.
The rise of Caesarism, by the way, has other features I haven’t mentioned. As Spengler sketches out the process, it also represents the exhaustion of ideology and its replacement by personality. Those of my readers who watched the political scene over the last few years may have noticed the way that the issues have been sidelined by sweeping claims about the supposed personal qualities of candidates. The practically content-free campaign that swept Barack Obama into the presidency in 2008—“Hope,” “Change,” and “Yes We Can” aren’t statements about issues, you know—was typical of this stage, as was the emergence of competing personality cults around the candidates in the 2016 election. In the ordinary way of things, we can expect even more of this in elections to come, with messianic hopes clustering around competing politicians until the point of absurdity is well past. These will then implode, and the political process collapse into a raw scramble for power at any cost.
There’s plenty more in Spengler’s characterization of the politics of the Winter phase, and all of it’s well represented in today’s headlines, but the rest can be left to those of my readers interested enough to turn the pages of The Decline of the West for themselves. What I’d like to discuss here is the nature of the pushback I tend to field when I point out that yet again, predictions offered by Spengler and other students of cyclic history turned out to be correct and those who dismissed them turned out to be smoking their shorts. The responses I field are as predictable as—well, the arrival of charismatic demagogues at a certain point in the Winter phase, for example—and they reveal some useful flimpses into the value, or lack of it, of our society’s thinking about the future in this turn of the wheel.
Probably the most common response I get can best be characterized as simple incantation: that is to say, the repetition of some brief summary of the conventional wisdom, usually without a shred of evidence or argument backing it up, as though the mere utterance is enough to disprove all other ideas. It’s a rare week when I don’t get at least one comment along these lines, and they divide up roughly evenly between those that insist that progress will inevitably triumph over all its obstacles, on the one hand, and those that insist that modern industrial civilization will inevitably crash to ruin in a sudden cataclysmic downfall on the other. I tend to think of this as a sort of futurological fundamentalism along the lines of “pop culture said it, I believe it, that settles it,” and it’s no more useful, or for that matter interesting, than fundamentalism of any other sort.
A little less common and a little more interesting are a second class of arguments, which insist that I can’t dismiss the possibility that something might pop up out of the blue to make things different this time around. As I pointed out very early on in the history of this blog, these are examples of the classic logical fallacy of argumentum ad ignorantiam, the argument from ignorance. They bring in some factor whose existence and relevance is unknown, and use that claim to insist that since the conventional wisdom can’t be disproved, it must be true.
Arguments from ignorance are astonishingly common these days. My readers may have noticed, for example, that every few years some new version of nuclear power gets trotted out as the answer to our species’ energy needs. From thorium fission plants to Bussard fusion reactors to helium-3 from the Moon, they all have one thing in common: nobody’s actually built a working example, and so it’s possible for their proponents to insist that their pet technology will lack the galaxy of technical and economic problems that have made every existing form of nuclear power uneconomical without gargantuan government subsidies. That’s an argument from ignorance: since we haven’t built one yet, it’s impossible to be absolutely certain that they’ll have the usual cascading cost overruns and the rest of it, and therefore their proponents can insist that those won’t happen this time. Prove them wrong!
More generally, it’s impressive how many people can look at the landscape of dysfunctional technology and failed promises that surrounds us today and still insist that the future won’t be like that. Most of us have learned already that upgrades on average have fewer benefits and more bugs than the programs they replace, and that products labeled “new and improved” may be new but they’re rarely improved; it’s starting to sink in that most new technologies are simply more complicated and less satisfactory ways of doing things that older technologies did at least as well at a lower cost. Try suggesting this as a general principle, though, and I promise you that plenty of people will twist themselves mentally into pretzel shapes trying to avoid the implication that progress has passed its pull date.
Even so, there’s a very simple answer to all such arguments, though in the nature of such things it’s an answer that only speaks to those who aren’t too obsessively wedded to the conventional wisdom. None of the arguments from ignorance I’ve mentioned are new; all of them have been tested repeatedly by events, and they’ve failed. I’ve lost track of the number of times I’ve been told, for example, that the economic crisis du jour could lead to the sudden collapse of the global economy, or that the fashionable energy technology du jour could lead to a new era of abundant energy. No doubt they could, at least in theory, but the fact remains that they don’t.
It so happens that there are good reasons why they don’t, varying from case to case, but that’s actually beside the point I want to make here. This particular version of the argument from ignorance is also an example of the fallacy the old logicians called petitio principii, better known as “begging the question.” Imagine, by way of counterexample, that someone were to post a comment saying, “Nobody knows what the future will be like, so the future you’ve predicted is as likely as any other.” That would be open to debate, since there’s some reason to think we can in fact predict some things about the future, but at least it would follow logically from the premise. Still, I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone make that claim. Nor have I ever seen anybody claim that since nobody knows what the future will be like, say, we can’t assume that progress is going to continue.
In practice, rather, the argument from ignorance is applied to discussions of the future in a distinctly one-sided manner. Predictions based on any point of view other than the conventional wisdom of modern popular culture are dismissed with claims that it might possibly be different this time, while predictions based on the conventional wisdom of modern popular culture are spared that treatment. That’s begging the question: covertly assuming that one side of an argument must be true unless it’s disproved, and that the other side can’t be true unless it’s proved.
Now in fact, a case can be made that we can in fact know quite a bit about the shape of the future, at least in its broad outlines. The heart of that case, as already noted, is the fact that certain theories about the future do in fact make accurate predictions, while others don’t. This in itself shows that history isn’t random—that there’s some structure to the flow of historical events that can be figured out by learning from the past, and that similar causes at work in similar situations will have similar outcomes. Apply that reasoning to any other set of phenomena, and you’ve got the ordinary, uncontroversial basis for the sciences. It’s only when it’s applied to the future that people balk, because it doesn’t promise them the kind of future they want.
The argument by incantation and the argument from ignorance make up most of the pushback I get. I’m pleased to say, though, that every so often I get an argument that’s considerably more original than these. One of those came in last week—tip of the archdruidical hat to DoubtingThomas—and it’s interesting enough that it deserves a detailed discussion.
DoubtingThomas began with the standard argument from ignorance, claiming that it’s always possible that something might possibly happen to disrupt the cyclic patterns of history in any given case, and therefore the cyclic theory should be dismissed no matter how many accurate predictions it scored. As we’ve already seen, this is handwaving, but let’s move on. He went on from there to argue that much of the shape of history is defined by the actions of unique individuals such as Isaac Newton, whose work sends the world careening along entirely new and unpredicted paths. Such individuals have appeared over and over again in history, he pointed out, and was kind enough to suggest that my activities here on The Archdruid Report were, in a small way, another example of the influence of an individual on history. Given that reality, he insisted, a theory of history that didn’t take the actions of unique individuals into account was invalid.
Fair enough; let’s consider that argument. Does the cyclic theory of history fail to take the actions of unique individuals into account?
Here again, Oswald Spengler’s The Decline of the West is the go-to source, because he’s dealt with the sciences and arts to a much greater extent than other researchers into historical cycles. What he shows, with a wealth of examples drawn from the rise and fall of many different civilizations, is that the phenomenon DoubtingThomas describes is a predictable part of the cycles of history. In every generation, in effect, a certain number of geniuses will be born, but their upbringing, the problems that confront them, and the resources they will have available to solve those problems, are not theirs to choose. All these things are produced by the labors of other creative minds of the past and present, and are profoundly influenced by the cycles of history.
Let’s take Isaac Newton as an example. He happened to be born just as the scientific revolution was beginning to hit its stride, but before it had found its paradigm, the set of accomplishments on which all future scientific efforts would be directly or indirectly modeled. His impressive mathematical and scientific gifts thus fastened onto the biggest unsolved problem of the time—the relationship between the physics of moving bodies sketched out by Galileo and the laws of planetary motion discovered by Kepler—and resulted in the Principia Mathematica, which became the paradigm for the next three hundred years or so of scientific endeavor.
Had he been born a hundred years earlier, none of those preparations would have been in place, and the Principia Mathematica wouldn’t have been possible. Given the different cultural attitudes of the century before Newton’s time, in fact, he would almost certainly become a theologian rather than a mathematician and physicist—as it was, he spent much of his career engaged in theology, a detail usually left out by the more hagiographical of his biographers—and he would be remembered today only by students of theological history. Had he been born a century later, equally, some other great scientific achievement would have provided the paradigm for emerging science—my guess is that it would have been Edmund Halley’s successful prediction of the return of the comet that bears his name—and Newton would have had the same sort of reputation that Karl Friedrich Gauss has today: famous in his field, sure, but a household name? Not a chance.
What makes the point even more precise is that every other civilization from which adequate records survive had its own paradigmatic thinker, the figure whose achievements provided a model for the dawning age of reason and for whatever form of rational thought became that age’s principal cultural expression. In the classical world, for example, it was Pythagoras, who invented the word “philosophy” and whose mathematical discoveries gave classical rationalism its central theme, the idea of an ideal mathematical order to which the hurly-burly of the world of appearances must somehow be reduced. (Like Newton, by the way, Pythagoras was more than half a theologian; it’s a common feature of figures who fill that role.)
To take the same argument to a far more modest level, what about DoubtingThomas’ claim that The Archdruid Report represents the act of a unique individual influencing the course of history? Here again, a glance at history shows otherwise. I’m a figure of an easily recognizable type, which shows up reliably as each civilization’s Age of Reason wanes and it begins moving toward what Spengler called the Second Religiosity, the resurgence of religion that inevitably happens in the wake of rationalism’s failure to deliver on its promises. At such times you get intellectuals who can communicate fluently on both sides of the chasm between rationalism and religion, and who put together syntheses of various kinds that reframe the legacies of the Age of Reason so that they can be taken up by emergent religious movements and preserved for the future.
In the classical world, for example, you got Iamblichus of Chalcis, who stepped into the gap between Greek philosophical rationalism and the burgeoning Second Religiosity of late classical times, and figured out how to make philosophy, logic, and mathematics appealing to the increasingly religious temper of his time. He was one of many such figures, and it was largely because of their efforts that the religious traditions that ended up taking over the classical world—Christianity to the north of the Mediterranean, and Islam to the south—got over their early anti-intellectual streak so readily and ended up preserving so much of the intellectual heritage of the past.
That sort of thing is a worthwhile task, and if I can contribute to it I’ll consider this life well spent. That said, there’s nothing unique about it. What’s more, it’s only possible and meaningful because I happen to be perched on this particular arc of the wheel of time, when our civilization’s Age of Reason is visibly crumbling and the Second Religiosity is only beginning to build up a head of steam. A century earlier or a century later, I’d have faced some different tasks.
All of this presupposes a relationship between the individual and human society that fits very poorly with the unthinking prejudices of our time. That’s something that Spengler grappled with in his book, too; it’s going to take a long sojourn in some very unfamiliar realms of thought to make sense of what he had to say, but that can’t be helped.
We really are going to have to talk about philosophy, aren’t we? We’ll begin that stunningly unfashionable discussion next week.
The Archdruid Report by John Michael Greer
34 Comments on "John Michael Greer: Perched on the Wheel of Time"
Apneaman on Thu, 2nd Feb 2017 9:16 am
OK wizard. Thing is that the humans are fast approaching climate change that is above and beyond anything any civilization has ever dealt with and shortly after that anything the humans have ever seen, so the long decline might be faster than previously expected.
The worst forest fires in Chile’s history have now destroyed more than a million acres of land – video
http://www.businessinsider.com/chiles-worst-forest-fires-history-wildfire-acre-land-hectares-2017-1
Worst wildfires in Chile’s history continue to burn
“As of Jan. 31, there were 111 active fires ongoing throughout the country. More than 1.4 million acres have been burned since July 1 of 2016 with most occurring in the last two months.
This is a 4,500-5,000 percent increase from the 2015-2016 wildfire season.”
http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-blogs/international/worst-wildfires-in-chiles-history-continue-to-burn/70000726
What will it be like trying to fight these mega AGW jacked wildfires after the energy crunch(s) come? Take a look at that guy in the video above.
747 SuperTanker en route to assist with wildfires in Chile
http://fireaviation.com/2017/01/24/747-supertanker-en-route-to-assist-with-wildfires-in-chile/
penury on Thu, 2nd Feb 2017 9:33 am
I agree that no one can accurately predict the future. However, I do not think climate change, over population and the extinction events going on fall into “forecast” or “prediction” categories. It is like predicting that the sun will rise and the wind will blow. We may miss the time frame (badly). But the events will occur.
Cloggie on Thu, 2nd Feb 2017 9:42 am
Massive verbal fight in European Parliament between globalists and populists (Verhofstadt vs Farage, in English):
http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/2017/02/trump_trump_trump_trump_trump_trump.html
Subject: Donald Trump.
pointer on Thu, 2nd Feb 2017 3:56 pm
“We may miss the time frame (badly). But the events will occur.”
It would seem JMG agrees:
“…a case can be made that we can in fact know quite a bit about the shape of the future, at least in its broad outlines.”
Ghung on Thu, 2nd Feb 2017 5:22 pm
The orbits of planets and moons are “cyclic”. With a few minor variations their “futures” can be predicted quite accurately, at least until some celestial event like a collision with another heavenly body changes things dramatically. In nature, cycles, indeed, get broken.
Spengler, et al, didn’t know much about nuclear weapons, and I posit that they are one of the “known unknowns” that could quickly and finally break the cycle of history that Greer and others consider generally permanent.
This isn’t an “argument from ignorance”, just because it hasn’t happened yet.
makati1 on Thu, 2nd Feb 2017 5:35 pm
Ghung, I agree with you. JMG seems to believe that there will be a less energy intensive world to live in after the … whatever you want to call it … event. I hope he is correct, but I doubt it. We may be traveling a road similar to those in the past, but TPTB never had the ability to destroy all life on earth in less than an hour as we do now. Insanity seems to be rampant at the top.
Would Hitler have used nukes if he had them? We will never know, but it is likely when he knew he was losing, he would have. Ditto for today. We have a number of ‘Hitlers’ in nuclear armed countries today. Will one of them push the button? The first of many fast nuclear ‘dominoes’. We shall see.
Apneaman on Thu, 2nd Feb 2017 7:16 pm
I luvs me some Chris Hedges sermon/rants
American Psychosis
“Demagogues always infect the governed with their own psychosis.”
“The lies fly out of the White House like flocks of pigeons: Donald Trump’s election victory was a landslide. He had the largest inauguration crowds in American history. Three million to 5 million undocumented immigrants voted illegally. Climate change is a hoax. Vaccines cause autism. Immigrants are carriers of “[t]remendous infectious disease.” The election was rigged—until it wasn’t. We don’t know “who really knocked down” the World Trade Center. Torture works. Mexico will pay for the wall. Conspiracy theories are fact. Scientific facts are conspiracies. America will be great again.”
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/american_psychosis_20170129
Apneaman on Thu, 2nd Feb 2017 7:24 pm
Living in an Unreal World A Film By Adam Curtis – 5min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtjfoEvsR9w
Davy on Thu, 2nd Feb 2017 8:02 pm
“House Votes To Overturn Obama Gun Rule Banning Sales To The Mentally Impaired”
http://tinyurl.com/h4cm5ed
There you go boys, open up them gun stores up to them there crazies. This country just dove off the friggen cliff into the abyss of insanity. I am wondering how quickly things are going to escalate now that we are in the surreal blur of the bizarre.
Davy on Fri, 3rd Feb 2017 5:47 am
Meanwhile over in makatiland Trumps nationalism is set to do some hurting. Don’t worry anti-Americans this is a boomerang.
China Suffers Largest Capital Outflow On Record In 2016 (And It’s About To Get Worse)
http://tinyurl.com/hc6rurw
“With the Yuan suffering its largest annual decline ever and avenues for capital flight surging in value (Vancouver homes and virtual currencies), it is perhaps not entirely shocking that, according to the Institute of International Finance, capital outflows from China surged last year to a record $725 billion. Furthermore, IIF warns, outflows could accelerate further if U.S. firms face political pressure to repatriate profits.”
“The yuan fell 6.5 percent against the dollar last year, the biggest ever yearly fall, and with capital controls (or suggestions of them) being implemented almost weekly (here, here, and here most recently), it is perhaps no surprise than Bitcoin (one escape valve) has been resurgent in the last few days (amid Golden Week holiday celebrations).”
“As Reuters continues, The IIF estimated China outflows at a heavy $95 billion in December and noted that a rise in protectionism, especially in the United States after the election of President Donald Trump, could exacerbate the situation.”
Cloggie on Fri, 3rd Feb 2017 6:00 am
“With the Yuan suffering its largest annual decline ever and avenues for capital flight surging in value (Vancouver homes…
Some would call it “capital flight”, others would call it Chinese colonization of Canada.
After 1492 there was a large “capital flight” from Europe to the Americas that lasted until 1783.
Cloggie on Fri, 3rd Feb 2017 6:15 am
Canada, 36 million inhabitants, is a country that is bigger than both China (1350 m) and the USA (330 m), 77% European and rapidly declining. That’s what you get if you decriminalize feminism and on top of that deify economic values like increasing GDP.
Where the US is closing its borders, Canada has decided, or rather its airhead “elite” [*], that it wants to be a rainbow country with ever more people. They won’t come from Europe anymore (perhaps start another war there?). Fortunately there is a new endless reservoir: China.
Last year 305,000 came (1% of the population!), but that number should be topped this year:
https://redice.tv/news/305-000-more-chinese-for-canada
[*] – http://tinyurl.com/hcsrq96
Bye bye European Canada.
Davy on Fri, 3rd Feb 2017 6:17 am
Not to be outdone by China or Europe. OOPs, techno’s here goes your dreams up in smoke.
“Irreversible Damage – The U.S. Economy Cannot Be Repaired”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-02/irreversible-damage-us-economy-cannot-be-repaired
“As I outlined in my article ‘The False Economic Narrative Will Die In 2017’, the mainstream media has been carefully crafting the propaganda meme that the Trump administration is inheriting a global economy in “ascension,” when in fact, the opposite is true. Trump enters office at a time of longstanding decline and will likely witness severe and accelerated decline over the course of the next year. The signs are already present, and this fits exactly with the basis for my prediction of the Trump election win – conservative movements are indeed being set up as scapegoats for a global economic crisis that international financiers actually created.”
“With the speed at which Trump is issuing executive orders, my concern is that people’s heads will be spinning so fast they will start to assume an appearance of economic progress. Here is the issue — some problems simply cannot be fixed, at least not in a top down fashion. Some disasters cannot be prevented. Sometimes, a crisis has to run its course before a nation or society or economy can return to stability. This is invariably true of the underlying crisis within the U.S. economy.”
“Government Does Not Create Wealth
Interdependency Is Hard To Break
Manufacturing Takes Time To Rebuild
Solutions Start With The Citizenry, Not Washington”
His story is story on the economy is good but I don’t buy into his ending with global conspiracies but who knows why else would they call them conspiracies. If it works it won’t be because of their conspiracies and in the end their conspiracies will leave them hungry because there will be no rebuilding this world in their image.
Apneaman on Fri, 3rd Feb 2017 7:57 am
Survival of the
fittestmost adaptable.The future is mixed-race
And so is the past. Migration and mingling are essential to human success in the past, the present and into the future
“International migration has reached record highs, as has the number of interracial marriages, leading to a surge of multiracial people such as Shewmake. While genetic differences between human populations do not fall neatly along racial lines, race nevertheless provides insight into the extent of population hybridisation currently underway. This reshuffling of human populations is affecting the very structure of the human gene pool.”
“Biological adaptation is a result of natural selection, and natural selection requires diversity”
https://aeon.co/essays/the-future-is-mixed-race-and-thats-a-good-thing-for-humanity
This would only be true if the humans actually had a future – they don’t.
Apneaman on Fri, 3rd Feb 2017 8:02 am
Rain-Bombs keep falling on their heads…..
In Peru, droughts give way to floods as climate change looms
“evere droughts gripping Peru have given way to some of the country’s most devastating downpours in decades, catching authorities off guard as they scramble to contain the kind of floods that climate change is expected to make more frequent.
At least 20 people have died in rain-related events in Peru in recent weeks, including six miners buried under a landslide in southern Peru, said Juber Ruiz, with Peru’s civil defense institute, on Thursday.
Rivers bursting their banks have pushed thousands from their homes and clogged water treatment plants with rocks and debris – forcing authorities to restrict water use in the capital Lima and Peru’s second-biggest city, Arequipa.”
“Although the downpours have hit Peru during its traditional “landslide season,” this year they have been much more intense and have fallen over a broader swath of Peru, Ruiz said.”
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN15H2YR
Apneaman on Fri, 3rd Feb 2017 8:05 am
Rain-Bombs keep falling on their crops….
Supermarkets ration lettuces as bad weather hits supplies
Some retailers restrict lettuce sales to three per customer after crops in Spain were destroyed by torrential rain.
“The vast majority of the UK’s vegetables come from the city of Murcia in southeastern Spain during the winter months.
But severe flooding and freezing conditions have damaged farms across the region – causing millions of euros worth of damage and leaving the ground too soaked to grow new crops.
Price rises are possible if the weather does not improve soon, and some healthy eaters have already complained that the cost of an iceberg lettuce has nearly tripled in recent weeks.”
http://news.sky.com/story/supermarkets-ration-lettuces-as-bad-weather-hits-supplies-10753962
Apneaman on Fri, 3rd Feb 2017 8:10 am
Death Rates For Young, White Americans Increased From 1999 To 2014
http://acsh.org/news/2017/02/01/death-rates-young-white-americans-increased-1999-2014-10812
I wonder if the introduction of new and beneficial genes would help them adapt to the changing cultural and natural environment? Ahhhh, it don’t matter at this point. Extinct yourself now and beat the rush.
Davy on Fri, 3rd Feb 2017 8:12 am
Another reason this wall is talk and will not get built except maybe in sections:
“Taking the Land for the Wall Will Be a Nightmare”
http://tinyurl.com/hp6mse7
“To build his border wall, President Trump will first have to go through the second hole of the River Bend Resort & Golf Club in Brownsville, Texas. The course, on 135 acres, is so close to the U.S.-Mexico border that the Rio Grande keeps the fairway green, and Border Patrol agents congregate near the clubhouse to nab drug smugglers trying to slip through. “On some of these holes you can hit a power fade and your ball needs a passport because it goes into Mexico,”
“Along with a potential lack of concrete and documented construction workers, one of the main hurdles Trump will face is the use of eminent domain—taking land from private owners for public use. Federal and tribal lands make up only one-third of the 2,000-mile southern border, according to the U.S. Government Accountability Office. Private and state-owned lands constitute the rest, primarily in Texas. Using eminent domain to build a wall could lead to costly, time-consuming negotiations, potentially with hundreds of private landowners. “They’re going to have to deal with guys like us,” says Mark Barnard.”
Cloggie on Fri, 3rd Feb 2017 8:23 am
The future is mixed-race
Soros bot Friday wants the whole world to become like Brasil, just like George, so the “banksters” can rule supreme.
And there is of course a reason for that, Friday is mixed race himself. That’s the reason why he is constantly agitating against white people and at the same time refusing to reveal his own ancestry. We should all become like him. [vomit]
Because if he did, it would be clear for all to see that he is busy waging ethnic warfare (against whites). But he doesn’t want to admit that, so he keeps quiet about his (non-white) background to create an illusion of “objective superior morality”.
In reality Friday is a sniper.
I wonder how a Ukrainian Eskimo looks like.
This article from a patriotic America-First source describes what inevitably is going to happen to North-America:
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/01/jack-perry/seeds-secession/
People from all corners of the globe prefer to be among their own kind. In Amsterdam, the city of hard-core liberal-lefties, it is common for pregnant women to chase to white schools to ensure that their future children will be on that all-white school. And at night in the cafe they will continue to agitate against “racism”. Theory and practice are two different things.
To cheer up my natural buddies in North-America: I am from a small country and I loved to have grown up in a small country with Dutch people just like me. Big countries suck.
The involuntarily membership of the Soros-empire a.k.a. the “Free West” since 1945 is gradually destroying the fabric of our society, so it is time for a little Dutch secession of our own.
I hope we don’t have to wait until 2025, as Pat Buchanan predicts.
And the first thing we are going to do when that glorious moment will arrive is plowing under all these war graves of “Canadian liberators” and dump a lot of cow dung on it.
Davy on Fri, 3rd Feb 2017 8:28 am
Putin’s Bannon:
“The One Russian Linking Putin, Erdogan and Trump”
http://tinyurl.com/zt9h3ay
“He’s seen as a brilliant philosopher, but brilliance and madness are very close to each other.”
“The Russian ultra-nationalist dubbed “Putin’s Rasputin” by Breitbart News when it was run by President Donald Trump’s chief strategist, Steve Bannon, has emerged as an unlikely foreign-policy fixer for the Kremlin.”
“For Dugin, whose views on the evils of liberalism have been cited by Bannon and other far-right leaders, it also moved Russia a step closer to fulfilling his vision of unwinding the U.S.-led global order, in part by luring Turkey away from NATO and creating a “Russo-Islamic pact” that includes Iran.”
“Dugin, who has long predicted the demise of “the West’s liberal hegemony,” said the election of Trump has been a watershed development that promises to change the course of world history. “Incredibly beautiful—one of the best moments of my life,” he said after Trump’s inauguration. After decades of railing against Washington for seeking the “Westernization of all of humanity,” Trump’s elevation has led to a Damascene conversion for Dugin, who declared anti-Americanism “over. “America not only isn’t an opponent, it’s a potential ally under Trump,” he said. Now Dugin’s focusing on Europe, where he’s been cultivating ties with anti-establishment parties that threaten a political and military union seven decades in the making. With key elections in France, Germany and the Netherlands this year, the Russian polemicist has a new mantra for Europe that’s ripped straight out of Trump’s campaign playbook: “Drain the swamp.”
Davy on Fri, 3rd Feb 2017 8:35 am
Clog, Ape has described himself much like me 6 foot 2 inches blond, blue eyes. I have a beard not sure about the Ape. I work out and I am in shape. Not sure about Ape. He is definitely not your typical Eskimo more like an Aryan knight you so love to admire. He chain smokes and love’s ice cream. I guess those cancel out so he may or may not be fat?
Apneaman on Fri, 3rd Feb 2017 8:36 am
White Supremacist Richard Spencer Hails Trump’s ‘de-Judaification’ of Holocaust
The leader of the so-called ‘alt-right’ dismisses criticism of Trump’s Holocaust Day statement that left out Jews as ‘kvetching.’
“For Richard Spencer, the leading ideologue of the so-called “alt-right,” Donald Trump’s Holocaust Remembrance Day statement that failed to mention Jews or anti-Semitism was an important, perhaps revolutionary, step.
Spencer dubbed it the “de-Judaification” of the Holocaust.
Jewish activists, Spencer wrote in a short post for his new website Altright.com, have long insisted on making the Holocaust “all about their meta-narrative of suffering” and a way to “undergird their peculiar position in American society.”
http://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.768982
http://www.altright.com/2017/01/29/because-hitler/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3064dD-qGQ
Cloggie on Fri, 3rd Feb 2017 8:46 am
Ape has described himself much like me 6 foot 2 inches blond, blue eyes.
So it is true?
Yeah he also claims that he has a lot of strangulation sex with women lining up. I think he lives with his mother and only f* his mother’s sofa. And the last time he had real sex, it was in jail as Bubba’s bride.
My life wisdom is: if it sounds like a duck… etc., chances are it is a duck.
Cloggie on Fri, 3rd Feb 2017 9:00 am
Merkel visits Erdogan, who breaks with every rule in the protocol book:
http://www.pi-news.net/2017/02/erdogan-zu-merkel-islam-bedeutet-frieden/
(two Turkish flags)
Subliminal message: Germany is now part of the Islamic Ummah too, or so he hopes.
Cloggie on Fri, 3rd Feb 2017 9:07 am
White Supremacist Richard Spencer Hails Trump’s ‘de-Judaification’ of Holocaust
The sinister Ben Gurion in London in 1945, before the beginning of Nuremberg:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2Ae8T0FmFg
He already claims to know what had happened.
Newspaper clips decades before WW2:
http://tinyurl.com/hx26bf4
Let it sink in and conclude.
First we had the intentional Anglo-Soviet destruction of Europe, next we had Nuremberg and now we have the internet. ROFL
Beer and pop corn, this is going to be good!
Apneaman on Fri, 3rd Feb 2017 9:22 am
Davy, I’m down to 5′ 11” ish. I guess I’ve shrunk an inch since the height of my height and yes, I am an aryan poster boy. Even my eyebrows are blond and I too sport a beard – fuck grooming eh? Well Davy, so much for clog being the european gentleman huh? See how easily I got him to step in the gutter and spit venom? And all before I finished my first coffee. He seems to be especially repressed and disgusted about human sexuality for someone who comes from the most Liberal country in the world where you can window shop for whores.
Clogslum, for a guy who claims to be atheist you sure have a lot of protestant hangups.
Apneaman on Fri, 3rd Feb 2017 9:30 am
Cancer monkey tribalism VS Physics
Which one will decide the fate of the humans?
‘Watching with bated breath’: Massive iceberg set to break off Antarctic ice shelf
“It’s the crack that’s captivating the world. A 110-mile-long rift in an Antarctic ice shelf promises to eventually shear off and create a massive iceberg larger than Rhode Island.
For now, it’s fascinating scientists, gamblers and the public worldwide. Everyone wants to know when part of the Larsen C ice shelf will finally break off, fundamentally changing the landscape of the Antarctic Peninsula.”
http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2017/02/02/antarctica-larsen-c-ice-shelf-crack/97402418/
Cloggie on Fri, 3rd Feb 2017 9:45 am
Davy, I’m down to 5′ 11” ish.
Like Davy I also remember you bragging about being 6 foot+.
So you naively admit that you have been lying again, probably because you forgot your lies (early dementia setting in). And obviously you lied about the rest as well.
Cloggie on Fri, 3rd Feb 2017 9:49 am
‘Watching with bated breath’: Massive iceberg set to break off Antarctic ice shelf
It’s about time. The total ice mass still grows:
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum
We don’t want the planet to become wobbly due to too much asymmetric ice buildup and experience another “2012”-style global flood:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA3ItiGX5Q4
Cloggie on Fri, 3rd Feb 2017 9:52 am
Should have posted this link:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/11/151103-antarctic-ice-growing-shrinking-glaciers-climate-change/
Scientists concluded in the Journal of Glaciology that the loss of glacier mass in Antarctica’s western region is being offset by thickening of glaciers on the continent’s eastern interior, which has experienced increased snowfall. The result: A net gain of about 100 billion tons of ice per year, according to the report.
(There are others who disagree with NASA)
Sissyfuss on Fri, 3rd Feb 2017 11:20 am
Cloggerand, the Antarctic is an ancillary player in GW. The Artic is warming exponentially faster the rest of the warming world are there are mitigating phenomena concerning the Antarctic. One factor is that most of the pollution is originated in the Northern Hemisphere and another is your use of strawmen to distract from the primary threats that grow greater with each new auto placed on a Chinese road. The human derived heat will arrive in due time in the South but we in the North will be too engrossed in panic and chaos to notice.
GregT on Fri, 3rd Feb 2017 11:33 am
Earlier this week, the snow that began accumulating at the end of November finally showed signs of going away. We still had about six inches or so left in many areas. Things were looking green again, the birds were starting to return (in January?), and we finally traded our snow boots in for hiking shoes. Woke up this morning to two inches of fresh snow, and it is expected to continue for the next several days. Last year at this time the flowers will still blooming from the summer (drought) before.
So much for that old stable climate that we’ve become accustomed to. Welcome to the new norm of climatic instability.
Welcome to the rest of our lives.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0NrS2L6KcE
GregT on Fri, 3rd Feb 2017 11:45 am
“Operation IceBridge is particularly well suited to measure changes in polar ice: it carries probably the most innovative and precise package of instruments ever flown over Antarctica”
“This campaign was possibly the best Antarctic campaign IceBridge has ever had,” said John Sonntag, IceBridge mission scientist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland. “We flew as many flights as we did in our best prior campaigns down here, and we certainly got more science return out of each flight than we have before, due to steadily improving instrumentation and also to some exceptionally good weather in the Weddell Sea that favored our sea ice flights.”
“IceBridge expanded its reach this year, covering a vast swath of Antarctica – from the Ruppert Coast in West Antarctica to Recovery Glacier in the eastern half of the continent, plus the Weddell and Bellingshausen seas. Additionally, IceBridge flew twice over the South Pole, an area rarely measured since satellites don’t overfly it.”
“Antarctica is heading into austral summer, a period of rapid sea ice melt in the Southern Ocean. But this year the sea ice loss has been particularly swift and the Antarctic sea ice extent is currently at the lowest level for this time of year ever recorded in the satellite record, which began in 1979.”
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/nasa-nears-finish-line-of-annual-study-of-changing-antarctic-ice
Sounds like those who still disagree with NASA need some better instrumentation, or perhaps any instrumentation at all.
Antius on Fri, 3rd Feb 2017 2:46 pm
There is a reason why people do not like to think about this cyclical civilisation stuff. Because it is a seriously depressing idea. Why work hard, educate your children or make any effort at all in life if in 50 years we are back in the dark ages? Lets concentrate on making damn sure that doesn’t happen. There is just no point in embracing these sorts of ideas. People just don’t want to hear about it. For very understandable reasons.