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Fourth Turning: The Shadow Of Crisis Has Not Passed

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Jim Quinn via The Burning Platform blog



10 Comments on "Fourth Turning: The Shadow Of Crisis Has Not Passed"

  1. ghung on Sat, 14th Feb 2015 8:44 am 

    Gosh, not much said about widespread and devastating environmental degradation and climate disruption which will be a primary driver of all of the scenarios considered. IMO, the fifth, and most likely, “forth turning” will be some combination of the other four resulting in a dramatically reduced population of all things with small groups of humans left to adapt to few resources and an unfriendly environment, scrounging for survival; likely leading to a new model of Homo-something-or-another.

  2. Makati1 on Sat, 14th Feb 2015 8:52 am 

    This will likely be the last “Forth Turning” experienced by homo sapiens. I don’t see us existing ~80 years from now. If we are, it will be a Forth Turning fought with rock and clubs.

  3. dave thompson on Sat, 14th Feb 2015 9:30 am 

    Another article of doom, leaving out the 460 some odd nukes around the world and the problem of catastrophic melt down with release of lethal ionized radiation, when the power grid goes down. I sound like a broken record.

  4. Apneaman on Sat, 14th Feb 2015 10:23 am 

    Sounds very Nostradamus-ish
    Bible Code-ish. Too much turning makes one dizzy.

  5. bobinget on Sat, 14th Feb 2015 11:03 am 

    Press TV, Iran’s propaganda arm is making a show of pretending Saudi motives are strictly commercial in nature, not religious or political.

    http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/02/14/397561/Iran-says-no-bad-faith-in-Saudi-oil-moves

    Dave Thompson,
    My generation grew up learning to ‘duck and cover’. I completely understand your concerns.

    It’s unlikely any nation, with the possible exception of Israel will use nuclear weapons in the next 80 years. The planet has far ‘bigger fish to fry’.

    Climate change is already causing exaggerated weather patterns that soon, like the proverbial
    ‘Black Swan’, ‘change’ the way geopolitics are played. Here’s why.

    The nearest thing we have to nuclear conflagration, Israel using conventional ‘bunker buster’ missiles to destroy Iran’s nuclear processing infrastructure, an awful prospect indeed, is nevertheless a transitory event.
    Certainly, millions will die. Israel, Iran, the region, will suffer enormous pain. However most of the world, outside the Mideast will recover, in time.

    Sea levels will keep rising. Giant, all encompassing
    drought keeps coming, storms once considered
    freakish and irregular become ‘normal’. Climate refugees flood into al;ready overcrowded cities.

    Manufacturing, farming, transportation, housing,
    healthcare… all need it adapt to the new reality.
    Geo-engineering replaces geopolitics, mankind struggles to survive.

    Watch how different nations deal with
    ‘the new climate’. Some, like in New England
    are putting up valiant fights. Boston, finds
    hundreds of new and used snowplows for instance.

    How will 20 million residents of Sao Paolo, Brazil
    cope with No Water? Outbreaks?
    http://outbreaknewstoday.com/brazil-drought-linked-to-surge-of-dengue-in-january-26188/

    http://www.weather.com/science/environment/news/brazil-drought-sunken-town-igarata

  6. Perk Earl on Sat, 14th Feb 2015 11:20 am 

    The .1 by and for the .1 politically and economically.

    Ever play Monopoly? Start with 4 then at some point the other 3 are paying the 4th until it’s game over. Maybe that’s the way capitalism works over the long haul. Fewer and fewer hold assets until the 99.9% revolt, and then there is a game reset and everybody starts over at the same bottom level.

    Then there’s a Rockefeller here, a Carnegie there and soon someone like Buffett admits the .1 are winning at the expense of the middle class. Being middle class should probably be seen as a perishable position, not unlike cheese exposed to air that gets rancid with time. Well for us that are middle class I suppose we had our chances while game clock was ticking and now we just need to accept our defeat.

    Defeat just in time to experience oil’s descent from peak and climate change’s weather shifts, including sea level rise to a much harsher existence, with much less available tech. to get the FF. Those are going to be some very tough people. But when push comes to shove people are like cockroaches, enduring and procreating. No extinction, just rudimentary challenges at the expense of other species and plant life.

  7. GregT on Sat, 14th Feb 2015 1:59 pm 

    One of the best articles submitted to PO.com in a while. Read it again, over and over, until it sinks in.

    Perk said:

    “Ever play Monopoly?”

    I’m sure that every single one of us here has, and we all know how the game ends. In the real world it is a little bit different, the game is being played for keeps.

  8. Go Speed Racer. on Sun, 15th Feb 2015 7:25 pm 

    I thought this was the peak oil web site. I am obviously mistaken. This is the whine and complain about everything website. Can somebody leave me a link to the peak oil website, where energy supply, energy alternatives, is discussed?

  9. Makati1 on Mon, 16th Feb 2015 12:27 am 

    Go Speed, there is nothing to say that can support a blog on one subject for very long. Peak oil is intertwined with the real world and affects ALL topics today. If there is a positive in today’s world, tell me and we can discuss it.

    If you don’t like the articles/comments here, find another blog to visit.

  10. Davy on Mon, 16th Feb 2015 6:19 am 

    Speeder, if you understand POD & ETP of oil then you proceed to the next step which is predicaments of limits of growth and diminishing returns to complexity. You start discussing collapse scenarios. It is like a spiritual journey. If you have mastered the basics you move on as a natural progression. If you like you can remain with the numbers and the clinical study of PO but since oil is a foundational commodity its supply issues are profound for the survival of globalism and BAU. I am sure you know this you are just being facetious.

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