Open Letter To: Staff of the School of Public Health,

University of Queensland, Brisbane, Australia, August 2017

From: Dr Geoffrey Chia, MBBS, MRCP, FRACP

Re: The looming Net Energy Cliff, Global Economic/Industrial collapse and Human Die-off

“infinite consumption from a finite resource base is impossible”

Dear Colleagues,

I am a Cardiologist who convened the group “doctors and scientists for sustainability and social justice” in Brisbane from 2006 to 2013 www.d3sj.org. I am writing to your department in the virtually forlorn hope that a tiny handful of you may open your eyes to the most urgent public health issue we face, which will horrifically accelerate human suffering and die-off within a decade1. The effects are already being felt in many parts of the world, masquerading as global economic recession2 or the collapse of certain Middle Eastern societies. This issue has been ignored, denied and dismissed for years by “endless growth” economists and other flat earthers, but denial does not make a problem go away. I refer to the looming catastrophic curtailment of liquid hydrocarbon fuels, the “net energy cliff” that we face in the near future, which will trigger ever more wars (perhaps even nuclear war), cause global economic and industrial collapse, and cause the die-off of billions of people worldwide.

The countries most addicted to petroleum will be hardest hit and Australia will be no exception.

Climate catastrophe is undoubtedly the greatest existential threat to humanity. Despite a huge campaign of deceit and denial perpetrated by the commercial media bankrolled by fossil fuel interests, it can no longer be ignored, now that we see ferocious firestorms burning communities to the ground or torrential floods sweeping through countries or unprecedented droughts, heat waves and storms year upon year. The horrific humanitarian consequences of sea level rise alone boggle the mind, let alone the devastation of our food bowls and other impacts3. However blinkered focus on climate disaster alone, without examining all aspects of the limits to growth, will result in everyone being blindsided by this more urgent public health issue. Especially because mitigation against climate disasters (fueling the fire fighting vehicles and aircraft, relocating and rehousing communities etc) will depend on energy we will not have. The looming collapse of industrial civilisation due to the net energy cliff will curtail fossil fuel emissions far more precipitously and effectively than any greenie campaigning or the Paris Accords can ever achieve.

Why should you listen to anything I say? Because I cite robust information and analyses from honest independent researchers (not corrupted by business interests), views based on hard mathematics and the laws of Physics, every bit as indisputable as the law of Gravity4,5,6. I have repeatedly invited scientists and engineers to try to falsify these arguments, which they have been unable to do. “Sustainability” activists frequently state that “infinite growth on a finite planet is impossible” which is absolutely true. Equally true is the fact that “infinite consumption from a finite resource base is impossible“. Our supply of “easy” oil is finite, is depleting in a non-linear fashion (net energy availability declines slowly at first, then abruptly falls off a cliff) and we cannot run industrial civilisation without it. It is a fact that we have overshot the carrying capacity of this planet and there will be hell to pay when the “easy” oil suddenly dries up and we face cold turkey withdrawal.

Contrary to the technofantasists, we have no upscalable alternatives6. Unconventional oil is a scam and those who promote it are liars or fools7,8 Current low oil prices have emboldened the peak oil deniers and led to widespread complacency. However low prices are largely due to demand destruction, not oil overproduction. Low prices do not change the reality of ongoing, relentless, terminal depletion of conventional oil.

Prior to the global financial crisis of 2008, a tiny handful of individuals who looked at the hard data predicted that a looming sudden financial crash was inevitable. The only uncertainty was the exact timing. Meanwhile the majority herd of sheeple continued to place blind faith in a fraudulent system without looking at any data. The same situation exists today with crooked financial shenanigans based on bogus claims about unconventional oils made by deceitful commercial interests8.

I expect most of you will ignore this message and bury your head in the sand.

You will only have yourself to blame when food vanishes from the supermarket shelves, mountains of garbage pile up in your neighbourhood and centrally controlled services grind to a halt with dry taps at home, unflushable toilets and failure of the electric grid6. If the impending population cull results in the die-off of stupid people, biologists will simply attribute that to natural selection at work. If you open your eyes however, you will discover how feasible it is to protect yourself and your family from the worst effects of collapse, provided you plan in advance9. But time is short. The tiny handful of you who are sapient enough to apprehend this vital reality must spread this message to other potentially sapient people and you must incorporate Peak Oil studies where they firmly belong: as an integral and essential part of the Public Health education and research curriculum. I can only speculate why so-called “centres of learning” like UQ have essentially ignored this massive elephant in the room10.

What about the risk of spooking the herd and causing a mass stampede by sending out this message? I have been a voice in the wilderness for more than a decade regarding this matter and despite meeting with and writing to politicians, doctors, scientists and engineers, have achieved no traction11. I know of only a few sapients who are truly aware of this issue, who can be counted on the fingers of an amputated hand. Richard Heinberg reckons that less than a million people worldwide actually understand how dire the near future is going to be.

It is irrelevant if the vast majority of sheeple believe that the Earth is flat. If the data and evidence show that the Earth is round, then it is round and the majority sheeple are clueless and deluded. Truth is not determined by democratic vote nor majority opinion of the masses, it is determined by objective scientific scrutiny. The herd mindset has been completely captured by trivial drivel and monumental deceit perpetrated by the establishment media (who propagated the criminal “WMDs in Iraq” lies). Those corporate lackeys dismiss realists such as myself as “alarmists”, to which I respond: if a house is on fire, those who raise the alarm are acting to save lives, but those who deny it are murderers.

Listen or don’t listen, live well or die miserably when the crunch comes, it is up to you.

G. Chia Aug 2017

65 Comments on "An Open letter to the School of Public Health, UQ, re: the looming net energy cliff"

Bug on Fri, 29th Dec 2017 1:49 pm 



Informative article, the technofantasists are the problem in my opinion. At work, I hear it endlessly, Tesla shit, drilling in the arctic and east coast will bring bagillion barrels, windmills, plastic panels for solar, and Frack oil. Plus tech people pushing we are going to mars so no problems. Anyway, the collapse will not be televised but would be interesting to watch.

Apneaman on Fri, 29th Dec 2017 2:28 pm 



“Climate catastrophe is undoubtedly the greatest existential threat to humanity. Despite a huge campaign of deceit and denial perpetrated by the commercial media bankrolled by fossil fuel interests, it can no longer be ignored,”

It was never ignored. If it was they would not have spent over a billion a year for decades on their corruption & denial campaign.

Too late now. Anyone 50 or younger is going down hard & ugly guaranteed.

I just spent part of the holidays watching my dear aunt die in hospice. Not fun. She coulden’t speak much but on a number of occasions, through her morphine haze, she groaned out “sucks” “want to go” Perhaps going out fast is a mercy?

Cloggie on Fri, 29th Dec 2017 3:17 pm 



I am a Cardiologist

OK. Thanks for being honest. He is from New Zealand:

http://wesley.com.au/doctors/Geoffrey-Chia

However low prices are largely due to demand destruction

What demand destruction?

https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/12/29/iea-2017-key-world-energy-statistics/

I agree with the impossibility of endless growth.

The horrific humanitarian consequences of sea level rise alone boggle the mind

So far little has happened. Shall we return to this subject in 50-100 years?

Climate catastrophe is undoubtedly the greatest existential threat to humanity.

Why worry about climate change if the world is to fall of an energy cliff soon anyway?

Contrary to the technofantasists, we have no upscalable alternatives

Another uninformed millimind who robs the world of the only way out.

I have been a voice in the wilderness for more than a decade regarding this matter and despite meeting with and writing to politicians, doctors, scientists and engineers, have achieved no traction11. I know of only a few sapients who are truly aware of this issue, who can be counted on the fingers of an amputated hand. Richard Heinberg reckons that less than a million people worldwide actually understand how dire the near future is going to be.

Hahahaha. Richy Heinberg, that old crook, still taken seriously by some in 2017. Priceless. Not even Heinberg takes his own 2005 message…

https://www.amazon.com/Partys-Over-Fate-Industrial-Societies-ebook/dp/B004FPZ3DK/ref=sr_1_4

“Richard Heinberg – The Party’s Over: Oil, War and the Fate of Industrial Societies (2005)”

… serious anymore and advocates renewable energy and has found a new career in Trump bashing.

https://www.amazon.com/Our-Renewable-Future-Hundred-Percent/dp/1610917790/ref=sr_1_1
Richard Heinberg – Our Renewable Future: Laying the Path for One Hundred Percent Clean Energy (2016)

ROFL

Dear mr Chia, go back to your patients and stop worrying and read Heinberg latest book on renewable energy, order some solar panels to be installed on your roof and begin to promote renewable energy in Nieuw Zeeland.

Good luck.

Go Speed Racer on Fri, 29th Dec 2017 3:29 pm 



Oooooh he gotz a typewriter, wrote
A letter to the editor.
Dat will solve all da world problems!
Bwaaaa haaa haaaa haaaaa !!

Cloggie on Fri, 29th Dec 2017 3:40 pm 



How are we going to bring this to millimind, the greatest Richard Heinberg fan on this board, who still believes in the 2005-Heinberg rubbish?

https://www.amazon.com/Our-Renewable-Future-Hundred-Percent/dp/1610917790/ref=sr_1_1

Just read through the index pages. Heiny is into 100% renewable energy!!! ROFL

Millimind has just been stabbed in the back! By his own guru! ROFL

DerHundistlos on Fri, 29th Dec 2017 3:59 pm 



Cha,Cha,Cha, Chia

Watch it grow before your eyes.

DerHundistlos on Fri, 29th Dec 2017 4:11 pm 



@ Clogged (aka better out than in)

“Why worry about climate change if the world is to fall of an energy cliff soon anyway?”

Yes, poorly constructed argument. His letter is not logically structured and he comes off sounding shrill and sanctimonious.

At least he can take credit for developing the Cha,Cha,Cha, Chia- just water it and watch it grow. I’m afraid he will be bettter remembered for this.

Cloggie on Fri, 29th Dec 2017 4:28 pm 



Let’s be honest LooseHound, aren’t we all a little guilty of loving to be the messenger of spectacular news? We imagine to have superior knowledge the dumb masses don’t have. Self-agrandissment in action.

Apneaman on Fri, 29th Dec 2017 5:16 pm 



clog, earlier this year you predicted that AGW consequences would have no “significant” impact on the US.

“2017 is about to become the most expensive disaster year in US history, costing nearly $400 billion in damages.”

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2017/12/28/16795490/natural-disasters-2017-hurricanes-wildfires-heat-climate-change-cost-deaths

Tell yourself.

Man are you ever thick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9bk2MrMGaA

Ghung on Fri, 29th Dec 2017 5:54 pm 



<b<MICROMIND is going to love this.

Ghung on Fri, 29th Dec 2017 5:55 pm 



MICROMIND is going to love this.

DerHundistlos on Fri, 29th Dec 2017 8:36 pm 



Does anyone remember Chias that were sold on TV or am I talking to a wall?

Hello, hello, anybody home? Hey, think McFly, think.

MASTERMIND on Fri, 29th Dec 2017 10:03 pm 



Hey Clog

What is your education? Living in your moms basement? Richard Heinberg has a PhD as well. Heinberg says in that book that a 100 percent renewable future isn’t possible. You dumb idiot..

MASTERMIND on Fri, 29th Dec 2017 10:06 pm 



Cornell University: Energy Studies in the College of Engineering. The Challenges of Peak Oil
http://www.geo.cornell.edu/eas/energy/the_challenges/peak_oil.html

The End of Peak Oil? Why this topic is still relevant despite recent denials (Chapman, 2014)
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S030142151300342X

Projection of World Fossil Fuels by Country (Mohr, 2015)
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0016236114010254

World Oil Shortages To Lead To Oil Price Spike By 2020s, warns Goldman Sachs
http://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Supply-Crunch-To-Lead-To-Oil-Price-Spike-By-2020s-Expert-Says.html

Ouch clog and all you have is a shitty blog you had to create to convince yourself of the lies you spew…Be a man Clog.> Grow up and get a girlfriend and move out of your moms basement..Collapse is coming so you better not waste your time..

MASTERMIND on Fri, 29th Dec 2017 10:08 pm 



Dear Reader,

Here are five peer reviewed scientific studies authored by top experts that prove beyond any reasonable doubt that global civilization will collapse within the next decade.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921800914000615
https://www.permaculture.org.au/files/Peak%20Oil_Study%20EN.pdf
http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/280/1754/20122845
http://sustainable.unimelb.edu.au/sites/default/files/docs/MSSI-ResearchPaper-4_Turner_2014.pdf
http://www.feasta.org/2012/06/17/trade-off-financial-system-supply-chain-cross-contagion-a-study-in-global-systemic-collapse/

Renewable energy ‘simply won’t work’: Top Google PhD Engineers

Two highly qualified Google engineers who have spent years studying and trying to improve renewable energy technology have stated quite bluntly that whatever the future holds, it is not a renewables-powered civilisation: such a thing is impossible.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/21/renewable_energy_simply_wont_work_google_renewables_engineers/

Solar and Wind produced less than one percent of total world energy in 2016 – IEA WEO 2017

https://www.iea.org/publications/freepublications/publication/KeyWorld2017.pdf

MASTERMIND on Fri, 29th Dec 2017 10:11 pm 



Look Its Clogg

Change your undies you sick fuck

https://imgur.com/a/0imMI

And move out of your moms basement. You are never going to get laid. You most likely never even have. That is why you turned to Nazism.

Makati1 on Fri, 29th Dec 2017 10:17 pm 



Violence. The last resort of a fool.

Your lack of maturity is showing again, MM.

I put you at about grade four in school. Maybe not even that high.

MASTERMIND on Fri, 29th Dec 2017 10:30 pm 



Behold Clogg’s European Master Race that is going to take over the world

https://imgur.com/a/m6fsV

LOL I’ll bet that is Cloggs Father! WHITE POWER!

Cloggie on Sat, 30th Dec 2017 3:03 am 



Hey Clog

What is your education?

Graduated physics engineer with specialty in renewable energy. Produced solar cells in the lab, crawled through wind tunnels and made mathematical models of wind turbines and seasonal storage of heat. Broke off my PhD and went into IT after renewable energy died a sudden death in Holland after Ronald Reagan removed Jimmy Carter’s solar panels from the White House and everybody became a yuppie, including me.

I hope to finish my IT-career in 1-2 years, when I have enough money to retire and return to renewable energy (programming and writing) on my own purse (with hopefully later returns).

Richard Heinberg has a PhD as well.

Oh really?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Heinberg

Heinberg, after two years in college and a period of personal study, became personal assistant to Immanuel Velikovsky in November 1979. After Velikovsky’s death, Heinberg assisted his widow in editing manuscripts. He published his first book in 1989, Memories and Visions of Paradise: Exploring the Universal Myth of a Lost Golden Age, which was the result of ten years of study of world mythology. An expanded second edition was published in 1995. He began publishing his alternative newsletter, the MuseLetter, in 1992. His next book was published in 1993: Celebrate the Solstice: Honoring the Earth’s Seasonal Rhythms through Festival and Ceremony.

Heinberg is 100% New Age and ecologist fundamentalist. That’s OK, but he absolutely is not a trained academic.

Heinberg says in that book that a 100 percent renewable future isn’t possible.

Have you read the book? Have you at least browsed through the index pages via amazon.com. I will never read books of Heinberg again, but I did notice that the title is: “Our Renewable Future: Laying the Path for One Hundred Percent Clean Energy”, making a mockery of your claim that Heinberg says that 100% renewable energy is not possible.

You’re on your own, millimind. Abandoned by your own guru. You are a peak oil orphan.

Sad.

Cloggie on Sat, 30th Dec 2017 3:20 am 



I have read two books from Heinberg:

The Party is Over
Blackout (on peak coal)

Especially the first made great impact on me and caused me to pick up interest again in the renewable energy field I had abandoned at university. Because of it I began to post on peakoil.nl, run by former Dutch peak oil grand Rembrandt Koppelaar, who moved to London.

http://www.resilience.org/resilience-author/rembrandt/

Here a recent podcast with him with the title: “Can Renewables Power the World?” (spoiler: yes)

http://www.resilience.org/stories/2017-05-18/can-renewables-power-world/

When peakoil.nl closed down I came here (Jan 2012) and at the same time started a blog. And guess what one of my first posts was?

https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2012/01/26/german-army/

Exactly the rubbish you still try to peddle in f* 2017. The difference between you and me is that I recognize a train wreck when I see one.

Thank to oil-insider the Rockman I began to see by end 2012 that the world would not run out of carbons any time soon. And what is currently happening could potentially, God forbid, be expanded over the entire planet. And a few years later I discovered that Britain alone has the potential of becoming the Saudi-Arabia^10 with ENORMOUS coal reserves that could be exploited with “new” technologies (underground coal gasification).

https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2015/04/07/fracking-is-for-amateurs/

https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/01/01/underground-coal-gasification/

In other words: anybody who worries about a world running out of fossil fuel should get his head checked, to begin with with Richard Heinberg (“peak coal 2025”.LOL)

I have never seen a writer who was so majestically, nay titanically wrong about a subject, completely blinded by ecological wishful thinking as our Richy.

And now at the threshold of 2018, there we have our drama queen millimind trying to warm up the Heinberg corpse.

Cloggie on Sat, 30th Dec 2017 3:28 am 



And a few years later I discovered that Britain alone has the potential of becoming the Saudi-Arabia^10 with ENORMOUS coal reserves that could be exploited with “new” technologies (underground coal gasification).

Thanks to the infinite wisdom of the British government they have prohibited initial exploitation of these coal fields, much to the chagrin of the British fossil fuel industry:

https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/01/02/uk-government-rejects-ucg/

Britain is currently the leading country in Europe in offshore wind. Good for them.

But the upshot is: we in Europe and the rest of the world have more than enough fossil fuel left to get the renewable energy transition realized. Smoothly. Energy is not the problem, policy decisions are (hi Donald!)

Davy on Sat, 30th Dec 2017 4:41 am 



“Thank to oil-insider the Rockman I began to see by end 2012 that the world would not run out of carbons any time soon.”

The good oil is going quick, Tulip, and the ability of our global economy to afford the low quality stuff is not a given. It is an issue of economics and oil production. You skip over the economic part. Sure you give it its superficial look like most do with oil markets and price but the systematic aspects of working or not working never crosses your mind. You are habituated to average growth. It was and it will be is your thinking. Just like the sun comes up every day you believe the economy will always be there. Oh, sure, you acknowledge a financial crisis but you are sure that it will be weathered just like past ones. Of course your lack of understanding of this systematic nature of human economics is the reason for your techno optimism. It is the same with your unrealistic view of a 100% renewable Europe. You ignore the physics and the economics of renewables. For you it is a given you will be 100% in 20 years. It will happen you are sure. The technical details will be worked out because humans and especially Eurotards will figure it out. You can’t imagine anything else. You are just a hopium addict that is unwilling or unable to face the possibilities reality is made of. Possibilities all species face but for you humans are different especially the Eurotard human that in your eyes is exceptional. You can’t imagine your cushy Dutch lifestyle ever changing. One day “maybe” you might be facing some serious survival issues. At that time you will be a mess because your life is built upon fantasy.

shortonoil on Sat, 30th Dec 2017 8:35 am 



The world is now 83% down the petroleum Available Energy curve. It was at the 50% point (or energy half way point) in 2012. The back side of the curve is much steeper than was the front side. The price of oil has now passed the maximum affordability level, and the economy will now begin to contract as a result. Expect the first major dislocation to occur in 2018 or early 2019. The world’s $250 trillion in debt is now coming due!

http://www.thehillsgroup.org

MASTERMIND on Sat, 30th Dec 2017 9:10 am 



As M. King Hubbert (1962) shows, Peak Oil is about discovering less oil, and eventually producing less oil due to lack of discovery.
https://imgur.com/a/6dEDt

IEA Chief warns of world oil shortages by 2020 as discoveries fall to record lows
https://www.wsj.com/articles/iea-says-global-oil-discoveries-at-record-low-in-2016-1493244000

Peak Oil Vindicated by the IEA

Looks like I have a new Father Clogg. Who is the number one global energy authority.

MASTERMIND on Sat, 30th Dec 2017 9:17 am 



HSBC Oil Study 2017

The world will need to discover and bring online 6 1/2 new Saudi Arabia’s worth of oil for supplies to meet increasing demands by 2040…
https://www.scribd.com/document/367688629/HSBC-Peak-Oil-Report-2017

Good luck with that Shale oil! LOL

Davy on Sat, 30th Dec 2017 9:20 am 



“The back side of the curve is much steeper than was the front side.”

Renewables may make the “steeper” less steep buying us more time. Demand destruction from a financial downturn if not too disruptive may also make the “steeper” less steep.

MASTERMIND on Sat, 30th Dec 2017 9:21 am 



CitiBank CEO warns of oil shortages coming as soon as 2018
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-25/citi-says-get-ready-for-an-oil-squeeze-than-an-opec-supply-surge

Is an Economic Oil Crash Around the Corner?
https://www.alternet.org/environment/economic-oil-crash-around-corner

When you wake up next year and here on the news that gas stations are running out of fuel..Have fun!

Peak Oil Shortages > Social Collapse > Anarchy!

MASTERMIND on Sat, 30th Dec 2017 9:22 am 



Davy?

Renewable’s are you kidding? They made up only one percent of total world energy?

Renewable energy ‘simply won’t work’: Top Google PhD Engineers

Two highly qualified Google engineers who have spent years studying and trying to improve renewable energy technology have stated quite bluntly that whatever the future holds, it is not a renewables-powered civilisation: such a thing is impossible.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/21/renewable_energy_simply_wont_work_google_renewables_engineers/

Solar and Wind produced less than one percent of total world energy in 2016 – IEA WEO 2017
https://www.iea.org/publications/freepublications/publication/KeyWorld2017.pdf

MASTERMIND on Sat, 30th Dec 2017 9:24 am 



Cornell University: Energy Studies in the College of Engineering. The Challenges of Peak Oil
http://www.geo.cornell.edu/eas/energy/the_challenges/peak_oil.html

CLogg why does America’s top geo engineering school in the country have their own Peak Oil page?

Cloggie on Sat, 30th Dec 2017 9:25 am 



Millimind still equates oil with conventional oil. And according to him fossil fuel = oil.

/rolleyes

Looks like I have a new Father Clogg. Who is the number one global energy authority.

I’m happy for you. King Hubbert was the father of US conventional oil reserves, absolutely not the “#1 global energy authority”.

Ever heard of the Third Carbon Age?

http://www.notpetroleum.com/the-third-carbon-age/

Cloggie on Sat, 30th Dec 2017 9:29 am 



CLogg why does America’s top geo engineering school in the country have their own Peak Oil page?

Most likely because they are retards:

[text © R. W. Allmendinger (2007)

MASTERMIND on Sat, 30th Dec 2017 9:32 am 



Saudi Arabia’s Energy Minister Warns of World Oil Shortages Ahead
https://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-minister-sees-end-of-oil-price-slump-1476870790

Saudi Aramco CEO believes oil shortage coming despite U.S. shale boom
http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2017/07/10/saudi-aramco-ceo-believes-oil-shortage-coming-despite-u-s-shale-boom.html

And what would happen if we had an oil shortage?

German Military (leaked) Peak Oil study concludes: oil is used in the production of 95% of all industrial goods, so a shortage of oil would collapse the world economy & world governments
https://www.permaculture.org.au/files/Peak%20Oil_Study%20EN.pdf

Oil Shortages > Social Collapse > Anarchy!

MASTERMIND on Sat, 30th Dec 2017 9:36 am 



Cornell ranked No. 14 in the world, in top 1 percent of universities

http://news.cornell.edu/stories/2017/06/cornell-ranked-no-14-world-top-1-percent-universities

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/cornell-university-2711

https://www.forbes.com/colleges/cornell-university/

MASTERMIND on Sat, 30th Dec 2017 9:39 am 



Clogg you are so pathetic! Move out of your moms basement go get a job or go back to school. Maybe you will get lucky and get laid and can go from a Nazi to a Hippie…All you need is love!

Davy on Sat, 30th Dec 2017 9:41 am 



MM, you may want to be less extreme against renewables. They have much to offer. I doubt they will save us but they may slow a decline. We had many like you a few years back on this forum. In fact I was for a time a quick collapser. Now a days I see a slower pace of decline, that is, unless we have a biggish war. Are you anxious to have a collapse? If this quick collapse meme is emotional then it is likely irrational/rational. You are mixing in your emotions with scientific facts and distorting the true picture. Words that are defining like “will” and “are” are a dead giveaway for agenda and may or may not be fact.

MASTERMIND on Sat, 30th Dec 2017 9:51 am 



Davy

The problem with peak oil is a liquid fuels problem. Not an electricity problem. Read Dr Hirsch’s report. Its on the US government website even.

https://www.netl.doe.gov/publications/others/pdf/Oil_Peaking_NETL.pdf

MASTERMIND on Sat, 30th Dec 2017 9:52 am 



Davy

UC Davis Study: It Will Take 131 Years to Replace Oil with Alternatives (Malyshkina, 2010)
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es100730q

University of Chicago Study: predicts world economy unlikely to stop relying on fossil fuels (Covert, 2016)
https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/jep.30.1.117

See we have studied how long a transition would take. We don’t have to just guess or cross our fingers.

Cloggie on Sat, 30th Dec 2017 10:12 am 



Maybe you will get lucky and get laid and can go from a Nazi to a Hippie…All you need is love!

https://tinyurl.com/y8yxwtkd

Cloggie on Sat, 30th Dec 2017 10:17 am 



Millimind from now on is going to spam the forum with a small repertoire of 2010 pear-reviewed articles and two Google dropouts, of which Konigstein with his red nose has a clear alcohol problem:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ht0H6OR3_8k/VIK8WlJsJUI/AAAAAAAAEgU/IF695QGZBvY/s1600/Koningstein%2Band%2BFork.jpg

Motto: “we achieved nothing in four years so nobody is going to achieve anything ever”

MASTERMIND on Sat, 30th Dec 2017 10:18 am 



Clog Behold your master European race..

https://imgur.com/a/xtmRC

Everyone is really scare you guys! LOL

MASTERMIND on Sat, 30th Dec 2017 10:19 am 



CLogg Starter Pack

https://imgur.com/a/DFF5g

LOL Nailed it!

MASTERMIND on Sat, 30th Dec 2017 10:25 am 



‘WORSE THAN 2007’: Top Central Banker warns of looming wave of worldwide bankruptcies
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/davos/12108569/World-faces-wave-of-epic-debt-defaults-fears-central-bank-veteran.html

The world is drowning in debt, warns Goldman Sachs
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11625406/The-world-is-drowning-in-debt-warns-Goldman-Sachs.html

US companies spent $4T buying back their own stock since 08
https://nypost.com/2017/08/19/us-companies-spent-4t-buying-back-their-own-stock/

When those peak oil shortages come. The price will double or triple overnight! And it will pop the worlds debt bubbles and cause an economic collapse!

Cloggie on Sat, 30th Dec 2017 10:27 am 



Clog Behold your master European race..

The trouble with America is that they ran out of talented German Natzis Ubermenschen to do difficult stuff for them, like putting a man on the moon or inventing a renewable energy base.

http://m.epochtimes.fr/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/engines_braun_lrg.jpg

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/151806819874-0-1/s-l1000.jpg

Natzis are sexy.

Now they are stuck with cry-baby SJW Millimind-types and they are not going to cut it.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PGUF48Ds6fI/maxresdefault.jpg

Boohoo!

The only thing Millimind types are fit for is “proving” that something won’t work.

fmr-paultard on Sat, 30th Dec 2017 10:29 am 



((Eurotard)) is going to colonize us. Guys I’m afraid please help. Its like rhomulan going for federation space. Eurotard going trigger diplomacy crisis and board civilian planes to invade

I’m dead forget P.O.

MASTERMIND on Sat, 30th Dec 2017 10:39 am 



Clogg

Hate has caused a lot of problems in this world and hasn’t solved one yet.

-Maya Angelo

fmr-paultard on Sat, 30th Dec 2017 10:48 am 



((eurotard)) you’re a consiprarcy theorist like me. i a former paultard remember? i was deep into this stuff.

you have to read the leaves u know, that’s how u do tracking. the leaves is rem in this case

https://youtu.be/dLxpNiF0YKs?t=190

Here’s a little agit for the never-believer
(Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah)
Here’s a little ghost for the offering
(Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah)
Here’s a truck stop instead of Saint Peter’s

do you dig that serious sh*t lyric?

you’re in serious denial. you only support the theory since it promotes your eurotard supremacism.

fmr-paultard on Sat, 30th Dec 2017 10:49 am 



it’s not dumb wearner braown. it’s supertard ((stanley)) that took us to the moon yo

fmr-paultard on Sat, 30th Dec 2017 10:54 am 



think abou tthis eurotard. when we went to the moon more frequently than i go to the bathroom to take a dump. there’s something wrong.’

be honest and i’ll throw all my life in support of eurotard supremacism. i went all in for president paul remember? i was loading up serious gear for revolution.

nowadays i’m just a once/year mass catholic. i don’t believe in constantine religion but hey, i’m not into fake bible “mein kampf”, fake supremacism, fake news zh, fake eurotard alliance PMBB.

if i need fake everyhting, i just have to convert to islam and get myself a few euortard slaves to do the thinking for me.

fmr-paultard on Sat, 30th Dec 2017 10:58 am 



((eurotard)) it’s healthy to be skeptical. as rem said it could means the difference between truck stop (good food, loaded women in the upper body) and saint peter’s or u’re dead.

your eurotard supermacism will plung europe into a war and americans will come this time turning you into the version of morgenthau plan. haha

fmr-paultard on Sat, 30th Dec 2017 11:11 am 



from the philosophical perspective supertards are on the right track since human have a tendency to over respond to crisis. we seen this in ((eurotard)). we see them in religions in their books. the desert areas in the ME produced the nastiest of them all for the sake of conquest, the religion of Islam.

This is detailed in Frederic Bastiat’s “The Law” assertion that men will plunder if the cost of plundering is low and the margin of return is positive.

Or in technical parlance, plundering is just optimization, like how light takes the shortest path always.

when supertards moderate they’re engaging in engineering or evolution if you will. since life on earth is boring for the most part, engineering keeps our experience bearable.

there is no god but the god of conquest. there is no conquest but the subtle conquest via moderation.

i’m not into fame and wealth. i can’t score so i am not into the mood of creating a whole new religion. it’s bound to be suplanted by corruption. when jesus returned to serville, spain he found the church subverted the idea of jesus.

but as a starting point, my relgion is about worshipping supertards and also term is differently, stealing form luke 22:36 that we need teh bumpski for eliminating SENTAPBs.