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A powerful cyclone has pushed the North Pole 50 degrees above normal to melting point

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A powerful cyclone has pushed the North Pole 50 degrees above normal to melting point
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33 Comments on "A powerful cyclone has pushed the North Pole 50 degrees above normal to melting point"

  1. JuanP on Thu, 31st Dec 2015 11:53 am 

    I thoght that 50 degree thing in the North Pole was a joke, but it is not. This is soooo fucked up!

  2. ghung on Thu, 31st Dec 2015 12:17 pm 

    38F in Fairbanks. Pretty crazy this time of year. 48 here in NC.

  3. onlooker on Thu, 31st Dec 2015 12:23 pm 

    Wow, this could be the tipping point that finally sends the entire Arctic Sea Ice into terminal decline with subsequent Methane outgassing. If and when that happens ball game over.

  4. JuanP on Thu, 31st Dec 2015 12:41 pm 

    83F, feels like 89F in Miami Beach. We’ve had no fall or winter weather so far this year. It’s been pouring down like never before. We already are having the wettest dry season in historical records, and it also looks like it will be the hottest winter, too.

  5. onlooker on Thu, 31st Dec 2015 12:51 pm 

    Yep their seems to be very big things happening with the weather at this time. But over the longer term you can say climate.

  6. roman on Thu, 31st Dec 2015 1:59 pm 

    Interesting links. Fags in Belguim are causing global warming at the north pole so santa’s ranch will sink. No more gifts for Homo Fagatus

  7. Apneaman on Thu, 31st Dec 2015 3:39 pm 

    Freakish weather from the North Pole to South America

    Interview with Jason Box – Greenland Ice Sheet Melt Affecting UK Weather

  8. Truth Has A Liberal Bias on Thu, 31st Dec 2015 4:39 pm 

    I think I need ro buy more ammo

  9. JuanP on Thu, 31st Dec 2015 5:50 pm 

    Apnea, As your link points out, we are also having very freakish weather up South. In Uruguay, we went from one of the worst droughts ever to what has already become a record breaking flood spanning a huge chunk of South America.

    The Uruguay river that separates Uruguay from Argentina is almost 50 feet above the flood line right now. I was reading yesterday in one of my country’s papers that they had to evacuate the animals from a zoo that had never flooded that high in the almost two centuries since the zoo was built.

    I feel very validated in my decade plus old opinion that Climate Change was going to lead to alternating cycles of megadroughts and mega floods. I have always thought that this drought-flood cycles will keep getting worse, longer, and more intense for the foreseeable future. I believe this will make growing food extremely hard all over the world. What can you grow during a ten or twenty year drought? And the floods don’t help at all, either. Can you imagine how those places are having their top soils eroded and groundwater polluted?

    This is what originally led to my interest in Permaculture. It was John Liu’s doc about greening the desert that made me realize that the most important thing I could do with my little piece of land to prepare for this future is building landscapes designed to retain all that water and soil. Keylining, swales, berms, ponds, and hugelkulturs built as a holistic system is the way to go and what I recommend to everyone that owns land. I want to keep every drop of water in my land and every gram of soil, too. Runoff is a crime.

  10. makati1 on Thu, 31st Dec 2015 7:14 pm 

    JuanP, permaculture is the only way to go. Field crops are so yesterday. Why put all of your ‘eggs’ in one big basket when a flood, pest invasion, early frost or heat wave can decimate it all in a short time, leaving you with nothing or much less to eat?

    Nature doesn’t do orchards or wheat fields. It does mixed crops and seems to have worked very well for millions of years. Water management is the main farming tool of the future and permaculture is perfect to do this.

    Have a great 2016!

  11. dubya on Thu, 31st Dec 2015 7:30 pm 

    by the Alaska panhandle weather is perfectly normal -15C for the past month, but very little sun.
    On the other hand Svalbard has been +4 or 5 for the past 3 days.
    I’m sure it’s nothing…

  12. JuanP on Thu, 31st Dec 2015 9:17 pm 

    Happy New Year to all!

  13. Davy on Fri, 1st Jan 2016 4:55 am 

    Someone needs to go back to school on what constitutes permaculture. Orchards and wheat field are perfectly permaculture if put in right and in he right scale and finally in a symbiotic relationship with other animals and crops.

    Permaculture is like solar in that it has a place in transition but it is not itself a solution to our predicament. For locals and individuals it should be the preferred step taken to improve YOUR food chain.

    A small garden and permaculture farm is not going to save you in this day and age. It will take a much larger local with a combination of industrial agriculture, small permaculture farms, and town folks with gardens and animals.

    We are talking a huge step to leave industrial Ag and one that is beyond the scope of our abilities. It resembles the energy predicament perfectly. In both complexes we have large populations that are adapted to energy intensive resources without substitute to maintain the status quo. The alternative is collapse and a fall in economic activity to a new level of population and consumption.

    Industrial ag must be maintained and enhanced with permaculture. Those who want to do a lone wolf collapse claiming you can permaculture “hide” are ridiculous. The amount of people who will be foraging and scavenging will present a serious survival issues. The lone wolfs will not have a buffer for crop loss or system disruption.

    This will have to be a community effort and communities will need some monocultures and large amounts of animals. In the descent we must utilize industrial agriculture in a hybrid mix. We have to salvage what we can and maintain what we can as it decays.

    I say this if we want a long emergency. If you are the lone wolf looking forward to an apocalypse then you want many people to die in place and you survive. This is one of those value statements on life. Some one this board want to see death. I want to see less death.

    One need only refer to the 18th and 19th century for good transition models. Look to many current groups like the Amish or many subsistence groups in the 3rd world. These groups need to be protected and enhanced as examples for transition. We have a few years where we could be investing in permaculture and people like the Amish. We need to be investing in solar systems for the same reasons. This is vital work but it will not save many of us. Our solutions are now mainly small lifeboats or delay actions for a required rebalance that is unavoidable.

  14. Sissyfuss on Fri, 1st Jan 2016 8:42 am 

    Davy,I am surrounded by Amish on my rewilded 5 acres and I can tell you they are not sustainable in current form. They are having children well above replacement level and embracing modern medicine so that infant mortality is no longer Gods’ handiwork. They all use diesel powered skid steerer’s on their farms and continue to destroy most remaining natural habitat for their cows, pigs, and horses. They will buy my property as soon as I will sell it and I will resettle in the UP to write and observe the denouement of IC vs OP vs CC.

  15. Davy on Fri, 1st Jan 2016 1:00 pm 

    Sis, the only ones close to sustainable are semi-nomadic hunter-gathers. There are not too many of them around anymore. Most true Amish will not use diesel power. Here in Missouri the Amish are the most sustainable of transitional farmers. Their birth rates are an issue but that will be irrelevant in a few years as deaths over births will likely become the norm.

    Amish are not perfect but their simplicity and use of traditional skills and tools makes them two steps ahead of anything else out there. They are a ready made example of practices with a future. They refuse to indulge in consumerism and have a wonderful craft industry. I am all ears for any other options if you know of any.

  16. peakyeast on Fri, 1st Jan 2016 7:09 pm 

    All that cold air from the North Pole has to go somewhere – I wonder who were the happy receivers?

  17. jbclarksongmailcom on Sat, 2nd Jan 2016 1:05 am 


    Permaculture is great, but it takes a long time to get a permaculture farm established. Dave Holmgren has been working on his place for over 25 years. Perhaps that’s why annuals have such a strong attraction for those who want rapid food production.

    Don’t forget that the most calories for the least effort comes from grass fed livestock. Livestock take relatively more acreage, but they turn grass into meat and fat with little labor. It only takes about a year to get some decent size lambs to eat if you’ve got a ram, some ewes and pasture for them.

    I live in the tropics so my staples are taro and lamb. Both are relatively easy and high calorie foods.

  18. GregT on Sat, 2nd Jan 2016 1:14 am 

    “They refuse to indulge in consumerism and have a wonderful craft industry.”

    They also do not believe in nationalism, or warmongering.

  19. makati1 on Sat, 2nd Jan 2016 1:21 am 

    jb, who has the acreage AND the resources to protect that livestock from two legged predators? The future is going to see such rustling increase until you need an armed guard on anything edible.

    About 20 years ago, my neighbor had 10 grown head of Black Angus stolen one night and never found out who took them or where they went. That was in the middle of a built-up area, in the middle of an open valley surrounded by homes and businesses and 1 mile from the local police station. It took a large truck to haul away 10 head of steers. Never did find them. Good luck if you think yours will be safe.

    Yes, permaculture takes time. Why didn’t you start 10 years ago? 5? 1? Because it was too hard and why bother if it take time? Annuals tend to fail. A bad summer can ruin your garden plans and end your seed gathering. And, when the SHTF, you will not be able to go to the big box store and restock your shelves. You will starve if you are not prepared. No one will care. They will be too busy keeping alive themselves.

    You can buy ‘time’ by purchasing larger starter plants, trees, and shrubs. An apple seed takes ~5-8 years to produce a tree and fruit. A 4 year old nursery tree can be producing in a few years.

    As my old avatar said:

    “Tomorrow, you will wish you had started today”.

  20. JuanP on Sat, 2nd Jan 2016 1:39 am 

    Jb, It does take time, energy, and money to build a Permaculture farm, but I would consider it a good investment. You can build a productive Permaculture farm in about five to ten years depending on how much money you got to do it. Your point about other options providing food faster is valid, though. Annuals and animals can be part of a Permaculture farm, too, and in many cases they should be, but planting an edible perennial forest is, IMO, an essential part of the best possible plan. I plan to have ducks, bees, rabbits, and chickens as well as a raised bed garden on my Permaculture micro farm, too. It is true that perfecting such a farm would be a lifelong commitment, but I can’t think of a better way to invest my time and money. Permaculture and organic farming are an important part of the future, if we have any future left that is.

  21. Davy on Sat, 2nd Jan 2016 5:11 am 

    Permaculture agriculture is not something you can define with particuliar examples. It is a lifestyle and attitude. You take that and apply it to your local. There is no “best possible plan” except for you on your local.

    I have 400 acre farm of pasture, woody draws, and small forest plots. I am utilizing 120 acres of that for animals. The rest is native grasses and brush. It is mosaic environment of different habitats I keep in a state of succession.

    The cattle are grass fed and the goats eat brush and weeds. I have the gardens, orchards, and a small vinyard. The key to permaculture is the vague term sustainability and resilience. You can go from there per your local. It is about respect for wild habitat and utilizing it.

    I have two fine lakes and a spring. I protect these from the animals and have filter strips to prevent contamination. I sustainably harvest my wood lots. I never cut down a live tree unless it is to improve the wood lot. I harvest dead or dying trees.

    My goal is to lower use of machines on the place. On a 400 acre place without extra labor equipment is needed. When it is not available I will be ready. While the equipment is available I am using it. Fields have to be mowed. Brushy areas have to be disturbed. When I burn fields I need fire suppression with water systems. With more labor and animals I could still do this but in the status quo it is not feasible. I do have plans and skills to do it without machines in the future.

    There are people here who think using machines wrong but they are not understanding transition of growth to descent. The transition period will have to be a hybrid effort with salvage of the fossil fuel world. The old ways pre fossil fuels must be brought back. This adapted permaculture in this sense is following a creeping collapse.

    Permaculture can be the typical application we see in status quo of withdrawing as much as possible from industrial agriculture. I am adapting that because the end of status quo will be about destructive change that will require salvage and canibalization of the old status quo. Humans have so change the earth we will have no choice but to salavage this human adapted world.

    I know all about permaculture. It is expensive in time and resources. Don’t let anyone fool you. If it wasn’t everyone would do it. My idea of permaculture includes a doomstead of preparations because a permaculture farm requires labor and management. You must be personally permaculture to maintain a permaculture.

    So really permaculture goes all the way into your mind. It encompasses your food and shelter. It is a complete way of life addressing a paradigm shift away from industrial man because of limits of growth.

    Permaculture is not an answer to the end of the status quo because that event is far too big and dramatic. It is another niche along with alternative energy and existential localism. Status quo permaculture does not address doom and prep yet but it will. This board is a good example of the blending of the two with several highly competent individuals some of who despise me.

  22. JuanP on Sat, 2nd Jan 2016 7:08 am 

    Davy’s point is very important. Permaculture is an approach to life, not simply a farming style, and there is no one way to do it. It will be different for everyone. You can apply the Permaculture principles to every aspect of your life, and we all should.

    I, for one, don’t despise you, Davy. And, I respect and admire what you are doing with your farm. I will mostly ignore you, though, because I find your personal attacks insufferable. I know Mak and others, myself included, can be confrontational about our political and religious views, but so are you, and your reactions to our comments are disproportionate and excessively agressive. It is very counterproductive because it ends up turning most of us against you ang it takes away from the way we could relate in this forum.

    You could be one of the most valuable members of this forum, THE most valuable in some aspects, like dynamic systems analysis, but I just can’t suffer your personal attacks any longer. This makes me very sad, but I don’t despise you, I just feel sorry that we can’t overcome this. I think you are too much like me in that we are both seriously psychologically damaged and beyond repair.

  23. Davy on Sat, 2nd Jan 2016 8:09 am 

    I personally attack those who attack me under the legitimate principal of self defense. I admit and am guilty of attacking mak. It was a strategy of self-defense in a sense. He is attacking me daily with multiple negative post that reflect on me and my local. He routinely makes direct personal attacks if opportune.

    You yourself have criticized mak in my support in the past. I have asked him on multiple occasions to moderate and be friends. We have much in common but like you he is an either or type person engaged in a deadly serious passion of a message of agendas with red lines. There can be no middle ground with your gang’s agenda. Your gang is the type who demands membership in your strict agenda or you are the enemy.

    One must adapt and I have adapted. I now ignore mak’s indirect attacks but do still engage in arguments with him. I am not doing naked personal attacks that are unprovoked as is often the case with the gang and especially Mak.

    Juan since you decided to name me in a veiled attack so you deserve comment. You give violent personal attacks that are passionate but brittle. There is little flexibility with you. It is your way or the highway. You are weak in spirit and collapse the discussion once a alternative narrative challenges you. You and around 6 others are part of a gang that are vicious to alternatives to your anti-western positions. Your gang engages in “denial of service” type attacks that are coordinated, focused, and consistent.

    You yourself are brilliant with oil and permaculture. You are an extremist on many other topics. I chose to ignore your extremism and just battle on ideas. You could not resist today to attack me and to be fair with some praise. Yet, the purpose is negative.

    I have adapted many times on this board and now is no exception. I am a minority with the regular commenters here but not with the silent majority who want tolorance and moderation. Juan you and your gang are smart guys but too smart because you are in a rut and determined to protect your investment in that rut.

    You and I have done well recently by battling on ideas let’s keep it that way. We can have a healthy battle without the name calling and personal attacks.

    I have chosen to end my Mak attacks as counterproductive unless he attacks me directly which he is doing now regularly. He is part of your gang and feels embolden. I don’t mind because he is a silly old man full of inconsistencies. His message is a stale and worn out anti-western message with Bric glorification. Pretty much your strategy Juan. You have slipped back into this conformation mode because you are an angry person full of hate. I recommend you throttle back and battle with ideas instead of personalities. You drew blood today and I gave you some back.

  24. onlooker on Sat, 2nd Jan 2016 8:21 am 

    I too second the avoidance of personal attacks. Most of us here have worthy things to say and should not feel the need to strike out against someone. But some seem to be caught in the tit for tat syndrome. I will say that both Mak and Davy have made posts that are erudite and intriguing. So I hope that they can somehow reach a truce and that everyone can exchange ideas and not ad hominids. Happy New Year to everyone. I think I said it already oh well

  25. JuanP on Sat, 2nd Jan 2016 9:10 am 

    Davy, You just proved one more time that it is completely impossible to try to reason with you. I will completely ignore you from now on. Your idea that there is a silent majority in this forum that supports you is simply another one of your delusions and couldn’t be further from the truth. I am very sorry it had to end like this, it is a real pity. Like I said you are so mentally ill that you are completely beyond repair.

  26. Boat on Sat, 2nd Jan 2016 10:04 am 


    I, for one, don’t despise you, Davy. And, I respect and admire what you are doing with your farm. I will mostly ignore you, though, because I find your personal attacks insufferable. I know Mak and others, myself included, can be confrontational about our political and religious views, but so are you, and your reactions to our comments are disproportionate and excessively aggressive.

    Most of the doomers on this site react disproportionate and become personal. I think emotional instability is a prerequisite to gain admission to the cult. Jaun, didn’t you leave peak oil after a fight with Davy? Or do you have battered wife syndrome and came back for more.

  27. JuanP on Sat, 2nd Jan 2016 10:10 am 

    Boat, Do you think I should let one narcissistic delusional prick keep me from living my life the way I see fit? I changed my mind about it, something I do very often.

  28. Boat on Sat, 2nd Jan 2016 10:16 am 


    What about your attacks. Are you a changed girl now? If you are to change the tone of this site look no farther than Canada. They seem to have produced two rather rude people. Lol

  29. JuanP on Sat, 2nd Jan 2016 10:20 am 

    Boat, Onlooker is one of the more moderate and civilized posters on this forum. I, personally, wish I could be more like him.

  30. onlooker on Sat, 2nd Jan 2016 10:37 am 

    Excuse me Boat I am a guy not a girl.

  31. GregT on Sat, 2nd Jan 2016 12:12 pm 

    Boat said:

    “onlooker, What about your attacks. Are you a changed girl now?”

    You are so completely devoid of rational, considerate, and intelligent thought Boat, that it is quite frankly, pathetic.

  32. Apneaman on Sat, 2nd Jan 2016 1:21 pm 

    “the legitimate principal of self defense.”

    More special pleading and double standards from the 1%er Catholic boy wonder who has slung as many slings and arrows as anyone.

    Davy how come you are wasting time mindlessly arguing on the intertubes? Shouldn’t you be out helping your fellow Missourians “pick up the pieces” of what is left of their lives after the record breaking floods?

    Missouri, Illinois residents begin picking up pieces after record floods

    Some homes in rural regions still threatened by levee breaks along Mississippi River

    Where’s this great local unity you are always promoting? Where’s your patriotism? Shouldn’t patriotism be an action word? Going by the picture in the link, it looks like many Missourians are out there helping each other out in their time of need – slogging away in the mud and flotsam instead of talking about it online.

    Volunteers help flood victims

    They even come from other states – Doers, not talkers.

    Phoenix Red Cross volunteers help relief efforts in Missouri

  33. Davy on Sat, 2nd Jan 2016 1:35 pm 

    Boat, onlooker has made a big effort to remain neutral. I can’t remember a single personal attack out of him. As for you Bow tie this is not your fight so don’t stick your nose where it does not belong. You make my fight so much harder by your stupid ugly American attitudes and comments.

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