Timo wrote:A It would actually be refreshing to escape the absolute Hell of living through US presidential elections every four years here!
Cog wrote:Cuba aint got any central air or NASCAR. Why kind of existence is that? Sure we can all live in mud huts and grub around for roots and bugs but is that really the type of existence you doomers are looking to do? If so, go out and do it RIGHT NOW.
Cog wrote:Are you moving to Cuba Timo? Sounds like a paradise to me.
If Cuba is that outstanding worker's paradise that doomers have fantasized for so long, then why not move there? Do it for the children and planet. Give up that central AC and cold beer. Prove yourself a true climate change warrior.
Doomers, particularly those who think they can change the inevitable, are the biggest hypocrites I have ever encountered. At least with me, I consume and wreck the planet with no apologies. What doomers do is incessantly whine, point out their geographic utopia, and fail to move there and take part in it.
Newfie wrote:Cog wrote:Are you moving to Cuba Timo? Sounds like a paradise to me.
If Cuba is that outstanding worker's paradise that doomers have fantasized for so long, then why not move there? Do it for the children and planet. Give up that central AC and cold beer. Prove yourself a true climate change warrior.
Doomers, particularly those who think they can change the inevitable, are the biggest hypocrites I have ever encountered. At least with me, I consume and wreck the planet with no apologies. What doomers do is incessantly whine, point out their geographic utopia, and fail to move there and take part in it.
Cog,
You are projecting and throwing inflammatory rhetoric. Unfortunately some rise to the bait.
You response is totally off the point of the topic, a real troll.
No one is saying anything of the kind. Period.
Try to follow the point......many regions/state in the USA are utterly incapable of living in a self sustainable manner. I would wager NONE of the states are sustainable at this time. That means close the borders and still maintain your same population. Can't be done.
Some states are obviously closer to it than others. Arizona and NJ would both see massive die offs.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Cog wrote:I'm wondering if it is even possible to go backwards with regards to farming practices. Modern farming resembles a mining process more than sustainable agriculture. Without the addition of artificial fertilizers, would the soil even be organic rich enough to support going back to more ancient practices?
I would surmise that soils on the mega-farms might be so depleted of organics that it might take considerable amendments before you could generate food from what was once very rich soils.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Tanada wrote:Cog wrote:I'm wondering if it is even possible to go backwards with regards to farming practices. Modern farming resembles a mining process more than sustainable agriculture. Without the addition of artificial fertilizers, would the soil even be organic rich enough to support going back to more ancient practices?
I would surmise that soils on the mega-farms might be so depleted of organics that it might take considerable amendments before you could generate food from what was once very rich soils.
Unless there is a generalized collapse you don't have to do it all in one swift step. There are plenty of steps farmers could take individually if they would not be punished by the regulatory practices of the government and financial system for doing so. With removal of the disincentives things would start to shift back to more rational practices, farmers are just as smart as any lawyer. Most of them know that they are totally trapped by the current system. Give them the freedom to use better land management and most of them will.
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