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Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby waterpowerman1 » Tue 15 Aug 2017, 20:07:23

--Clearcut old-growth climax forest >
--a dense monocrop regrowth >
--ecosystem stress >
--tree dieoff >
--excess fuel loading and lack of fire breaks >
--fire catastrophe.

What do you mean clear cut. Nobody is logging up there. This is muskage gone dry.
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Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby pstarr » Tue 15 Aug 2017, 22:19:15

waterpowerman1 wrote:--Clearcut old-growth climax forest >
--a dense monocrop regrowth >
--ecosystem stress >
--tree dieoff >
--excess fuel loading and lack of fire breaks >
--fire catastrophe.

What do you mean clear cut. Nobody is logging up there. This is muskage gone dry.

Doesn't matter. I am responding to GW alarmism gone berserk. Anything that dohboi posts is automatically about GW Terror. It's too alarming for words.

as per this: wildfires-forestfires-2017-t73332.html#p1358371
dohboi wrote:More positive (= exacerbating) feedbacks:

Wildfires in Borneo are ten times larger during droughts than in non-drought years; global warming will increase the frequency & severity of such droughts:

Never a mention of man's wholesale destruction of forests. That is the true tragedy. We will stop the clearcutting and CO2 levels will drop centuries before these grand old ecosystems will every recover. If ever. They are precious for themselves, not as markers for man's idiocy
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Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby dohboi » Wed 16 Aug 2017, 15:41:33

Very smoky at ground level here in Minneapolis, apparently from Canadian fires hundreds of miles away.

...some 741,000 acres are burning in Saskatchewan this year, about 10 times what's normal.


https://www.mprnews.org/story/2015/07/06/air-quality
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Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby onlooker » Wed 16 Aug 2017, 15:58:29

looking very bad
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/336 ... kiwi-pilot
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Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby pstarr » Wed 16 Aug 2017, 17:16:49

As of the last report date (July 24, 2017*) 309,687 acres have burned in California. This has been an above average rain year. Seems to be a normal fire year.
(* The season typically ends in mid to late September, one month from now.)

Some recent data (in acres burned):
    2006: 678,919 (above average rain)
    2007: 1,087,110 (above average rain)
    2008: 1,375,781 (drought year)
    . . .
    2013: 577,675 (above average rain)
    2014: 631,434 (serious drought year)
    2015: 893,362 (serious drought year)
    2016: 565,070 (above average rain)
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2007 and 2008 stand out (right click for entire pix). One a normal year, the other a drought. Little or no correlation between the two data sets.
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Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby dohboi » Wed 16 Aug 2017, 18:24:11

Thanks, ol. That's quite a read, and amazing pictures. I wonder if anyone is measuring how much of North America is either on fire now or affected by the smoke from fires right now.
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Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby pstarr » Wed 16 Aug 2017, 18:31:02

dohboi wrote:Thanks, ol. That's quite a read, and amazing pictures. I wonder if anyone is measuring how much of North America is either on fire now or affected by the smoke from fires right now.

dohboi, there are all sorts of data sources, as per you question.
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Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby dohboi » Wed 16 Aug 2017, 23:36:53

p always elevates the level of discourse around here to such lofty heights...what a wonder and inspiration he is to us all! :-D
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Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby pstarr » Thu 17 Aug 2017, 00:54:25

There you go, playing to an imaginary audience again. Kind of creepy especially after ignoring a real person, me.

I had just handed you real data that I bothered to compile and discuss. You are a narcissist
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Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby yellowcanoe » Thu 17 Aug 2017, 08:46:46

BC's fire season is now the worst on record and with no end to the dry conditions in sight, a lot more forest will be destroyed before this years fire season ends. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... 35?cmp=rss
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Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby onlooker » Thu 17 Aug 2017, 09:34:08

Doh, I found this with an easy to read depiction of fires currently burning in the US
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/PublicInfor ... f75162b3f4
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Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 17 Aug 2017, 13:35:06

Thanks yc and ol for the useful info.

I also found this map that shows Canada currently almost completely covered in smoke plumes of varying intensities.
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Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby pstarr » Thu 17 Aug 2017, 15:22:57

Yeah, well the Great California Drought came and went and it seems there is no direct correlation between said Drought and increased fire occurrence.

The Great California Drought, imagined as the End-Times Drought 8O the paradigm switch over to a new climate regime . . . where fires rage, people die and the pall of smoke blocks the sun . . . and . . . and . . . It turns out the smokey pall is another godd@mned climatological negative feedback effect. Oh dang! There goes Gaia ruining our doomy fun lol

So you can all breath an easy sigh of re . . . leaf :) 8) We are not going to die after all
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Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

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Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby dohboi » Sat 19 Aug 2017, 11:03:52

Canada's forests are on fire, and the smoke is so thick it's breaking records

http://mashable.com/2017/08/17/canada-i ... cC5rxJkqq7

Forests in Canada are ablaze, with 2.2 million acres going up in flames so far this year in British Columbia alone. These fires, and others in the Yukon and Northwest Territories, have been belching smoke into the air, in some cases up to 8 miles high...
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Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby dohboi » Sat 02 Sep 2017, 13:48:22

Skies here in MN have been hazy for days with the smoke from Western US and Canadian fires.

No this:

‘Unique’ La Tuna Fire Scorches 5,000 Acres in Verdugo Mountains, Becomes Largest Blaze in L.A. City History


http://ktla.com/2017/09/02/la-tuna-fire ... k-l-a/amp/
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Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby pstarr » Sat 02 Sep 2017, 13:54:39

Up here in the northwoods, a 5,000 acre fire is 'backburn'
A backburn is similar to a burnout, but requires a slightly more sophisticated technique. Once a control line is established, firefighters may set a controlled blaze downwind of the main fire, just on the inside of the control line. Firefighters then push the new blaze back toward the main fire, burning up all the fuel that lies between the fire and the control line.

Now if the damn thing had taken out just a few of those arrogant atrocious invasive Hollywood Hills mansions . . .
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Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby dohboi » Sat 02 Sep 2017, 14:13:32

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Are you getting any of that heat up there that I've heard is hitting the Bay area?
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Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby pstarr » Sat 02 Sep 2017, 14:42:01

dohboi wrote::lol: :lol: :lol:

Are you getting any of that heat up there that I've heard is hitting the Bay area?

Might be record high for the day? The back porch says 84 degrees at 2:38. 91 at Freshwater where my wife is swimming. yikes. Now is the hottest time of the year which Sept average high of 67 degrees.
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Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby dohboi » Sat 02 Sep 2017, 14:46:09

Wow, you've never posted a picture of yourself before!

You look maaarvelous!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Stay cool and safe in that northern CA hell you call home, safe behind your redwood curtain! :lol: :lol:

But back on topic, it looks like your gov is taking the fires rather seriously:

California governor declares wildfire state of emergency

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1BD013
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