seenmostofit wrote:Considering their track record (the IEA is a great example of "don't worry, be happy" if there ever was one), let alone their claims that peak oil happened years ago, why pay any attention to them at all? They have obviously missed the boat before, and just because they happen to appear with us today doesn't mean they won't pull an about face tomorrow?
ralfy wrote:seenmostofit wrote:Considering their track record (the IEA is a great example of "don't worry, be happy" if there ever was one), let alone their claims that peak oil happened years ago, why pay any attention to them at all? They have obviously missed the boat before, and just because they happen to appear with us today doesn't mean they won't pull an about face tomorrow?
Indeed, which is why you have the rest of my post. With that, and following your points, we should see a worst-case scenario, i.e., no 9-pct increase in production but a decline coupled with increasing demand.
vision-master wrote:Shorty?
seenmostofit wrote:Is anyone going to let me in on the joke, or do I have to figure it out all by myself?
Lore wrote:seenmostofit wrote:Is anyone going to let me in on the joke, or do I have to figure it out all by myself?
Shorty was a former ghost turd that won't flush.
eXpat wrote:Lore wrote:seenmostofit wrote:Is anyone going to let me in on the joke, or do I have to figure it out all by myself?
Shorty was a former ghost turd that won't flush.
Aye, and to troll, he likes to mix selected bit of facts, misinformation and all sort of logical fallacies. Also He/She has a penchant for names such as: ReserveGrowthRules, shortonsense and ...seenmostofit??
dsula wrote:rangerone314 wrote: In any event, in 15 or 20 years when there are multiple massive resource wars,
Exactly, it's always next year, or in 5 years, or in 20 years.
Listen to Kunstler, he's predicting doom next week, for how long now?
rangerone314 wrote:dsula wrote:rangerone314 wrote: In any event, in 15 or 20 years when there are multiple massive resource wars,
Exactly, it's always next year, or in 5 years, or in 20 years.
Listen to Kunstler, he's predicting doom next week, for how long now?
I'm not Kunstler. And would it make you happier if I predicted doom in 3 years and it didn't happen.
I sure as hell hope it doesn't happen in less than 15 years; my preps won't be completely done until about 12 years.
It's a slow grinding process towards a miserable life. Nothing can be done. Everything cost more to buy each year, but your salary stays the same. Then you loose your job, you can't afford your health insurance, then you loose your house and before you know it you go thru garbage to find food. And in the end you die.
davep wrote:It's a slow grinding process towards a miserable life. Nothing can be done. Everything cost more to buy each year, but your salary stays the same. Then you loose your job, you can't afford your health insurance, then you loose your house and before you know it you go thru garbage to find food. And in the end you die.
Surely being able to grow your own food in a place you own outright would help mitigate that? So something can be done, but I agree it won't necessarily be pretty.
Think of all the tools, machines (small and large), spare parts, fences, seeds, processing, glas, pots etc. you need. Once you can't get that no more you're in dire straits, even with 100 acres of land.
And on top of that you get yourself into a defense nightmare. A succesful farm will surely attract hungry visitors. Sometimes I think it's best to actually not own anyhting at all but skills and flexibility. Having a 'homestead' is just an enormous burden and once supplies run short it will start falling apart.
pstarr wrote:dsula, you apparently do not understand property tax . A municipality can not afford to tax all property beyond the owners ability to pay, otherwise the tax base disappears.
You go delinquent, your property is up for auction.
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