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WHO finds Roundup 'Probable Carcinogen'

Re: WHO finds Roundup 'Probable Carcinogen'

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Mon 22 Feb 2016, 21:36:10

vox_mundi wrote:KJ has been watching too many Jolly Green Giant commercials - thinks they're all real.

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Back in the good old days when insecticides contained lethal levels of lead and arsenic.
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Re: WHO finds Roundup 'Probable Carcinogen'

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Tue 23 Feb 2016, 06:57:57

As an experiment in groupthink, this is a fascinating thread. Certain members are now advocating positions very different from those they held in the 2013 debate on Permaculture, and in some cases, diametrically opposed positions. Yet they have the mass disfunction I described just yesterday in the thread on IQ decline. They do not doubt that they have held their current opinions forever, and deny their own words which are still accessible in the Forum archives.

As a clear window into the naked psyche and thoughts of others, internet forums have no equal.

It is absolutely true that DDT contamination is thinning the eggshells of Antarctic penguins, causing an epidemic of gestation failures among many species of birds, Yet it is also true that DDT saves millions of humans per year from death or chronic illness from malaria, while it has the real side effects described by Carson in Silent Spring in 1962. We discussed this in my sixth grade class in 1963, back when public schools were not troubled by the needs of Diversity, Political Correctness, and other distractions from quality education.

Don't worry overmuch - DDT and all other petrochemicals go away with cheap oil. Those that survive the reeking swamps of the tropics without such crutches will be those who can tolerate malaria as an endemic disease - which pretty well lets out White Europeans, whose genome is adapted to more Northern climates.

I have a hunch that without glyphosate, the GMO corn varieties will be replaced by more conventional varieties, and that many of these will be the soft corns intended for direct consumption by human beings, in a future world where we eat more corn bread, less wheat, and almost no beef.

Again (I think I am creating a cliche) welcome to the post peak world.
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Re: WHO finds Roundup 'Probable Carcinogen'

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Tue 23 Feb 2016, 08:03:21

dohboi wrote:????

Are you knee-jerk prejudices showing again?

I know of no major Anti-GMO group that has anti-vaccination as a major (or really even minor) part of their program. But it's not something I spend a lot of time looking into, so let's just check the first few groups that pop up on google from seaching 'anti-gmo':


Just browse the youtube videos of Stephanie Seneff, the MIT make believe scientist who says Roundup causes autism - she is 100% anti-vaxxer

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... ie+Seneff+

I'm sorry, but you just have to deal with the fact that there's a big overlap between the anti-vaxxers and the anti-roundup folks. The anti-GMO sites are >70% anti-vaxxer.
dohboi wrote:But I'll let you go back to be further programmed now by your overlords so they can tell you exactly what to think and say next.
Stuff like that makes you sound like a hopeless nutcase.

Yeah, we get it, it's a prank, it's trolling, like being a Sandy Hook Truther, who also go around saying things like "But I'll let you go back to be further programmed now by your overlords." How much you want to bet lots of the Sandy Hook Truthers also claim Roundup is destroying the world?
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Re: WHO finds Roundup 'Probable Carcinogen'

Unread postby dohboi » Tue 23 Feb 2016, 08:51:52

You talked about sites. I showed you that the top sites on google indicate no such overlap.

Anyone can always find one person that believes any kind of weird combination of things. Proves precisely nothing.
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Re: WHO finds Roundup 'Probable Carcinogen'

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Tue 23 Feb 2016, 13:35:07

dohboi wrote:You talked about sites. I showed you that the top sites on google indicate no such overlap.

Anyone can always find one person that believes any kind of weird combination of things. Proves precisely nothing.


Seneff is the big "authority" on the dangers of Roundup and she does not believe in any vaccines.

As far as the web, well there's the March Against Mosanto folks

http://www.march-against-monsanto.com/d ... u-to-know/

and of course Natural News has always been anti-GMO and anti-vaxxer, not counting the Truthers and antisemites that work there.

Honestly, if you are baffled by the internet and the Google "site:" function, why should anyone believe you're Einstein in other areas?
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Re: WHO finds Roundup 'Probable Carcinogen'

Unread postby careinke » Tue 23 Feb 2016, 16:07:32

KaiserJeep wrote:As an experiment in groupthink, this is a fascinating thread. Certain members are now advocating positions very different from those they held in the 2013 debate on Permaculture, and in some cases, diametrically opposed positions. Yet they have the mass disfunction I described just yesterday in the thread on IQ decline. They do not doubt that they have held their current opinions forever, and deny their own words which are still accessible in the Forum archives.


I've noticed that more and more, at least with permaculture. I find it encouraging that humans can adopt and even apply, better more environmental thinking. It demonstrates how quickly we can adapt if needed.

People tend to forget their errors, especially if they adopt a better story/strategy. No point in remembering them.
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Re: WHO finds Roundup 'Probable Carcinogen'

Unread postby vox_mundi » Wed 15 Mar 2017, 19:53:43

EPA Official Accused of Helping Monsanto ‘Kill’ Cancer Study

The Environmental Protection Agency official who was in charge of evaluating the cancer risk of Monsanto Co.’s Roundup allegedly bragged to a company executive that he deserved a medal if he could kill another agency’s investigation into the herbicide’s key chemical.

The boast was made during an April 2015 phone conversation, according to farmers and others who say they’ve been sickened by the weed killer. After leaving his job as a manager in the EPA’s pesticide division last year, Jess Rowland has become a central figure in more than 20 lawsuits in the U.S. accusing the company of failing to warn consumers and regulators of the risk that its glyphosate-based herbicide can cause non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma.

“If I can kill this I should get a medal,” Rowland told a Monsanto regulatory affairs manager who recounted the conversation in an email to his colleagues, according to a court filing made public Tuesday. The company was seeking Rowland’s help stopping an investigation of glyphosate by a separate office, the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry, that is part of the U.S. Health and Human Service Department, according to the filing.

A federal judge overseeing the glyphosate litigation in San Francisco said last month he’s inclined to order Rowland to submit to questioning by lawyers for the plaintiffs, who contend he had a "highly suspicious" relationship with Monsanto. Rowland oversaw a committee that found insufficient evidence to conclude glyphosate causes cancer and quit last year shortly after his report was leaked to the press.

The plaintiffs’ lawyers say Rowland’s communications with Monsanto employees show the regulator who was supposed to be policing the company was actually working on its behalf.

The unsealing of the court documents "represents a huge development in public health," said Tim Litzenburg, one of the lawyers suing Monsanto. Regulatory agencies, scientists, consumers and physicians "can see some of what Monsanto was actually engaging in behind the scenes, and how they have manipulated the scientific literature to date. That’s important to their decision-making, not just our lawsuits."

Plaintiffs’ lawyers said in another filing made public Tuesday that Monsanto’s toxicology manager and his boss, Bill Heydens, were ghost writers for two of the reports, including one from 2000, that Rowland’s committee relied on in part to reach its conclusion that glyphosate shouldn’t be classified as carcinogenic.

The EPA “may be unaware of Monsanto’s deceptive authorship practice,” the lawyers said.

Among the documents unsealed was a February 2015 internal email exchange at the company about how to contain costs for a research paper. The plaintiff lawyers cited it to support their claim that the EPA report is unreliable, unlike a report by an international agency that classified glyphosate as a probable carcinogen.

... Asked about emails specifically describing Monsanto working with Rowland to kill the glyphosate investigation by the toxic substances agency, a Monsanto spokesperson said he would review the messages and respond at a later date.

The company on March 10 lost a court bid to keep glyphosate off California’s public list of cancer-causing chemicals.


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Re: WHO finds Roundup 'Probable Carcinogen'

Unread postby dissident » Wed 15 Mar 2017, 22:41:07

Where are all the smarmy posters who denied the toxicity of glyphosate? They use it on their lawns so it must be safe for consumption.

Corporations whine about suffocating regulation because they want to peddle sh*t to consumers. It's the most efficient way to make money. Monsanto is a poster boy for disproving all the bleeding hearts (noses?) who cry for the poor oppressed corporations.
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