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When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 01 Jan 2017, 23:40:10

'Urban areas tend to grow vertically'

Some do, many don't. Certainly not around here.

If you're going to call something a lie, perhaps you should back us such claims as the above with data?? :)

Have you ever heard of the term 'suburban sprawl'? Do you know to what it refers? Perhaps the term 'urban' in the article is confusing you? They clearly mean metropolitan areas, not just cities proper.

Note that in usage, 'urban sprawl' and 'suburban sprawl' are generally used interchangeably, as here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_sprawl#Urbanization

And note the following from that link:
Urban sprawl is not limited to developed countries, and may be more prevalent in developing countries. For example, there is considerable land consumed by urban sprawl in Mexico City, in the national capital region that surrounds Delhi, in Beijing, the new desert developments of October City, and New Cairo to the west and east of Cairo (respectively), in Antananarivo (the capital of Madagascar), in Karachi, in Islamabad Capital Territory, in Johannesburg, in Mumbai and in eastern parts of South Africa.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sun 01 Jan 2017, 23:45:33

dohboi wrote:'Urban areas tend to grow vertically'

Some do, many don't. Certainly not around here.

If you're going to call something a lie, perhaps you should back us such claims as the above with data?? :)

Have you ever heard of the term 'suburban sprawl'? Do you know to what it refers?

Just for starters. The article predicts "urban areas" will increase by 300 percent.
Suburban areas are not Urban so Suburban sprawl is not what they were claiming.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby pstarr » Mon 02 Jan 2017, 01:48:50

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It's the bad neighborhood in Mexico City. Must be why there's no Trump Tower anywhere :?
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby dohboi » Mon 02 Jan 2017, 17:29:27

Got it. You don't understand that when they say 'urban' they mean metropolitan. (And apparently don't want to get it, so fine, I'll move on.)

Best to get back to the topic of the title of the thread.

No one seems to have pointed out that, in the US at least, Mass has been dying off for the last 60 years at least--people just aren't into that old time religion any more! :lol: :lol:


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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby pstarr » Mon 02 Jan 2017, 18:17:57

Technology is America's religion. Facebook is the Sacrament, Techtopia our heaven and The Singularity is God.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Mon 02 Jan 2017, 19:24:22

dohboi wrote:Got it. You don't understand that when they say 'urban' they mean metropolitan. (And apparently don't want to get it, so fine, I'll move on.)
OK fine add in all the ghetto areas from Mexico city to Calcutta. That still doesn't add up to a fourteen percent a year growth rate for any country with the possible exception of Nigeria.

Best to get back to the topic of the title of the thread.

No one seems to have pointed out that, in the US at least, Mass has been dying off for the last 60 years at least--people just aren't into that old time religion any more! :lol: :lol:


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Ha Ha! :lol: The decline in Mass attendance in the US is due to parishioners finally realizing that their priest were either butt f##king their sons or covering up for the priests that did.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby sparky » Mon 02 Jan 2017, 23:25:11

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" The world will be free when the last king is hung with the guts of the last priest " Montesquieu
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 03 Jan 2017, 03:04:39

sparky wrote:.
" The world will be free when the last king is hung with the guts of the last priest " Montesquieu


And the day after that the new King will show up because the vast majority of humans are followers, and that new King will pick a new Priest to help convince the people the King is Divinely Inspired to lead them.

It is a truism that you can randomly select just about any tribe of humans anywhere and they will be easily separated into leaders, followers and a shaman/priest/advisor. Ask an anthropologist. There is a tribal instinct in humans and you might suppress it now and then but that does not make it go away. Snatch a random 100 humans from anywhere and drop them on a deserted island and within a couple weeks there will be a leadership structure, and advisory structure, and a bunch of followers. Probably a few bad actors as well and those will encourage the follower personalities to beseech the leader personalities to protect everyone from the bad people/wildlife/food shortage/disaster.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby ralfy » Tue 03 Jan 2017, 05:48:38

vtsnowedin wrote:
dohboi wrote:The Guardian is at least a notch or two above much of the rest of msm.

Here's another post of theirs that seems relevant here:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... study-says

Growing mega-cities will displace vast tracts of farmland by 2030

I don't have to read far into this one to call foul.
Consider this quote from the intro of the article.
By 2030, it’s estimated that urban areas will triple in size,

Now the worlds population is growing and the majority of it lives in urban areas but it is not growing at rates that would achieve that projection. To triple by 2030 would require a growth rate in excess of fourteen percent a year while the actual rate is just over two percent.
Not that two percent a year is not a real problem but perhaps that can be dealt with by building vertically or birth control to avoid the problem completely.


Might it refer to urban migration?
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 03 Jan 2017, 07:50:43

Well put Tanada. And if there is 100 more folks on an adjacent island there will be war.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby sparky » Sat 07 Jan 2017, 17:44:09

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Between Montesquieu and Tanada , I suspect it's Tanada which is right
mind you , hanging kings sound like fun .
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby onlooker » Sat 07 Jan 2017, 17:46:37

If you really want to stamp out Kings stamp out the very idea of them.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby diemos » Sat 07 Jan 2017, 18:02:25

dohboi wrote:No one seems to have pointed out that, in the US at least, Mass has been dying off for the last 60 years at least--people just aren't into that old time religion any more!


Wow. A graph with no y-axis label.

How useful. \sarc
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby pstarr » Sat 07 Jan 2017, 18:18:17

diemos wrote:
dohboi wrote:No one seems to have pointed out that, in the US at least, Mass has been dying off for the last 60 years at least--people just aren't into that old time religion any more!


Wow. A graph with no y-axis label.

How useful. \sarc

If I recollect correctly, the last president (that would be Bush II) converted to some damn pentacoastal region and claimed to talk in tongues. Most republicans still do hah hah
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby Subjectivist » Sat 07 Jan 2017, 22:12:26

onlooker wrote:If you really want to stamp out Kings stamp out the very idea of them.


How do you propose stamping out an instictive behavior?
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby onlooker » Sat 07 Jan 2017, 22:57:45

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onlooker wrote:If you really want to stamp out Kings stamp out the very idea of them.


How do you propose stamping out an instictive behavior?

By overriding it with more benevolent impulses and emotions. Listen our history is compelling in showcasing our primitive impulses and instincts of a more negative tint. Selfishness, greed and aggression have certainly been showcased. But interspersed with these impulses have been more benevolent and enlightened ones such as empathy, altruism, compassion and love. Our species now stands at the threshold I believe of waking up to all this both intellectually and most important viscerally. We stand connected as never before, most of us are aware of our sordid history. So, I believe that we can evolve into more enlightened beings. We also stand on the threshold of total ruin. So this period stands as a fork in the road. Even if what appears is going to happen, happens, meaning the total disintegration of our civilization and much death and destruction, we can navigate it in many cases with an abiding sense of unity, understanding we all are the same and confronting the same challenges. And feeling in a form of awaken consciousness that we must and can via benevolent good will together navigate the future. But this must be what ALL of us must truly want.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby kiwichick » Sun 08 Jan 2017, 00:33:34

@ onlooker....sounds fantastic .....but I fear you may be a little bit optimistic
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby Ibon » Sun 08 Jan 2017, 06:15:54

onlooker wrote:And feeling in a form of awaken consciousness that we must and can via benevolent good will together navigate the future. But this must be what ALL of us must truly want.


I don't think this is optimistic or idealistic. I think this is exactly what will happen. When ALL of us refers to those on the other side of the bottleneck carry forward with the lessons learned from all those nasty corrections and consequences. There will be great unity and consensus for those who survive the upcoming constraints and correction.

On this side of the bottleneck before events conspire then indeed, as Kiwichick stated, it is just a wee bit optimistic. Benevolence and awakened consciousness is at the moment in short supply. In fact the higher you go on the macro institutional level be it government, religion, private enterprise, economic alliances, trade agreements, etc. you see a lot of un awakened consciousness as these institutions try all the harder to strengthen the very pillars that are leading us rapidly toward instability.

It is awakened consciousness at the moment to no longer devote energy in attempting to mitigate. Awakened consciousness TODAY means actually embracing the dismantling, it is understanding that the malevolence and divisiveness within our over populated global civilization is actually adaptive. That wars are an elixer to get the ball moving.

Kaiser Jeep on another thread (or was it this one) rebutted that our current global civilization is not dysfunctional but highly functional and efficient which is true in the short term in how we maintain currently our population and the distribution of food and services. On the surface this is true, below the surface there are rumblings of contention that will blossom in the near future to full blown conflict and divisiveness. What will happen later in the 21st century will be a real ecological crisis of Lebensraum.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby onlooker » Sun 08 Jan 2017, 09:11:05

Ibon at least two of us think it can and/or will happen. Glad some of us here are not ready to give up on the Human experiment.
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Re: When will the mass dieoff begin? Pt. 3

Unread postby Cog » Sun 08 Jan 2017, 09:32:17

onlooker wrote:If you really want to stamp out Kings stamp out the very idea of them.


If you set out to kill the king, you better make sure you do it. Otherwise, its your neck in the noose.
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