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Re: What is the American Dream?

Unread postby Taghayee » Tue 25 Nov 2008, 11:32:41

Alcassin wrote:
There is nothing wrong with supporting the "Orange" side in Ukraine


Well, I just detest supporting one oligarchy (which is pro-western) against second oligarchy (which is pro-russian), because they are supposedly on "our" side.

During days of the so-called "revolution" when "spontaneously" orange youth build a tent city on asphalt in Kiev, in our university I got a call that next day I have to wear something "orange". It's Poland, our youth organized demonstration, and gave leaflets... whatever...

And I came in blue for various of reasons, but mainly to enrage organizers. However, I would be dissapointed much if any of our neighbour would interfere in our internal affairs like we did in Ukraine; especially if they would support any kind of oligarchy.

Way to avoid CIA snare. Bravo for showing them that your a human and not a sheep.
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Re: What is the American Dream?

Unread postby skeptik » Tue 25 Nov 2008, 11:38:42

Could we have that again in English please? - I lost the will to live about a quarter of the way through.
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Re: What is the American Dream?

Unread postby galacticsurfer » Tue 25 Nov 2008, 12:05:42

In wikipedia it says there are 210 million orphans globally.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphanage

Good articles here on Russia:
http://www.jamestown.org/index.php

Eurasian Daily Monitor:
http://www.jamestown.org/edm/

http://www.jamestown.org/terrorism/

At the World Socialist Web site on poverty, alcoholism in Russia:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/jan20 ... -j22.shtml

Lots of books to download here with stats sometimes in English on everything in russia:
http://www.info.gks.ru/katalog/s04e.htm

Here lots of stuff on Russia from Harvard:
http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/reg ... ussia.html

From this website reports on everything by date and alphabetical, Russia too:
http://blogs.uct.ac.za/blog/amandla/200 ... ation-2008
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Re: What is the American Dream?

Unread postby pedalling_faster » Tue 25 Nov 2008, 16:35:25

when a Muslim kills civilians in a foreign land, it's terrorism.

when an American soldier kills civilians in a foreign land, it's patriotism and they're serving their country.

= the American delusion.
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Re: What is the American Dream?

Unread postby Nickel » Tue 25 Nov 2008, 16:55:52

evgeny wrote:Victory Day for the Polish plumber


Isn't this the punchline of some off-colour joke you tell when Polish guys aren't listening? :-D
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Re: What is the American Dream?

Unread postby dissident » Tue 25 Nov 2008, 22:13:41

Alcassin,

I totally agree with you. Ukraine does not need NATO or Russian meddling and should have real independence. Yushenko wants to shove Ukraine into NATO even though only 20% of the population support this. This is anti-democratic abuse of power especially since his approval rating is worse than that of Bush.
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Re: What is the American Dream?

Unread postby evgeny » Tue 25 Nov 2008, 22:25:25

Nickel wrote:
evgeny wrote:Victory Day for the Polish plumber


Isn't this the punchline of some off-colour joke you tell when Polish guys aren't listening? :-D


Polish News , from polish newspaper :lol:
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Re: What is the American Dream?

Unread postby evgeny » Tue 25 Nov 2008, 22:29:59

dissident wrote:Alcassin,

I totally agree with you. Ukraine does not need NATO or Russian meddling and should have real independence. Yushenko wants to shove Ukraine into NATO even though only 20% of the population support this. This is anti-democratic abuse of power especially since his approval rating is worse than that of Bush.


Russian Center for the Study of Public Opinion (VTsIOM) found against the inhabitants of the former Soviet republics to each other.

Belarus citizens who consider Russia a friendly country (74%). Well belong to Russia and Armenia (82% of respondents), Kazakhstan (67%), Kyrgyzstan (74%), Tajikistan (89%), Uzbekistan (78%) and Moldova (49%).

More than half (58%) residents of Ukraine, despite the complex relations of our nations, called Russia a friendly country.
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Re: What is the American Dream?

Unread postby Alcassin » Wed 26 Nov 2008, 00:45:41

evgeny wrote:More than half (58%) residents of Ukraine, despite the complex relations of our nations, called Russia a friendly country.


I read this as a very good sign, because Ukraine unlikely to any EU country can be a real political and economical bridge between Russia and West. This would be a very important thing to create conditions for peace and development between those two powers.

Ukraine should benefit from its position not be torn in half, but it requires Euro-Russian truce in current state of matters, and we should start to think about Ukraine as a real country and political partner not as a battlefield.

And if I think this way, I say this would be the best option, however unfortunately I don't think it's possible... There are conditions for it, but there isn't and will not be, in my opinion, political will.
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Re: What is the American Dream?

Unread postby evgeny » Wed 26 Nov 2008, 12:40:06

dissident wrote:Alcassin,

I totally agree with you. Ukraine does not need NATO or Russian meddling and should have real independence. Yushenko wants to shove Ukraine into NATO even though only 20% of the population support this. This is anti-democratic abuse of power especially since his approval rating is worse than that of Bush.



Yushchenko mars Orange anniversary


Nov. 22 was the fourth anniversary of the Orange Revolution and, in the West and in Ukraine, fatigue is growing with Viktor Yushchenko, Ukraine's president and erstwhile Orange Revolution hero.

On Ukraine's domestic front, Ukrainians blame Mr. Yushchenko for four years of political instability that have led to repeated crises and the likelihood that five governments and three elections will come and go before the end of his first term in office. Internationally, Mr. Yushchenko's visit to Washington two months ago proved to be a diplomatic failure. Gone were the accolades that accompanied his triumphant visit to Washington four years earlier, when he was given the rare honor of speaking to both houses of Congress.

On the fourth anniversary of the revolution that brought Mr. Yushchenko to power, a newly released survey by the International Foundation for Electoral Studies (IFES) found increasing pessimism among Ukrainians regarding the direction in which their country is headed. Mr. Yushchenko's job-approval rating stands at 3 percent. Eighty-two percent of Ukrainians express no confidence in him, and three-quarters think he should not stand for a second term.


This deep unpopularity and lack of trust raises the question: How can Mr. Yushchenko hope to successfully lead Ukraine out of the global financial crisis?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/nov/26/yushchenko-mars-orange-anniversary/
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Re: What is the American Dream?

Unread postby evgeny » Thu 27 Nov 2008, 19:56:41

Meant No Disrespect for Polish people.
just polish politics are clown. :oops:
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Re: What is the American Dream?

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Fri 28 Nov 2008, 03:54:33

Alcassin wrote:Ukraine should benefit from its position not be torn in half, but it requires Euro-Russian truce in current state of matters, and we should start to think about Ukraine as a real country and political partner not as a battlefield.

IMO it will remain to be a battlefield in foreseeable future.
I one way or another but it will...

Fire in the steppe, you know what I mean. :-D

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Re: What is the American Dream?

Unread postby evgeny » Fri 28 Nov 2008, 11:34:31

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Re: What is the American Dream?

Unread postby Taghayee » Fri 28 Nov 2008, 22:14:17

a world without africa.... 8O

what about diamonds?
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Re: What is the American Dream?

Unread postby Alcassin » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 04:40:54

EnergyUnlimited wrote:
Alcassin wrote:Ukraine should benefit from its position not be torn in half, but it requires Euro-Russian truce in current state of matters, and we should start to think about Ukraine as a real country and political partner not as a battlefield.

IMO it will remain to be a battlefield in foreseeable future.
I one way or another but it will...

Fire in the steppe, you know what I mean. :-D


I know what you mean, and it doesn't look rosy...
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