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how crude oil is formed?

Unread postby sureshbansal342 » Sat 20 Aug 2011, 03:33:58

earth is a living thing like a tree and meteorite having amino acids and biological chemistry are seeds of planets. as one tree is a result of one seed same one planet is a result of one meteor (seed) only. oil is being produced in earth by metabolism of earth only not by fossil oil theory. fossil oil theory is just manipulation according to requirement. crude oil is linked with living organism because earth itself is a living thing and producing oil like a bark oil.please see following video for more clarification. crude oil is being produced in the crust (bark of earth) like this.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC7i5CY6XNo&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3lG3FX9D68

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Re: how crude oil is formed?

Unread postby americandream » Sat 20 Aug 2011, 03:48:34

sureshbansal342 wrote:earth is a living thing like a tree and meteorite having amino acids and biological chemistry are seeds of planets. as one tree is a result of one seed same one planet is a result of one meteor (seed) only. oil is being produced in earth by metabolism of earth only not by fossil oil theory. fossil oil theory is just manipulation according to requirement. crude oil is linked with living organism because earth itself is a living thing and producing oil like a bark oil.please see following video for more clarification. crude oil is being produced in the crust (bark of earth) like this.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC7i5CY6XNo&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3lG3FX9D68

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Re: how crude oil is formed?

Unread postby Pops » Sat 20 Aug 2011, 07:04:49

Suresh, it doesn't matter if it's worm excrement or if it flows through from a 4th dimension or was left by God as a joke: it is a finite resource on a human timescale.
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Re: how crude oil is formed?

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Sat 20 Aug 2011, 09:29:04

someone please point this gentleman to the abiotic oil thread.
I can't possibly go through this once again! :cry:
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Re: how crude oil is formed?

Unread postby Pops » Sat 20 Aug 2011, 09:58:10

rockdoc123 wrote:someone please point this gentleman to the abiotic oil thread.
I can't possibly go through this once again! :cry:

The first 50 pages...
The last 6 pages.

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Re: how crude oil is formed?

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Thu 01 Sep 2011, 00:37:03

rockdoc123 wrote:someone please point this gentleman to the abiotic oil thread.
I can't possibly go through this once again! :cry:


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Re: how crude oil is formed?

Unread postby sureshbansal342 » Fri 13 Jan 2012, 12:12:03

If we observe the current biotic and abiotic theories of petroleum.evidences from abiotic theory people are very strong and sufficient that petroleum has deep origin but unfortunately they diverted it toward it's abiotic origin. No need to manipluate the strong chemical evidence of biotic origin. Let them free as it is.so it concludes that oil is both and biotic in origin like a bark oil.sediments are good indicator of presence of oil near by but no involvement to produce it.I can prove it with experiments.
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A differently biotic oil?

Unread postby davep » Fri 15 Mar 2013, 15:48:09

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/03/oceanic-crust-ecosystem/all/

‘Parallel Universe’ of Life Described Far Beneath the Bottom of the Sea

Deep beneath the ocean floor off the Pacific Northwest coast, scientists have described the existence of a potentially vast realm of life, one almost completely disconnected from the world above.

Persisting in microscopic cracks in the basalt rocks of Earth’s oceanic crust is a complex microbial ecosystem fueled entirely by chemical reactions with rocks and seawater, rather than sunlight or the organic byproducts of light-harvesting terrestrial and aquatic ecosystems.

Such modes of life, technically known as chemosynthetic, are not unprecedented, having also been found deep in mine shafts and around seafloor hydrothermal vents. Never before, though, have they been found on so vast a scale. In pure geographical area, these oceanic crust systems may contain the largest ecosystem on Earth...
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Re: A differently biotic oil?

Unread postby Econ101 » Sat 16 Mar 2013, 10:03:22

There is also a growing body of evidence it is these microbes that are creating oil and oil is not finite at all, even though the vast supplies available to us now seem infinite they are not. They may only last a few hundred years more if its not being continually replenished by the earth.
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Re: A differently biotic oil?

Unread postby Lore » Sat 16 Mar 2013, 10:22:03

There is also a growing body of evidence, from those same impeccable sources, that monkeys will eventually fly out of Daniel Yergin's ass.
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Re: A differently biotic oil?

Unread postby davep » Sat 16 Mar 2013, 11:38:33

Econ101 wrote:There is also a growing body of evidence it is these microbes that are creating oil and oil is not finite at all, even though the vast supplies available to us now seem infinite they are not. They may only last a few hundred years more if its not being continually replenished by the earth.


Whether oil comes from vegetation or subterranean life forms (or both), the basic biotic principle doesn't change, just the biological source of the carbon-based molecules that will constitute the oil. This doesn't make the supply any more or less finite over human timescales. It may or may not alter where we should look for oil.
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Re: A differently biotic oil?

Unread postby dinopello » Sat 16 Mar 2013, 12:02:23

davep wrote:Whether oil comes from vegetation or subterranean life forms (or both), the basic biotic principle doesn't change, just the biological source of the carbon-based molecules that will constitute the oil. This doesn't make the supply any more or less finite over human timescales. It may or may not alter where we should look for oil.


I think the hope is that with these life forms combined with genetic engineering we could create a very prolific bacteria that will turn all our poop into oil. And, if we can do that, we can make one that will turn it into gold or diamonds or cheeseburgers. And with that we can afford to terraform the other planets with them and get off this over-crowded rock.
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Re: A differently biotic oil?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 16 Mar 2013, 12:05:02

Where does the oil come into it? The article talks about these microbes releasing METHANE---it never mentions oil

We've got similar things in permafrost up here in Alaska--- microbes there also generate METHANE
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Unread postby Buddy_J » Sat 16 Mar 2013, 12:44:44

Plantagenet wrote:Where does the oil come into it? The article talks about these microbes releasing METHANE---it never mentions oil

We've got similar things in permafrost up here in Alaska--- microbes there also generate METHANE


They also do the same thing in Michigan! And then, even better, they store all this methane in shales!!

Has anyone considered shale as a renewable resource if it is fueled by microbes?

http://www.ur.umich.edu/9697/Sep17_96/artcl25.htm
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Re: A differently biotic oil?

Unread postby Econ101 » Sat 16 Mar 2013, 13:55:19

The article doesnt mention oil but evidence is mounting the microbes are producing crude oil and gas.
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Re: A differently biotic oil?

Unread postby davep » Sat 16 Mar 2013, 15:49:01

Plantagenet wrote:Where does the oil come into it? The article talks about these microbes releasing METHANE---it never mentions oil

We've got similar things in permafrost up here in Alaska--- microbes there also generate METHANE


I just took the logical leap from carbon-based lifeforms existing in rock in apparently huge quantities to their rotting corpses (and maybe the methane) getting turned to oil in the same way that dino-oil would.

The article mentions the potentially huge size of the ecosystem, but indicates that the rate of reproduction would be far lower than normal species. It's just a potentially interesting new twist to how oil could have got there.
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Re: A differently biotic oil?

Unread postby ian807 » Sat 16 Mar 2013, 17:34:12

And so what if it does? Without sunlight, there's no way it's producing at a rate that *matters.* Just like abiotic oil. Yeah, there's probably some, but again, so what? The amount produced has to be pretty trivial or it would be showing up everywhere and oil fields everywhere would be growing, not depleting. For that matter, if either process was creating oil in significant amounts, we would have lakes of oil on the surface of the land, and giant slicks at sea. Microbes that ate oil would have evolved into sufficient abundance that we wouldn't be able to keep oil or gasoline without bacterial decay.

Doesn't add up, no matter how it's spun.
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Re: A differently biotic oil?

Unread postby pstarr » Sun 17 Mar 2013, 00:00:00

I love the way Davep suckered in the cornies to defend a preposterous proposition; that a growth of deep-sea organisms (how ever widely dispersed) could ever supply us with our inexpensive convenient light sweet crude. God! The stupidity of the deniers knows no limits 8O

Sure, there may be a layer of them across the sea bottom, but in the absence of an exogenic photosynthetic light-energy source, it would only be microns thick, and deposits necessary to build up a resource base, a source material is quite impossible. God! They are clueless.
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Re: A differently biotic oil?

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Sun 17 Mar 2013, 00:09:19

ian807 wrote:For that matter, if either process was creating oil in significant amounts, we would have lakes of oil on the surface of the land, and giant slicks at sea. Microbes that ate oil would have evolved into sufficient abundance that we wouldn't be able to keep oil or gasoline without bacterial decay.

Doesn't add up, no matter how it's spun.
And wouldn't these microbes have to consume oxygen and output CO2 to get energy from eating oil (just like how we get energy from eating McGrease)? So we would have a CO2 atmosphere by now.
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Re: A differently biotic oil?

Unread postby dorlomin » Sun 17 Mar 2013, 05:59:35

ian807 wrote:For that matter, if either process was creating oil in significant amounts, we would have lakes of oil on the surface of the land, and giant slicks at sea. Microbes that ate oil would have evolved into sufficient abundance that we wouldn't be able to keep oil or gasoline without bacterial decay.
There are microbes that eat oil. Oil does leak to the surface, a large part of all oil formed leaks to the surface. When it is trapped near the surface by geology is the exception rather than the rule.
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