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Clouseau2 wrote:Since we live on a finite planet, the answer is obviously that something else would peak. Water, space, food, whatever.
I would really like it if I were proven wrong, it would make me more relaxed and confident in my future.
JoeW wrote: Solving the energy problem solves any potential water problems.
And as far as space is concerned, we have a lot of room to grow if we solve the energy problem.
RobintheDruid wrote:And anyway, what gives us the right to colonise space anyway, just because we assume that its just a load of empty space. Thats the same logic as white settlers occupying the Little Big Horn Valley just because its a big space and they assume there's no indians wandering around out there, and look what happened to Custer?
Arrogant sod got what he deserved anyway!
Greed, exploitation and meddling with nature will finish us all off in the end.
RobintheDruid wrote:Omnitir, there are ways and means of meddling with nature. For example, a plant breeding programme will result in lots of lovely new roses or such for your garden (rosa 'gertrude jeckyll' or 'scarlet pimpernel' etc). Genetic modification on the other hand will encourage superweeds, encourage pesticide resistance in bugs thereby creating superbugs, destroy habitats and native species of plants etc etc. Therefore breeding is good, GM is bad.
I can create a liveable shelter in the woods with hazel branches and canvas tarpaulin, install a windmill or a solar panel and live quite comfortably using low-level technology that has been created by 'manipulating' nature.
Or I can choose to build a huge housing estate, with no community facilities and thus is a breeding ground for kids gang crime and drug dealers, and which has completely obliterated the habitat of the last remaining population of 'Joe Bloggs' butterflies.
Yes fine, manipulate nature if you want to, but do it according to sustainable, natural principles, not according to capitalist greed principles.
Dream on. Its capitalism thats destroying the world, full stop. Capitalism is like a cancer that has to be cut out, or a parasite that has to be killed off.
And anyway, what gives us the right to colonise space anyway
PeakKYJelly wrote:Dream on. Its capitalism thats destroying the world, full stop. Capitalism is like a cancer that has to be cut out, or a parasite that has to be killed off.
I have to agree with you. The most capitalist countries are the ones with the lowest standards of living. Look at America, for instance. The standard of living is so horrible that absolutely no one wants to come here. Especially across the Mexican border; there hasn't been any activity there in decades. Now, the Communist countries, those are paragons of great living for their citizens, and all that high technology coming out of their countries too. Let's see, didn't they invent the light bulb, the airplane, the car, the television, the computer, and the Internet [Al Goresky]. Yes, capitalism is sure one big stinking failure, ain't it?And anyway, what gives us the right to colonise space anyway
In the future, the sun will expand and engulf the Earth. Unless we have moved off planet, our race will be toast. If you wish to die since you are obviously a self-hating human, you can, but why expect everyone else to follow you lemming-like to their doom?
The best thing to do is to become free of things of this world, not increasingly attached to them. The latter is the goal of capitalism, the former that of those who, as opposed to the successful capitalists (normally successful due more to a combination of ruthlessness and selfishness than any sort of desirable qualities), actually deserve the title "Elite."
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