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Re: Tropics Will Become Uninhabitabe by 2090

Unread postby Cog » Fri 10 Mar 2017, 08:58:13

ozcad wrote:So now we know what the MexWall is really for.


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Re: Tropics Will Become Uninhabitabe by 2090

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 10 Mar 2017, 09:40:28

And the wet bulb temperatures will also be a factor by then!
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Re: Tropics Will Become Uninhabitabe by 2090

Unread postby Cog » Fri 10 Mar 2017, 09:50:49

By 2090 everyone on this board will dead and buried. Its a lot cooler 6 feet deep.
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Re: Tropics Will Become Uninhabitabe by 2090

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 10 Mar 2017, 10:11:39

Cog wrote:By 2090 everyone on this board will dead and buried. Its a lot cooler 6 feet deep.

Yep :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Tropics Will Become Uninhabitabe by 2090

Unread postby Revi » Fri 10 Mar 2017, 10:18:33

The breadbasket of the US is going to dry out, and we are going to face some huge problems in the very near future.

It's scary, but we seem to be sleepwalking into it. Pruitt just said that he's not sure that CO2 is the reason for climate change. It's hard to figure out what is the problem when we have leaders like that in power.

We are going to be in a world of hurt, and we know who is responsible for it. It's us.
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Re: Tropics Will Become Uninhabitabe by 2090

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 10 Mar 2017, 11:27:44

Revi wrote:The breadbasket of the US is going to dry out, and we are going to face some huge problems in the very near future.

It's scary, but we seem to be sleepwalking into it..


????

As Cog pointed out above one logical response to this problem is to change US policy to reduce immigration. The US can't afford to take in 10a of millions more climate refugees

Yes it would be nice to stop the CO2 emissions and global warming, but it didn't happen under Obama and it sure as heck isn't going to happen under trump

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Re: Tropics Will Become Uninhabitabe by 2090

Unread postby GHung » Fri 10 Mar 2017, 16:58:49

Meanwhile:
Trump's Reckless Plan to Starve NOAA

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration is just one of many federal agencies marked for drastic funding reductions to enable a big boost in military spending. But the cuts proposed for America's center of weather and climate research reveal alarming pitfalls in President Donald Trump's approach to budgeting: a reluctance to invest in the future, a disregard for science and a willingness to damage a well-functioning government operation for a minimal pay-off.

According to an outline recently obtained by the Washington Post, NOAA's budget is set to lose almost $1 billion, a crippling 17 percent hit. The cuts would be especially deep to divisions that work on climate modeling, so they might seem unsurprising targets for a climate-change-doubting president. NOAA's satellite office, in particular, recently angered climate deniers in Congress when it demonstrated that there's been no slowdown in the relentless pace of global warming.....

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles ... tarve-noaa


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Re: Tropics Will Become Uninhabitabe by 2090

Unread postby jedrider » Fri 10 Mar 2017, 17:13:42

I just want to know where will we get our bananas from?? Talking impacts on our unassailable life style.
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Re: Tropics Will Become Uninhabitabe by 2090

Unread postby dohboi » Fri 10 Mar 2017, 19:30:45

Water scarcity needs “urgent and massive response” in North Africa and Near East – Accessible fresh water in has fallen by two-thirds in the past 40 years

CAIRO, 9 March 2017 (FAO) –
Access to water is a fundamental need for food security, human health and agriculture, and its looming scarcity in the North Africa and Middle East region is a huge challenge requiring an "urgent and massive response," FAO Director-General Jose Graziano da Silva said in Cairo.

Accessible fresh water in the region has fallen by two-thirds in the past 40 years. It now amounts to 10 times less per capita availability than the worldwide average, underscoring the need for a significant overhaul of farming systems, he added.

A recent study by FAO showed that higher temperatures may shorten growing seasons in the region by 18 days and reduce agricultural yields a further 27 percent to 55 percent less by the end of this century. The rising sea level in the Nile Delta is exposing Egypt to the danger of losing substantial parts of the most productive agriculture land due to salinization.

Moreover, "competition between water-usage sectors will only intensify in the future between agriculture, energy, industrial production and household needs," he said.


http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2017/03 ... e.html?m=1

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Re: Tropics Will Become Uninhabitabe by 2090

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Sat 11 Mar 2017, 02:50:14

Cog wrote:By 2090 everyone on this board will dead and buried. Its a lot cooler 6 feet deep.

and a lot warmer for your grandchildren
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Re: Tropics Will Become Uninhabitabe by 2090

Unread postby dohboi » Sat 11 Mar 2017, 12:50:02

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-39238808

UN: World facing greatest humanitarian crisis since 1945


The world is facing its largest humanitarian crisis since 1945, the United Nations says, issuing a plea for help to avoid "a catastrophe".

UN humanitarian chief Stephen O'Brien said that more than 20 million people faced the threat of starvation and famine in Yemen, Somalia, South Sudan and Nigeria.

Unicef has already warned 1.4m children could starve to death this year.

Mr O'Brien said $4.4bn (£3.6bn) was needed by July to avert disaster.

"We stand at a critical point in history," Mr O'Brien told the Security Council on Friday. "Already at the beginning of the year we are facing the largest humanitarian crisis since the creation of the United Nations."

"Now, more than 20 million people across four countries face starvation and famine. Without collective and coordinated global efforts, people will simply starve to death. Many more will suffer and die from disease.

"Children stunted and out of school. Livelihoods, futures and hope will be lost. Communities' resilience rapidly wilting away. Development gains reversed. Many will be displaced and will continue to move in search for survival, creating ever more instability across entire regions."

Mr O'Brien's comments follow on from a similar appeal made by UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres last month.

At that time, he revealed the UN had only received $90m (£74m) so far in 2017, despite generous pledges.


Despite the dire situation, this humanitarian crisis is receiving almost no attention from the media. Do we truly live in a post-compassion world?
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Re: Tropics Will Become Uninhabitabe by 2090

Unread postby Cog » Sat 11 Mar 2017, 13:12:53

Shaved Monkey wrote:
Cog wrote:By 2090 everyone on this board will dead and buried. Its a lot cooler 6 feet deep.

and a lot warmer for your grandchildren


Maybe they will burrow down there too.
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Re: Tropics Will Become Uninhabitabe by 2090

Unread postby Hawkcreek » Sat 11 Mar 2017, 14:02:36

jedrider wrote:I just want to know where will we get our bananas from?? Talking impacts on our unassailable life style.

That would be a problem, but by then we should be able to grow our own bananas in Washington state.
I just hope that we have a good coffee bean crop by then, too.
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Re: Tropics Will Become Uninhabitabe by 2090

Unread postby Ibon » Sat 11 Mar 2017, 14:11:32

dohboi wrote:Despite the dire situation, this humanitarian crisis is receiving almost no attention from the media. Do we truly live in a post-compassion world?


Yes and no. Compassion becomes compartmentalized. Compassion goes provincial. We are adapting to a constrained world when we reserve compassion and dole it out with the same care that we will also use energy. Compassion becomes like all other commodities. It must be applied wisely.

This is the true definition of learning how to stay within carrying capacity.

You can see elements of this adaptation happening in our politics, cultural trends, populism, nationalism.

Preserve compassion toward where you can work it. Another continent far away with chronic starvation that has lasted for decades???? Maybe some will hold the flame of compassion still for awhile, there comes a time though you learn to apply it wisely, judicially, with the sword of wisdom, knowing when to withdraw, when to preserve.

Compassion requires preservation just like conservation does.

These are brand new ideas for our culture. They will become stronger so learn to read the signs and see where we are heading.

I saw this years ago. How quaint when we can now remember some of the heated outrage over Montequests posts over triage years ago.
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Re: Tropics Will Become Uninhabitabe by 2090

Unread postby Hawkcreek » Sat 11 Mar 2017, 14:15:00

dohboi wrote:Despite the dire situation, this humanitarian crisis is receiving almost no attention from the media. Do we truly live in a post-compassion world?

People have always acted in what they thought was their best interests. When resources are plentiful, some are willing to share. When resources become scarce, they primarily care about their own group.
Compassion kinda depends on what's in your pantry, and your expectations for the future.
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Re: Tropics Will Become Uninhabitabe by 2090

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Sat 11 Mar 2017, 14:27:51

Most people don't want to hear about it, which affects advertising dollars.

We talk a lot about a 'Free Press', but how can it be free, chained, as it is, to advertising income?

We tell ourselves what we want to hear, and avoid the stuff that creates dissonance.

The fact that you hear about it at all, is because some people want the whole truth, but not enough to enter the mainstream.
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Re: Tropics Will Become Uninhabitabe by 2090

Unread postby Ibon » Sat 11 Mar 2017, 14:40:10

Cid_Yama wrote:Most people don't want to hear about it, which affects advertising dollars.

We talk a lot about a 'Free Press', but how can it be free, chained, as it is, to advertising income?

We tell ourselves what we want to hear, and avoid the stuff that creates dissonance.


While this is true the chains are on all of us throughout the whole cultural food chain, from minion up to leader. This is truly way beyond a controlling elite. Almost every 3rd world peasant aspires to one day have wavy orange hair.
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Re: Tropics Will Become Uninhabitabe by 2090

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Re: Wetbulb T Death: Here Now; More To Come

Unread postby dohboi » Mon 15 Jan 2018, 23:31:15

New study on wbt:

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.10 ... 326/aaa00e

Temperature and humidity based projections of a rapid rise in global heat stress exposure during the 21st century

Abstract

As a result of global increases in both temperature and specific humidity, heat stress is projected to intensify throughout the 21st century. Some of the regions most susceptible to dangerous heat and humidity combinations are also among the most densely populated.

Consequently, there is the potential for widespread exposure to wet bulb temperatures that approach and in some cases exceed postulated theoretical limits of human tolerance by mid- to late-century. We project that by 2080 the relative frequency of present-day extreme wet bulb temperature events could rise by a factor of 100–250 (approximately double the frequency change projected for temperature alone) in the tropics and parts of the mid-latitudes, areas which are projected to contain approximately half the world's population.

In addition, population exposure to wet bulb temperatures that exceed recent deadly heat waves may increase by a factor of five to ten, with 150–750 million person-days of exposure to wet bulb temperatures above those seen in today's most severe heat waves by 2070–2080.

Under RCP 8.5, exposure to wet bulb temperatures above 35 °C—the theoretical limit for human tolerance—could exceed a million person-days per year by 2080...

Some of the most affected regions, especially Northeast India and coastal West Africa, currently have scarce cooling infrastructure, relatively low adaptive capacity, and rapidly growing populations.

In the coming decades heat stress may prove to be one of the most widely experienced and directly dangerous aspects of climate change, posing a severe threat to human health, energy infrastructure, and outdoor activities ranging from agricultural production to military training.


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