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Re: Meat Eaters Are Killing The Planet

Unread postby dohboi » Wed 02 May 2018, 15:27:37

https://www.nbcnews.com/better/diet-fit ... ns-n542886

"When it comes to climate change:

following dietary recommendations would cut food-related emissions by 29 percent,

adopting vegetarian diets would cut them by 63 percent


and vegan diets by 70 percent.
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Re: Meat Eaters Are Killing The Planet

Unread postby pstarr » Wed 02 May 2018, 15:34:46

too much ruffage would actually increase emissions as per [smilie=XXsmoker.gif] [smilie=5badair.gif] But no smoking allowed! :x A pure water diet would cure human emissions 100% sure :)
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Re: Meat Eaters Are Killing The Planet

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Thu 03 May 2018, 16:26:59

dohboi wrote:https://www.nbcnews.com/better/diet-fitness/vegan-eating-would-slash-cut-food-s-global-warming-emissions-n542886

"When it comes to climate change:

following dietary recommendations would cut food-related emissions by 29 percent,

adopting vegetarian diets would cut them by 63 percent


and vegan diets by 70 percent.
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Just greatly reducing eating beef would help a lot, given the huge amount of land used per cow compared to, say, a chicken.

Why not try to get some realistic change made instead of endlessly pushing for everyone to become a Vegan. Because, realistically, when you can't get people to drive less, how realistic is forcing mass veganism on people?

Also, if cattle are a huge proportion of the problem, then you get a lot of "bang for the buck" by reducing beef consumption. If you're going to insist on veganism or even vegetarianism -- the vast majority of folks will simply ignore you.
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Re: Meat Eaters Are Killing The Planet

Unread postby Yonnipun » Thu 03 May 2018, 17:12:05

I can safely say that I would rather abandon car ownership than give up eating meat. It just tastes too good. The vegans eventually give up anyway, the studies show that 84% will start to eat meat again. I also would like to point out that there are people who are diabetics and meat and other animal products instead of carbohydrates are the only option for them to control blood sugar spikes through diet.
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Re: Meat Eaters Are Killing The Planet

Unread postby onlooker » Thu 03 May 2018, 19:10:59

I have to say that Yonnipun post is a good example of how difficult it us to sway people to change their lifestyle to one they perceive as inferior to their current one. This is not to single out Y, as I myself even being given ample opportunity would be reluctant to change a few lifestyle preferences. Certainly everyone would need to make "sacrifices" As for the debate about Veg vs Meat eaters, it is apt to point out that this thread has attempted to point out the various negative ramifications of meat eating of which the ethical one is the most compelling. While rich world citizens get to eat meat, poor people in poor countries cannot afford sufficient food to maintain adequate health. And yes Overpopulation is a core overshoot issue but let us not pretend this situation is not occurring and not at its heart an ethical issue. Of course the entire issue of money and human quality of life is an ethical issue
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Re: Meat Eaters Are Killing The Planet

Unread postby baha » Thu 03 May 2018, 20:16:38

I am surrounded by Cattle. There is 100 or more acres behind me that they just grow hay and bail it for the winter. There is 77 acres next to me that has about 100 head of cattle. It's spring :) There are 20 - 30 calves.

The land is not suitable for farming. It's mostly clay. But the grass grows good. I buy 1/4 cow at a time of local grass fed beef and it is heavenly. I can't even eat the stuff they have a Walmart. There is no flavor. But I bet I eat half what most people do, and more veggies :)

Cows and grass have been around for a long time. The problem is industrialization. And grain feed lots :( Look around, there are local sources of sustainable and healthy meat. My local farmers market has sources for all types of meat raised and prepared locally.
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Re: Meat Eaters Are Killing The Planet

Unread postby dohboi » Fri 04 May 2018, 05:12:21

"greatly reducing eating beef would help a lot"

I agree.
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Re: Meat Eaters Are Killing The Planet

Unread postby dohboi » Mon 07 May 2018, 06:47:27

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/m ... al-welfare

if all Americans substituted beans for beef, the country would be close to meeting the greenhouse gas goals
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Re: Meat Eaters Are Killing The Planet

Unread postby Ibon » Mon 07 May 2018, 06:50:18

dohboi wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/may/07/true-cost-of-eating-meat-environment-health-animal-welfare

if all Americans substituted beans for beef, the country would be close to meeting the greenhouse gas goals


Did they account for all the methane that will be produced from all those farts?
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Re: Meat Eaters Are Killing The Planet

Unread postby Cog » Mon 07 May 2018, 12:51:37

I don't have any greenhouse goals and neither does the USA.
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Re: Meat Eaters Are Killing The Planet

Unread postby dohboi » Mon 07 May 2018, 14:31:31

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You guys are killin' me!

No, really. You. Are. Killing. Me. (And everything else on the planet :twisted: )
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Re: Meat Eaters Are Killing The Planet

Unread postby Yonnipun » Mon 14 May 2018, 22:43:38

https://medium.com/@drewfrench/grass-fed-beef-the-most-vegan-item-in-the-supermarket-8c46b45a0d47

If the primary goal of veganism is to reduce suffering, then many of us are vegan, and a diet composed of primarily grass-fed beef and dairy, as well as free-range chicken eggs and perennial plants products, is the most vegan diet that I can think of. I diet based on grass that is never tilled or disturbed allows nature to grow and flourish without our annual agricultural blades, machines, and chemicals.
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Re: Meat Eaters Are Killing The Planet

Unread postby dohboi » Mon 14 May 2018, 23:32:00

Ah, more of the usual bs. Sorry, not buying it.

In any case, this thread is not about reducing the suffering of specific individual animals (or plants,if that's a thing), but of the systemic threat that meat eating poses to the planet.
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Re: Meat Eaters Are Killing The Planet

Unread postby Yonnipun » Tue 15 May 2018, 01:11:05

dohboi wrote:Ah, more of the usual bs. Sorry, not buying it.

In any case, this thread is not about reducing the suffering of specific individual animals (or plants,if that's a thing), but of the systemic threat that meat eating poses to the planet.



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