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THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

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Unread postby Tanada » Sun 24 Sep 2017, 23:02:09


August 2017: 405.07 ppm
August 2016: 402.25 ppm
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 24 Sep 2017, 23:04:38


Week beginning on September 17, 2017: 403.06 ppm
Weekly value from 1 year ago: 401.08 ppm
Weekly value from 10 years ago: 380.81 ppm
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 24 Sep 2017, 23:06:29


September 23: 403.05 ppm
September 22: Unavailable
September 21: Unavailable
September 20: 403.04 ppm
September 19: 402.80 ppm
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 25 Sep 2017, 01:38:57

New Scientific Study finds that so much CO2 is being added to the oceans that a global mass extinction event is likely to occur by about 2050-2100.

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The study looked at prior mass extinction events thought to be triggered by huge carbon releases. They found that if we continue to emit CO2 at current rates we'll quickly reach the critical "extinction" level of CO2 in the ocean. If global CO2 emissions increase, as the Paris Accords allow, then the oceans will reach and cross the threshold amount of CO2 needed to trigger mass extinction by ca. 2050.

Thresholds of catastrophe in the Earth system

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Some prior extinction events were caused by huge releases of CO2----and we'll reach the critical level of CO2 required for mass extinction by 2050 .

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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby dohboi » Mon 25 Sep 2017, 13:44:50

Thanks for bringing that important study up here, P.

Of course, the focus of the study was specifically CO2/GW, so they didn't look much at the fact that we are already well on our way to a mass extinction event even before the direst effect of GW on extinction have even had much of a chance to kick in. This work shows that CO2 alone is enough to wreak this kind of ultimate havok on the life of the planet, even without all of the other insults and injuries we've thrown at her.

It reinforces the point that I've been making that we essentially are subjecting the world to multiple mass extinction causing assaults, and there is no guarantee she will ever fully recover.
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby dohboi » Tue 26 Sep 2017, 13:39:42

Sorry if this is a bit long, but it is a nice way to show the long historical pattern (thanks to pbl at RealClimate):

Year CO2 dT
1850 284.7 -0.374
1851 284.9 -0.221
1852 285 -0.224
1853 285.1 -0.269
1854 285.3 -0.251
1855 285.4 -0.273
1856 285.6 -0.353
1857 285.7 -0.46
1858 285.9 -0.466
1859 286.1 -0.287
1860 286.2 -0.349
1861 286.4 -0.413
1862 286.5 -0.526
1863 286.6 -0.281
1864 286.8 -0.494
1865 286.9 -0.274
1866 287 -0.249
1867 287.1 -0.322
1868 287.2 -0.234
1869 287.4 -0.267
1870 287.5 -0.278
1871 287.7 -0.334
1872 287.9 -0.23
1873 288.1 -0.304
1874 288.4 -0.375
1875 288.7 -0.397
1876 289 -0.382
1877 289.4 -0.076
1878 289.8 0.036
1879 290.2 -0.232
1880 290.7 -0.229
1881 291.2 -0.207
1882 291.7 -0.214
1883 292.1 -0.298
1884 292.6 -0.411
1885 293 -0.39
1886 293.3 -0.368
1887 293.6 -0.422
1888 293.8 -0.312
1889 294 -0.173
1890 294.2 -0.417
1891 294.3 -0.335
1892 294.5 -0.456
1893 294.6 -0.473
1894 294.7 -0.405
1895 294.8 -0.39
1896 294.9 -0.184
1897 295 -0.208
1898 295.2 -0.413
1899 295.5 -0.289
1900 295.8 -0.198
1901 296.1 -0.261
1902 296.5 -0.404
1903 296.8 -0.482
1904 297.2 -0.519
1905 297.6 -0.377
1906 298.1 -0.284
1907 298.5 -0.466
1908 298.9 -0.511
1909 299.3 -0.523
1910 299.7 -0.491
1911 300.1 -0.543
1912 300.4 -0.437
1913 300.8 -0.425
1914 301.1 -0.245
1915 301.4 -0.147
1916 301.7 -0.382
1917 302.1 -0.463
1918 302.4 -0.331
1919 302.7 -0.272
1920 303 -0.241
1921 303.4 -0.187
1922 303.8 -0.301
1923 304.1 -0.272
1924 304.5 -0.292
1925 305 -0.214
1926 305.4 -0.105
1927 305.8 -0.208
1928 306.3 -0.206
1929 306.8 -0.348
1930 307.2 -0.134
1931 307.7 -0.083
1932 308.2 -0.134
1933 308.6 -0.267
1934 309 -0.127
1935 309.4 -0.172
1936 309.8 -0.14
1937 310 -0.022
1938 310.2 -0.003
1939 310.3 -0.047
1940 310.4 0.018
1941 310.4 0.02
1942 310.3 -0.024
1943 310.2 0
1944 310.1 0.149
1945 310.1 0.027
1946 310.1 -0.072
1947 310.2 -0.038
1948 310.3 -0.037
1949 310.5 -0.072
1950 310.7 -0.172
1951 311.1 -0.051
1952 311.5 0.031
1953 311.9 0.097
1954 312.4 -0.129
1955 313 -0.19
1956 313.6 -0.266
1957 314.2 -0.004
1958 314.9 0.046
1959 315.97 0.017
1960 316.91 -0.049
1961 317.64 0.04
1962 318.45 0.016
1963 318.99 0.049
1964 319.62 -0.223
1965 320.04 -0.14
1966 321.38 -0.069
1967 322.16 -0.074
1968 323.04 -0.112
1969 324.62 0.031
1970 325.68 -0.027
1971 326.32 -0.187
1972 327.45 -0.067
1973 329.68 0.062
1974 330.18 -0.213
1975 331.11 -0.147
1976 332.04 -0.24
1977 333.83 0.046
1978 335.4 -0.063
1979 336.84 0.058
1980 338.75 0.093
1981 340.11 0.14
1982 341.45 0.011
1983 343.05 0.193
1984 344.65 -0.013
1985 346.12 -0.03
1986 347.42 0.046
1987 349.19 0.191
1988 351.57 0.199
1989 353.12 0.118
1990 354.39 0.296
1991 355.61 0.254
1992 356.45 0.103
1993 357.1 0.145
1994 358.83 0.206
1995 360.82 0.321
1996 362.61 0.18
1997 363.73 0.389
1998 366.7 0.536
1999 368.38 0.306
2000 369.55 0.293
2001 371.14 0.439
2002 373.28 0.497
2003 375.8 0.508
2004 377.52 0.448
2005 379.8 0.544
2006 381.9 0.505
2007 383.79 0.492
2008 385.6 0.394
2009 387.43 0.506
2010 389.9 0.556
2011 391.65 0.421
2012 393.85 0.469
2013 396.52 0.512
2014 398.65 0.575
2015 400.83 0.76
2016 404.21 0.773
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby dohboi » Tue 26 Sep 2017, 14:11:10

One effect of all that added CO2: less nutritious plants--

http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/20 ... 11?cid=apn

as the zooplankton experiment showed, greater volume and better quality might not go hand-in-hand. In fact, they might be inversely linked. As best scientists can tell, this is what happens: Rising CO2 revs up photosynthesis, the process that helps plants transform sunlight to food. This makes plants grow, but it also leads them to pack in more carbohydrates like glucose at the expense of other nutrients that we depend on, like protein, iron and zinc.

In 2002, while a postdoctoral fellow at Princeton University, Loladze published a seminal research paper in Trends in Ecology and Evolution, a leading journal, arguing that rising CO2 and human nutrition were inextricably linked through a global shift in the quality of plants. In the paper, Loladze complained about the dearth of data: Among thousands of publications he had reviewed on plants and rising CO2, he found only one that looked specifically at how it affected the balance of nutrients in rice, a crop that billions of people rely on. (The paper, published in 1997, found a drop in zinc and iron.)
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby M_B_S » Wed 27 Sep 2017, 02:54:11

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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby kiwichick » Thu 28 Sep 2017, 18:03:11

@ mbs.....thanks .....I think....not a pretty picture
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby dissident » Sun 01 Oct 2017, 07:19:19

Plantagenet wrote:New Scientific Study finds that so much CO2 is being added to the oceans that a global mass extinction event is likely to occur by about 2050-2100.

Thresholds of catastrophe in the Earth system

Some prior extinction events were caused by huge releases of CO2----and we'll reach the critical level of CO2 required for mass extinction by 2050 .


Indeed, getting the remaining 155 Pg C into the system will be easier and faster than getting the first 155 Pg C. The global economy has grown enormously since 1850 and the correlation between CO2 emissions and global GDP is tight on decadal and longer timescales and shows no sign of diverging. This puts the lie to the claim that the GDP is becoming less fossil fuel dependent with time.

CH4 emissions act like an accelerator to the CO2 emissions. So we are looking at the 2030-50 interval as a major transition point. Ocean anoxia appears to be a rapidly evolving variable and current evidence indicates that it will reach a global scale by 2030-50. Getting out of the state we are pushing the system into will take thousands of years even if humans stop emitting CO2 completely. We will have f*cked up the global reservoir cycling: the oceans will be net CO2 sources and it will take a bloody long time for them to return to net sinks. This is aside from the cryosphere and changed ocean biochemistry CH4 release. It looks like tens of thousands of years is a more realistic time frame for the system to normalize.

Just because we drove into the ditch quickly does not mean we will be setting the time frame to get out of it.
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 01 Oct 2017, 22:11:32


September 30: Unavailable
September 29: 403.25 ppm
September 28: 402.69 ppm
September 27: 402.26 ppm
September 26: 402.50 ppm
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 01 Oct 2017, 22:12:30


Week beginning on September 24, 2017: 402.77 ppm
Weekly value from 1 year ago: 400.70 ppm
Weekly value from 10 years ago: 380.74 ppm
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby M_B_S » Mon 02 Oct 2017, 01:48:37

Tanada do we have a CO 2 Minimum 2017 allready

Minimum 2017 - Minimum 2018 = 2,xx + ppm

=> CH4 Thread?
https://cbmjournal.springeropen.com/art ... 017-0084-y

Revised methane emissions factors and spatially distributed annual carbon fluxes for global livestock
Julie WolfEmail authorView ORCID ID profile, Ghassem R. Asrar and Tristram O. West
Carbon Balance and Management201712:16
https://doi.org/10.1186/s13021-017-0084-y© The Author(s) 2017
Received: 30 May 2017Accepted: 16 August 2017Published: 29 September 2017
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 03 Oct 2017, 06:35:59

M_B_S wrote:Tanada do we have a CO 2 Minimum 2017 allready

Minimum 2017 - Minimum 2018 = 2,xx + ppm

=> CH4 Thread?
https://cbmjournal.springeropen.com/art ... 017-0084-y

Revised methane emissions factors and spatially distributed annual carbon fluxes for global livestock
Julie WolfEmail authorView ORCID ID profile, Ghassem R. Asrar and Tristram O. West
Carbon Balance and Management201712:16
https://doi.org/10.1186/s13021-017-0084-y© The Author(s) 2017
Received: 30 May 2017Accepted: 16 August 2017Published: 29 September 2017


Of the numbers I have captured this fall September 27: 402.26 ppm appears to be the minimum. We could still dip lower in theory, but around here harvest is in full swing so it seems likely we will be heading back up from here.
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby dohboi » Tue 03 Oct 2017, 14:50:24

Of course there are still hourly readings that are occasionally below 400, but not much comfort to be found in that static.
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 12 Oct 2017, 17:31:34

NASA reveals El Niño is to blame for record breaking jump in carbon dioxide levels

(Welll, that and industrial society's addiction to belching some 40 billion tons of CO2 into the atmosphere...oh, and probably a number of tipping points falling...)

The 2015-2016 El Niño led to the biggest one-year jump in carbon dioxide concentrations 2,000 years
El Niño is the natural warming of parts of the central Pacific that affects weather around the world
El Niño-related heat and drought in tropical regions of South America, Africa and Indonesia were responsible
El Niño made it more difficult for plants to suck up man-made carbon emissions and sparked fires that released more carbon into the atmosphere…

‘OCO-2 has given us two revolutionary new ways to understand the effects of drought and heat on tropical forests: directly measuring carbon dioxide over these regions thousands of times a day; and sensing the rate of photosynthesis by detecting fluorescence from chlorophyll in the trees themselves,’ said Dr Denning.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... e-air.html
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby Tanada » Thu 12 Oct 2017, 20:37:53

October 11: 403.46 ppm
October 10: 403.30 ppm
October 09: 403.23 ppm
October 08: 403.43 ppm
October 07: 403.18 ppm
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