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Re: Miocene Anthropocene Future

Unread postby AdamB » Thu 01 Jun 2017, 22:40:21

Cid_Yama wrote:Yes, Plant is technically correct, that the full International Congress has not voted, but it is all but a done deal.


There is no "technical". There is just correct. When it becomes official, then people can claim it as it exists. Until then, nope, not yet.
Cid_Yama wrote:Seems AdamB doesn't like the vote and would rather misrepresent it. How does that not surprise me.


Seems like I'm not the one "technically" misrepresenting it. I stated it as a fact and I, and Plant, are both correct. There is no Anthropocene epoch. There MIGHT be...but that hasn't happened yet, so run along and misrepresent that fact to those gullible enough to not know the difference between it being a done deal, or not.
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Re: Miocene Anthropocene Future

Unread postby AdamB » Thu 01 Jun 2017, 22:44:43

Cid_Yama wrote:How stupid does he think people on here are? :roll:


You tell us, being the one currently not even knowing the difference between a declared Anthropocene, and a not yet declared Anthropocene. You don't have to lead the reality challenged brigades by example you know.
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Re: Miocene Anthropocene Future

Unread postby AdamB » Thu 01 Jun 2017, 22:51:59

Cid_Yama wrote:Blah, Blah, Blah - What I didn't read was your reply.


Why would you? You might have learned something. Stop resisting learning something, you can't change the reality of who gets to declare an epoch, just wait and see, and in the meantime stop testing the stratospheric limits of reality denial, we understand already that P.T. Barnum was right, you don't have to keep proving it.
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Re: Miocene Anthropocene Future

Unread postby dohboi » Fri 02 Jun 2017, 08:23:44

"...reality denial..."

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Miocene Anthropocene Future

Unread postby Subjectivist » Fri 02 Jun 2017, 10:17:13

The reality is, it is far too late to stop climate change. The sooner we accept that the sooner we can look for solutions to maintain a viable civilization with climate change being one existential factor in the mix.
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Re: Miocene Anthropocene Future

Unread postby M_B_S » Sat 03 Jun 2017, 01:00:47

http://pubman.mpdl.mpg.de/pubman/item/e ... 11_neu.pdf
Middle Miocene Climate Evolution:
The Role of Large-Scale Ocean Circulation
and Ocean Gateways


Hey PEAK OILER just read the Krapp Dissertation

"Bis zum Ende der Welt" S.7 :idea: :arrow:

https://www.pik-potsdam.de/members/krapp

http://climateanalytics.org
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Re: Miocene Anthropocene Future

Unread postby Subjectivist » Thu 12 Oct 2017, 05:26:51

Mark Lynas wrote:Along with Trump and Exxon-Mobil, I'd add the German Green Party to my list of climate criminals. Looks like Germany is going to miss its carbon targets 'disastrously'. Why? Because the Greens let their 1970s-era anti-nuclear ideology trump any thoughts about carbon, in establishing an 'Energiewende' that was all about switching off nuclear and replacing it with their sacred renewables. Meanwhile they left the dirty coal plants humming away undisturbed! And now they blame anyone but themselves, demanding the current government switch off coal knowing full well that is now impossible to do because the lights would go out. Greens do lots of handwaving and virtue signalling while the coal trains keep rumbling along. And this is a model for the rest of the world? It's a model for what happens when you give ideology higher priority than evidence.


http://www.climatechangenews.com/2017/1 ... ent-paper/
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Re: Miocene Anthropocene Future

Unread postby M_B_S » Thu 12 Oct 2017, 06:08:30

Subjectivist wrote:
Mark Lynas wrote:Along with Trump and Exxon-Mobil, I'd add the German Green Party to my list of climate criminals. Looks like Germany is going to miss its carbon targets 'disastrously'. Why? Because the Greens let their 1970s-era anti-nuclear ideology trump any thoughts about carbon, in establishing an 'Energiewende' that was all about switching off nuclear and replacing it with their sacred renewables. Meanwhile they left the dirty coal plants humming away undisturbed! And now they blame anyone but themselves, demanding the current government switch off coal knowing full well that is now impossible to do because the lights would go out. Greens do lots of handwaving and virtue signalling while the coal trains keep rumbling along. And this is a model for the rest of the world? It's a model for what happens when you give ideology higher priority than evidence.


http://www.climatechangenews.com/2017/1 ... ent-paper/


Yes shame on Germany under Merkel and other climate criminals... Merkel fools the whole world .

Its not the Green its Merkel CDU+ SPD "Great" Coalition
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Re: Miocene Anthropocene Future

Unread postby Revi » Thu 12 Oct 2017, 07:53:12

Sea levels are climbing at about a centimeter a year. That means a lot of places are going to be underwater soon. Not to mention storm surges, etc. I think we need to deal with this, and soon! Boston's back bay, large parts of NYC and of course Miami are all going to be in trouble soon. It seems like the real consequences of climate change are hitting now. We are finding out that its a real problem, despite what Pruitt, Inhofe and Our Dear Leader think.

Call it the holocene, anthropocene or whatever. It matters not. The water is rising..
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Re: Miocene Anthropocene Future

Unread postby AdamB » Thu 12 Oct 2017, 09:43:25

Revi wrote:Call it the holocene, anthropocene or whatever. It matters not. The water is rising..


Has been for a long time Revi. The newest stuff ain't nuttin compared to when REAL global warming was roiling the planet. But for the last 8000 years? Not so much. I would recommend we worry about real issues, like the halitosis epidemic in our rural areas.

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Re: Miocene Anthropocene Future

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 12 Oct 2017, 17:18:25

Yup, that's how fast it can rise and faster. And that is what we are heading for, and faster.
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Re: Miocene Anthropocene Future

Unread postby dissident » Fri 13 Oct 2017, 08:56:11

AdamB wrote:
Revi wrote:Call it the holocene, anthropocene or whatever. It matters not. The water is rising..


Has been for a long time Revi. The newest stuff ain't nuttin compared to when REAL global warming was roiling the planet. But for the last 8000 years? Not so much. I would recommend we worry about real issues, like the halitosis epidemic in our rural areas.

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What a useless graph for the current discussion. All of the details are buried around (0,0) which are at the pixel scale using the graph units.

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Only an idiot would spout off at others about worrying too much.
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Re: Miocene Anthropocene Future

Unread postby Revi » Fri 13 Oct 2017, 12:32:58

Obviously Adam B doesn't leave anywhere near sea level. If he did, he might understand that rising a centimeter a year could be a big problem.
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Re: Miocene Anthropocene Future

Unread postby pstarr » Fri 13 Oct 2017, 14:32:00

Subjectivist wrote:The reality is, it is far too late to stop climate change. The sooner we accept that the sooner we can look for solutions to maintain a viable civilization with climate change being one existential factor in the mix.

I accept that the climate has changed. And it will change again. But there are no solutions. Gaia has her own time table and agenda.

This or another civilization will fall, as civilizations have fallen before. And others will rise up to replace them. It may be humans (in far few numbers) or ants. Or even a non-carbon life form? Who knows, but the universe seems to tend to order between bouts of chaos.
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Re: Miocene Anthropocene Future

Unread postby jawagord » Fri 13 Oct 2017, 22:02:12

Revi wrote:Obviously Adam B doesn't leave anywhere near sea level. If he did, he might understand that rising a centimeter a year could be a big problem.

I think you probably do not live anywhere near sea level either? If you did you would know that tides are the big problem not minuscule sea level rise. Which is why we have tide charts, tide apps, tide warnings to protect us from events like a 12 ft change in tide level during a day.

http://www.tofino-bc.com/tides/print.php
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Re: Miocene Anthropocene Future

Unread postby dohboi » Fri 13 Oct 2017, 22:06:42

Riiiiight.

And that is why tides are now regularly flooding the streets of Miami.

Thanks for the entertainment...
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Re: Miocene Anthropocene Future

Unread postby kiwichick » Tue 17 Oct 2017, 15:16:38

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Life in the Anthropocene, Field Notes From The Santa Rosa Fi

Unread postby AdamB » Wed 01 Nov 2017, 10:58:29


Anthropocene: relating to or denoting the current geological age, viewed as the period during which human activity has been the dominant influence on climate and the environment. The call came a little before 5 am, the morning of Monday, October 9. I stumbled toward the phone and retrieved the message. A neighbor’s voice, “Get ready to evacuate!” Huh? A quick look at the computer reveals the firestorm that began the night before in a neighboring county, moving through the night, across mountains, east to west, propelled by 60 mile per hour winds, already burning through entire neighborhoods, headed in the general direction of our home. My husband bangs on doors in our neighborhood, awakening those who are not already awake. He pulls out the hand-crank radio I had just bought, turns it to a local station, puts on water for tea. I start piling things into


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Re: Life in the Anthropocene, Field Notes From The Santa Ros

Unread postby AdamB » Wed 01 Nov 2017, 11:02:23

Not to be too picky, but anyone who says we are currently in the Anthropocene, as this article implies, is either ignorant, or a liar. Sometimes, ya just gotta call a spade a spade. Half baked bloggers, amateurs, climate enthusiasts who can't be bothered to understand how, when or IF the Anthropocene is called deserve derision and it immediately calls into suspicion everything else they write. Either you tell it as it is, or you make it up, and when you knowingly mix the two, you don't get to pretend that the facts you do use validate the ignorance or deliberate deceit you threw into the writing as well.
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Re: Life in the Anthropocene, Field Notes From The Santa Ros

Unread postby asg70 » Wed 01 Nov 2017, 11:03:22

Why does the word bother you so much?
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