Donate Bitcoin

Donate Paypal


PeakOil is You

PeakOil is You

Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Moderator: Tanada

Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Thu 12 Oct 2017, 10:50:53

We build a lot of wooden-framed houses in California because they are safer in earthquakes than are brick and stone and stucco. Too many of these homes are clad with wood or composite or plastic siding, all of which will burn if dried brush and trees around the home combust. Even when stucco is used, it is a thin coat over a metal mesh stapled to combustible plywood, not the "mud job" of old.

If I were building here today, I would use galvanized steel studs and non-combustible steel roof trusses, metal roofing, and cement/fiber siding and trim. Also there are magnesium oxide structural insulated panels (MGOSIPs) which can be assembled and are beyond non-combustible, they are actually fire-suppressant.

A whole house made of non-combustible materials won't burn. If they are the right materials used with the right construction methods, they won't crush you in an earthquake either.

Time to update California building codes again.
KaiserJeep 2.0, Neural Subnode 0010 0000 0001 0110 - 1001 0011 0011, Tertiary Adjunct to Unimatrix 0000 0000 0001

Resistance is Futile, YOU will be Assimilated.

Warning: Messages timestamped before April 1, 2016, 06:00 PST were posted by the unmodified human KaiserJeep 1.0
KaiserJeep
Fusion
Fusion
 
Posts: 4087
Joined: Tue 06 Aug 2013, 16:16:32
Location: California's Silly Valley

Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby pstarr » Thu 12 Oct 2017, 12:18:27

Wired: THE NAPA FIRE IS A PERFECTLY NORMAL APOCALYPSE
BLAME THE WIND, if you want. In Southern California they call it the Santa Ana; in the north, the Diablos. Every autumn, from 4,000 feet up in the Great Basin deserts of Nevada and Utah, air drops down over the mountains and through the canyons. By the time it gets near the coast it’s hot, dry, and can gust as fast as a hurricane.
Haven't you heard? I'm a doomer!
pstarr
NeoMaster
NeoMaster
 
Posts: 26063
Joined: Mon 27 Sep 2004, 02:00:00
Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain

Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby jedrider » Thu 12 Oct 2017, 12:34:28

KaiserJeep wrote:We build a lot of wooden-framed houses in California because they are safer in earthquakes than are brick and stone and stucco. Too many of these homes are clad with wood or composite or plastic siding, all of which will burn if dried brush and trees around the home combust. Even when stucco is used, it is a thin coat over a metal mesh stapled to combustible plywood, not the "mud job" of old.

If I were building here today, I would use galvanized steel studs and non-combustible steel roof trusses, metal roofing, and cement/fiber siding and trim. Also there are magnesium oxide structural insulated panels (MGOSIPs) which can be assembled and are beyond non-combustible, they are actually fire-suppressant.

A whole house made of non-combustible materials won't burn. If they are the right materials used with the right construction methods, they won't crush you in an earthquake either.

Time to update California building codes again.


Got to agree. Cement/fiber siding is terrific stuff and looks better than real wood. I think this is now common building material in northern California basically because it does look just like wood.

When our roofing gets redone at some point, I thought about MGOSIP's for insulation from cold and heat, but they are not common at all, I guess, because they must be custom ordered. Steel roofs on traditional construction don't necessarily look good AFAIK. Yeah, welding seems to be a good occupational category.
User avatar
jedrider
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 873
Joined: Thu 28 May 2009, 09:10:44

Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 12 Oct 2017, 13:15:21

Again, stay safe, KJ.

Meanwhile:

Mid-Thursday update. Several of the fires have merged. The winds have eased a bit, but are expected to pick back up this weekend.

NWS: On Tuesday, our air quality monitors nearest the fires measured the highest PM 2.5 concentrations on record in the Bay Area since hourly monitoring began in 2009.

At least 24 dead in horrific California wildfires, hundreds missing
Firefighters were still battling 22 wildfires in multiple counties as of Thursday morning. Intensified by strong winds, the flames have charred more than 180,000 acres of land, damaged or destroyed at least 3,500 structures and forced nearly 20,000 residents to evacuate, according to the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection. ...


http://abcnews.go.com/US/thousands-flee ... lled/story

thanks to sig and asif for text and link
User avatar
dohboi
Harmless Drudge
Harmless Drudge
 
Posts: 16603
Joined: Mon 05 Dec 2005, 03:00:00

Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 12 Oct 2017, 13:19:00

California just finished its hottest summer in history — these record-breaking fires are no coincidence.
http://grist.org/briefly/californias-ou ... story/amp/
https://twitter.com/EricHolthaus/status ... 5329876992
User avatar
dohboi
Harmless Drudge
Harmless Drudge
 
Posts: 16603
Joined: Mon 05 Dec 2005, 03:00:00

Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 12 Oct 2017, 15:17:02

User avatar
dohboi
Harmless Drudge
Harmless Drudge
 
Posts: 16603
Joined: Mon 05 Dec 2005, 03:00:00

Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby pstarr » Thu 12 Oct 2017, 15:54:59

dohboi wrote:California just finished its hottest summer in history — these record-breaking fires are no coincidence.
http://grist.org/briefly/californias-ou ... story/amp/
https://twitter.com/EricHolthaus/status ... 5329876992

This burn year probably won't even even come close to 2007, when 1,087,110 acres of California woodlands burned. And that was above an average rain year. And then in 2008 1,375,781 acres burned.
Haven't you heard? I'm a doomer!
pstarr
NeoMaster
NeoMaster
 
Posts: 26063
Joined: Mon 27 Sep 2004, 02:00:00
Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain

Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 12 Oct 2017, 17:23:29

p, are you getting any smoke from these? Are you out of danger?

It's certainly among the biggest in terms of acreage, and of course it's not over.

But it's already setting records for damage and death:

A record week of death and destruction

https://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/ ... 758271001/
User avatar
dohboi
Harmless Drudge
Harmless Drudge
 
Posts: 16603
Joined: Mon 05 Dec 2005, 03:00:00

Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby pstarr » Thu 12 Oct 2017, 17:41:28

dohboi, we have our own Fireocalypse :)

The Redwood Complex (Mendocino County) has burned 32,100 acres and is 5 percent contained. But you don't read about it, because hardly anyone lives up here (thank jeebus). It's kind of a normal thing, but still sad because some folks (and lots of animals) will be hurt :cry:

Lots of marijuana going up in smoke. Even more than the usual :P 8)
Haven't you heard? I'm a doomer!
pstarr
NeoMaster
NeoMaster
 
Posts: 26063
Joined: Mon 27 Sep 2004, 02:00:00
Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain

Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 12 Oct 2017, 17:44:48

Wow, yeah, I hadn't heard about that, except the mary jane going up...bad for the states hopes of making lots of tax revenues off that good sh!t, and of course for the growers. I guess there is no insurance available for them yet, so it really is all a total loss.

Stay safe, man, otherwise who will I have to annoy me?? :lol: :lol:
User avatar
dohboi
Harmless Drudge
Harmless Drudge
 
Posts: 16603
Joined: Mon 05 Dec 2005, 03:00:00

Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby pstarr » Thu 12 Oct 2017, 17:52:27

Forbes: California Fires Destroy Cannabis Crops At Harvest Time
The fires in northern California are turning into a catastrophe for local cannabis growers. Some farmers have seen their crops incinerated, while others have watched helplessly as ash and smoke contaminate sensitive marijuana flowers. The fires in Mendocino are south of the famed Humboldt County grows, but it’s still a part of what is known as the Emerald Triangle.

Our famed Humboldt Country grows are safe. The Godless Gaia must have Blessed our little Community :-D 8)
Haven't you heard? I'm a doomer!
pstarr
NeoMaster
NeoMaster
 
Posts: 26063
Joined: Mon 27 Sep 2004, 02:00:00
Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain

Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby dohboi » Fri 13 Oct 2017, 00:27:06

Basic economics suggests that your local herb will now go for a premium! Probably good for the local economy, even if disastrous for much of the rest of the state! :o 8O :oops: :cry: :roll:
User avatar
dohboi
Harmless Drudge
Harmless Drudge
 
Posts: 16603
Joined: Mon 05 Dec 2005, 03:00:00

Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby jedrider » Fri 13 Oct 2017, 10:26:24

Wine, pot, going up in price. What is this world coming to?
User avatar
jedrider
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 873
Joined: Thu 28 May 2009, 09:10:44

Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby jedrider » Sat 14 Oct 2017, 12:20:36

Well, this is an eerie video of a tree burning from the inside-out:

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Watch-bizarre-video-of-a-tree-burning-from-the-12277065.php
User avatar
jedrider
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 873
Joined: Thu 28 May 2009, 09:10:44

Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby pstarr » Sat 14 Oct 2017, 16:55:20

jedrider wrote:Well, this is an eerie video of a tree burning from the inside-out:

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Watch-bizarre-video-of-a-tree-burning-from-the-12277065.php

A bit later it looked a lot like this
Image
:-D
Haven't you heard? I'm a doomer!
pstarr
NeoMaster
NeoMaster
 
Posts: 26063
Joined: Mon 27 Sep 2004, 02:00:00
Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain

Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 15 Oct 2017, 18:46:45

This paper shows severe loss of water content in trees due to the California drought of 2011 -2017 (this paper was published in 2016, and shows data ending in 2015). It has some really good maps of water stressed trees, and shows that Napa and Sonoma counties were hard hit by the drought, with lots of dead or dying trees. Conditions worsened during 2016, then we got massive rain in the winter of 2016-2017, and huge growth of grass and brush.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Gr ... 93895e.pdf


Thanks to Leland Palmer at scribbler's site for text and link
User avatar
dohboi
Harmless Drudge
Harmless Drudge
 
Posts: 16603
Joined: Mon 05 Dec 2005, 03:00:00

Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby dohboi » Mon 16 Oct 2017, 09:30:04

At least 30 dead in wildfires in Portugal and Spain as flames are whipped into a frenzy by winds from Ophelia!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... -evacuated
User avatar
dohboi
Harmless Drudge
Harmless Drudge
 
Posts: 16603
Joined: Mon 05 Dec 2005, 03:00:00

Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby vox_mundi » Mon 16 Oct 2017, 13:11:23

Ophelia winds feeding wildfires in Spain and Portugal today.

Exceptional view of *THICK smoke* from fires in N Spain and Portugal being advected N into France and the UK! Image: NASA Terra / MODIS
https://twitter.com/severeweatherEU/sta ... 2568672257

Image


Storm brings 'apocalyptic' skies to Britain

The sun shone red and the sky darkened to a foreboding orange and brown across parts of Britain on Monday, as a storm swept air and dust in from southern Europe. "On the eastern side of the low pressure system air is coming up in the southern direction. Air is being pulled from southern Europe and African Sahara and that air contains a lot of dust".
“There are three classes of people: those who see. Those who see when they are shown. Those who do not see.” ― Leonardo da Vinci

Insensible before the wave so soon released by callous fate. Affected most, they understand the least, and understanding, when it comes, invariably arrives too late.
User avatar
vox_mundi
Fission
Fission
 
Posts: 3628
Joined: Wed 27 Sep 2006, 02:00:00

Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby pstarr » Mon 16 Oct 2017, 13:18:31

dohboi wrote:This paper shows severe loss of water content in trees due to the California drought of 2011 -2017 (this paper was published in 2016, and shows data ending in 2015). It has some really good maps of water stressed trees, and shows that Napa and Sonoma counties were hard hit by the drought, with lots of dead or dying trees. Conditions worsened during 2016, then we got massive rain in the winter of 2016-2017, and huge growth of grass and brush.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Gr ... 93895e.pdf


Thanks to Leland Palmer at scribbler's site for text and link

In prehistoric times the native American regularly burned brushy areas and forests to encourage new growth (attracts deer). The mature trees were left unscathed by dint of their size, large mass and thick bark. They didn't burn.
Haven't you heard? I'm a doomer!
pstarr
NeoMaster
NeoMaster
 
Posts: 26063
Joined: Mon 27 Sep 2004, 02:00:00
Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain

Re: Wildfires/Forestfires 2017

Unread postby GASMON » Mon 16 Oct 2017, 13:30:06

vox_mundi wrote:The sun shone red and the sky darkened to a foreboding orange and brown across parts of Britain on Monday, as a storm swept air and dust in from southern Europe. "On the eastern side of the low pressure system air is coming up in the southern direction. Air is being pulled from southern Europe and African Sahara and that air contains a lot of dust".


Indeed it did. The sky was a strange red colour this morning, light rain covered my cars with a layer of fine light ash / dust. The red sky quickly disappeared and now very windy, though not too bad here in NW England. Wind will peak here in a couple of hours.

Gas
The truth is sometimes incorrect
User avatar
GASMON
Fission
Fission
 
Posts: 2395
Joined: Sat 29 Mar 2008, 02:00:00
Location: Lancashire England

Previous

Return to Environment

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 16 guests