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Re: The Greenland Thread

Unread postby Cog » Sun 16 Jul 2017, 08:11:29

And you will kill everyone who doesn't hold Mother Earth as sacred. Tell me you won't.
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Re: The Greenland Thread

Unread postby Ibon » Sun 16 Jul 2017, 08:36:41

Cog wrote:And you will kill everyone who doesn't hold Mother Earth as sacred. Tell me you won't.


Certainly part of the reason you are drawn to this site is that you recognize on some level that we are collectively killing ourselves if we don't learn to self regulate our consumption and population. We know your position that is clear that as long as everyone else dies except you and your tribe than that is ok. That is not the point though, who you want dead or who I am willing to kill :)

It's closely related to how one manages ones personal finances. You have shared how you honor frugality and sustaining yourself economically. A set of external consequences will shift that position you have to including sustaining yourself ecologically as well. In due time, if not you then your progeny. The day will come when sustaining yourself ecologically will be the best way to preserve your wealth. We aren't there yet.

In the same pragmatic way that Wallmart for example distributes so efficiently its product chain. The only thing missing is holding mother earth as sacred as you do your stock portfolio.

By the way, when did I suggest killing anyone? The correction comes external of human agency.
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Re: The Greenland Thread

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 16 Jul 2017, 09:32:11

Don't bother with cog...he's just part of the outermost, crustiest, most rigid and brittle part of your onion...sure to fall away first. :)

But he does do a good job of representing what your cultural evolution, if that's an appropriate term here, is up against. He has been exposed to cogent arguments here for years now, yet he and a few other continue to cling to their withered belief system.

I think the real 'lesson' will come when/if people are again in relatively small, relatively isolated communities, where pretty much all consumption is perforce local. In that situation, you really don't make it for very long unless you learn quickly (within a very few generations) to live within your ecological means.
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Re: The Greenland Thread

Unread postby Cog » Sun 16 Jul 2017, 10:03:20

Seems to me we are living within our ecological means right now. Those energy slaves we work so diligently to dig out of the ground, continue to do useful work and sustain the population that we have. Ecological constraints don't mean the same to a human as they do the beasts of the field.
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Re: The Greenland Thread

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 16 Jul 2017, 12:16:00

Again, cog provides the valuable service of manifesting for us the deep-seated anthropo-exceptionalism (if I may coin a term) that sits near the heart of most modern delusions.
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Record July Temperature

Unread postby jawagord » Sun 16 Jul 2017, 12:35:36

Record low for North America that is -33C.

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Re: The Greenland Thread

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 16 Jul 2017, 12:44:08

Yes, Virginia, there are going to be new records set both on the cold and the warm side for quite some time to come. That's the nature of weather.

But as the climate has shifted, there have been many more hot records broken than cold, especially so in the last two decades or so.

But as long as there is still snow, there will be some damn fool congressman throwing it around stupidly pretending that this proves anything about anything.
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