Exploring Hydrocarbon Depletion
KaiserJeep wrote:It's a matter of perspective. To Greenie Gaia-worshipping AGW fanboys, "Progress" would be more people living in the woods, not owning cars, not commuting, not consuming, and with itchy behinds because they use green leaves and not toilet paper.
KaiserJeep wrote:There's truth to what you say. But note that the hours of attentive nuturing a child needs every day are missing at both the One Percenter level and the Welfare single parent household. They were the norm in that rapidly disappearing Middle Class.
As for the financial means, that part is nonsense. We had about $1100 in my kid's college fund. She went to a private out-of-state college, using financial aid, education loans, working while studying, and an athletic scholarship to play NCAA basketball. (Her team went as far as the playoffs one year, and died in the second round, the "Elite Eight".) She paid off those loans after graduating while working for the American Red Cross.
Money is not required for an education, only a desire to succeed. The desire to succeed is everything needed in life, and the most successful Americans at instilling that desire were the Middle Class.
KaiserJeep wrote:with itchy behinds because they use green leaves and not toilet paper.
KaiserJeep wrote:By any chance, Ibon, is that warm water? If so, did you use FF's or the sun to warm it?
That economic stratification may lead to collapse on its own, on the other hand, came as more of a surprise to Motesharrei and his colleagues. Under this scenario, elites push society toward instability and eventual collapse by hoarding huge quantities of wealth and resources, and leaving little or none for commoners who vastly outnumber them yet support them with labour. Eventually, the working population crashes because the portion of wealth allocated to them is not enough, followed by collapse of the elites due to the absence of labour. The inequalities we see today both within and between countries already point to such disparities. For example, the top 10% of global income earners are responsible for almost as much total greenhouse gas emissions as the bottom 90% combined.
On the other hand, Western societies may not meet with a violent, dramatic end. In some cases, civilisations simply fade out of existence – becoming the stuff of history not with a bang but a whimper. The British Empire has been on this path since 1918, Randers says, and other Western nations might go this route as well. As time passes, they will become increasingly inconsequential
KaiserJeep wrote:That analysis seems pretty far out. I do not, for example, believe that civilization has been in decline in the UK since 1918, almost a century. That was when the old English society, sharply divided into social classes (a la Downton Abbey) began to collapse in earnest, and was replaced by a burgeoning Middle Class.
I mean, who cares if the British Empire is in decline? Obviously, these clowns Motesharrei and Randers.
Defining the peak of English civilization as that time when the English Middle Class maxxed out in numbers and income, it was from about 1950 to 2000 or so, same as in most Western countries, including the USA. The British Empire divested itself of most of the remaining colonies then, but certainly grew a vibrant and healthy society, until the world population started to cause shortages of most things including cheap energy. Now the UK faces the same limits to growth as all developed nations, which has nothing to do with the fact that the right sort of people are no longer in charge.
GASMON wrote:Some (well less than one percent) became rich. most just eked out a living, and yes, living standards DID improve for most folks, but very, very few became rich.
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