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Re: The One Percent

Unread postby Cog » Thu 20 Apr 2017, 12:32:04

As long as I can cruise into the nursing home, spending my last dollar for an aide to wipe my ass with Charmin, right before I conk out, I will consider that a life well lived.
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Re: The One Percent

Unread postby efarmer » Thu 20 Apr 2017, 12:58:04

Sorry Cog, no more TP, the new Cyber-hygiene Mark V, "laser residue sublimator" is now covered by Medicaid for $6 per session. The aides are still in training and are learning to keep the beam moving to where they just see steam coming off and no smoke.
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Re: The One Percent

Unread postby Cog » Thu 20 Apr 2017, 12:59:36

Bill my inheritors.
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Re: The One Percent

Unread postby Newfie » Thu 20 Apr 2017, 13:02:38

The 90% MAY get a shot at the 1%.

In the event of a sufficient monetary collapse there will likely be a complete revaluation of the money system. If/when that happens then there is a chance the 1% will loose the vast majority of their wealth that is tied up in stocks and bonds and derivatives. They will be left with unencumbered wealth only.

Those 10%ers with $800,000 McMansions and BMWs, all deeply in debt, will be hurting. They are very vulnerable.
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Re: The One Percent

Unread postby Ibon » Thu 20 Apr 2017, 16:43:24

Related to these last couple of posts remember the more you have the more you have to lose, in other words the more paranoid you are, the more fences and walls you put up, the more enclosed you become and the more suspicious you are of your fellow man.

When you have no debt and nothing to lose you are free, less walls, more trusting, more able to slip in between the cracks, more able to integrate. This is a wealth of sorts.

The young millennials and those who follow who see their chances as very slim to participate in the shrinking wealth pie could be making the most intelligent choice to not even enter the rat race, to choose to be out of debt, free of mortgage and move footloose between jobs and honing their skills and sharing these in exchange for housing. They can increase their emotional and community wealth. This does start to define a new value system. I am not being idealistic, this is not born out of an ideal but out of a cold assessment of the economic opportunities and the trade off between benefits and sacrifices. There comes a point when you are better off choosing to forsake the treadmill and drifting.

This can then define a significant majority of the next couple of generations. They will still be seeking entertainment, status, brotherhood, relationships. There will be folk music and barn fires, hoe downs and all kinds of salty dog love going on. I see a gypsy revival movement occupying the shells of former McMansions. Peaceful little enclaves in former cul de sacs. Down right puts a smile on my face just picturing. Makes me wish I was young again :).
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Re: The One Percent

Unread postby Ibon » Thu 20 Apr 2017, 16:46:56

efarmer wrote:The viper sat there realizing he had waited for hours and the hummingbird was less than 5 grams of protein, and that he had killed a thing of beauty for little return. The morning sun was warm, and he soon fell asleep, and he dreamt he was much bigger, and was hiding in the kudzu, and suddenly a large and juicy kudzu ape came stomping along, earbuds blazing music in it's ears, and dropped his bag of corn curls and bent down right in front of him to pick them up...


I can see it all, them earbuds was all that was left dangling out of the serpents mouth as he moved to the light gap to thermo regulate in the sun. For it was a big Kudzu Ape and he needed the heat of the sun to help him start digesting.
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Re: The One Percent

Unread postby Squilliam » Thu 20 Apr 2017, 17:26:33

We are in a brave new world. It is difficult to move people to change because they are constantly distracted by the world that has been pulled over their eyes to hide the truth from them. We are flooded with irrelevancies, news we cannot act on, and our emotions are played -- because we enjoy it. If you watch the evening news, or pick up a newspaper how much of what is in there actually relevant to your daily life? It may be stimulating or gratifying, but almost none of it really is relevant.

The reason why blaming the 1% won't work is that they operate within the same system everyone else does. There are whole cohorts of voters that have similar interests as them because they too hold property, own shares, lend money to banks and benefit from the system. The largest majority of people (that actually vote) are the ones that own property of some kind or another, or know that in time they too will own property. They create the rules that benefit themselves simply out of their own self interest. Who votes? Older people mainly. Who are the greatest beneficiaries of the system? Older people.

@Ibon: Don't forget we have two younger generations now. Generation Z and generation Y (millennials). Generation Z is just coming of age, and entering college. There seem to be a lot of major differences between the two. I am the former, but the latter seem to have completely different ideas.

I am thinking quite seriously about getting a houseboat. $2000 for the mooring, $40,000 for the boat. $10,000 to upgrade it. Significantly cheaper, and a far cooler lifestyle than living in a house. To even pay for 1/5th of the rent of a house in Auckland I would have to pay around $200 per week. I'm poor again because I'm in my last year of University, but I definitely could afford to put $20,000 towards it with about half spare incase I need it.
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Re: The One Percent

Unread postby Hawkcreek » Thu 20 Apr 2017, 18:27:44

Cog wrote:As long as I can cruise into the nursing home, spending my last dollar for an aide to wipe my ass with Charmin, right before I conk out, I will consider that a life well lived.

Ending up your life not being able to wipe your own ass sounds like a complete tragedy, to me.
A bullet is a much better exit. Outside - on some nice soft grass with a good view- with a solid backstop so the bullet can't hurt anyone else. Maybe on the lawn of the funeral home so they won't have to waste gas to pick you up.
I'm sure that the nursing home aide would appreciate that too.
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Re: The One Percent

Unread postby Newfie » Thu 20 Apr 2017, 18:49:05

I am thinking quite seriously about getting a houseboat. $2000 for the mooring, $40,000 for the boat. $10,000 to upgrade it. Significantly cheaper, and a far cooler lifestyle than living in a house. To even pay for 1/5th of the rent of a house in Auckland I would have to pay around $200 per week. I'm poor again because I'm in my last year of University, but I definitely could afford to put $20,000 towards it with about half spare incase I need it.


Now your talking!

The hats something you can accomplish, there is a wealth of information on it. It has a lot of up sides, but is also a LOT of physical work and a steep learning curve.

You do a lot worse than yo read "Voyaging on a Small Income." At worst you will learn something about frugal living. Annie Hill is an extremely interesting person and a fellow Kiwi. Then there are the Pardys, I think Larry is very ill but Lynn is very active, also in NZ. You have some tremendous assets close by.
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Re: The One Percent

Unread postby Squilliam » Thu 20 Apr 2017, 19:14:49

Newfie wrote:Now your talking!

The hats something you can accomplish, there is a wealth of information on it. It has a lot of up sides, but is also a LOT of physical work and a steep learning curve.

You do a lot worse than yo read "Voyaging on a Small Income." At worst you will learn something about frugal living. Annie Hill is an extremely interesting person and a fellow Kiwi. Then there are the Pardys, I think Larry is very ill but Lynn is very active, also in NZ. You have some tremendous assets close by.


It's one of three options I am considering -- of course there are more than this.

1. Go rogue -- live off the land. Our climate is sub-tropical - mild temperate.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/vi ... _id=173925

It'd be interesting to live like that for a few years. There are huge areas of wilderness in my country, and plenty of food if you know where to look. Probably the best way though to throw off the dependance on civilization.

2. Go rural. Live in a small house inside a small/medium sized town (10-70,000 people). Tiny house movement. A nice mix of cheapness/ease without the problems inherent with boats. It seems if you live on a boat your life becomes the boat. Building a small house and living with a small income could work quite nicely.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/home- ... -for-10500


3. Live on a boat like above. Probably the biggest learning curve of the three.
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Re: The One Percent

Unread postby efarmer » Thu 20 Apr 2017, 19:19:35

Thanks for finishing my story Ibon. I didn't have the heart myself, I just kept seeing his monster truck parked by the kudzu with the KDZU8PE license plates.
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Re: The One Percent

Unread postby Newfie » Thu 20 Apr 2017, 19:32:27

God I love this place! ;)
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Re: The One Percent

Unread postby Ibon » Thu 20 Apr 2017, 19:34:46

Squilliam wrote:
@Ibon: Don't forget we have two younger generations now. Generation Z and generation Y (millennials). Generation Z is just coming of age, and entering college. There seem to be a lot of major differences between the two. I am the former, but the latter seem to have completely different ideas.
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Can you elaborate on those differences. I am most intetested.

I never watch TV or read newspapers. Believe it or not this site is about the only place I visit to get inputs of whats happening out there. And talking with our guests or quietly listening in on thier conversations ☺
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Re: The One Percent

Unread postby Ibon » Thu 20 Apr 2017, 19:57:13

Newfie wrote:God I love this place! ;)


This has been a great stream of posts. Thanks all!

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Re: The One Percent

Unread postby Squilliam » Thu 20 Apr 2017, 20:25:29

Ibon wrote:
Squilliam wrote:
@Ibon: Don't forget we have two younger generations now. Generation Z and generation Y (millennials). Generation Z is just coming of age, and entering college. There seem to be a lot of major differences between the two. I am the former, but the latter seem to have completely different ideas.
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Can you elaborate on those differences. I am most intetested.

I never watch TV or read newspapers. Believe it or not this site is about the only place I visit to get inputs of whats happening out there. And talking with our guests or quietly listening in on thier conversations ☺


It's hard to define a generation because there are a lot of contradictions and diversity within any one group. Technology is the biggest influencer on shaping people's brains as they develop, so if you have early adopters of things like computers, internet, broadband etc their behaviour would tend to skew younger. Boomers and gen Xers are defined more by television; whereas gens y/z are defined increasingly by computers and the internet.

I see my generation and the generation in front of me becoming increasingly overstimulated. Pornography, constant connectivity and 24/7 access to media as well as social media are huge changes that are taking place. In many ways we are living a 'peter pan' kind of lifestyle whereby many of us don't really expect to grow up and assume the same kinds of responsibilities that our parents have.

The biggest differences come from expectations and life experience. Most gen Zers have completely given up on the idea of ever owning a house. Millennials on the other hand grew up when it was still affordable/manageable if you made the right choices. The biggest difference is the acceptance of non-traditional lifestyles. Growing up/coming of age with social media means that you live your life viewing the 'highlights reel' of other people's lives. Millennials tend to develop their lives based on personal interaction; whereas Zers tend to develop based on online interactions. Instagram, facebook, twitter etc all encourage people to want to be 'interesting' to others in order to gain the gratification of 'likes and follows'.
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Re: The One Percent

Unread postby baha » Fri 21 Apr 2017, 05:29:44

KaiserJeep wrote:our political influence begins and ends with one vote. Our ability to affect the system we exist within begins and ends with how many millions of dollars we are willing to dump into that sewer of a swamp we call Washington, DC.


The point KJ is making is money buys influence, absolutely right. But there are also other ways to influence folks. Peak Oil is one. This supports what I have been thinking. My one vote, one lifestyle, one man revolution, is slow to get going so I need to branch out. The Internet has given us a way to influence people without being filtered by the MSM. Connections freely available to anyone interested...If Facebook was as insightful and stimulating as PeakOil the world would already be different. Trump proves DC can't fight the grass roots, we just need to plant the grass in the right place.

And continue the good fight. I am also one who 'games the system' but I do it from the reverse angle. Use it against itself...take a robo-call, push a button to make sure there is a human talking, and set the phone down. You have just spent their money for no return...too much of that and they will go under. Accept a grid connection, use it to insure you will always have power, and then pay them exactly $12/month for the rest of eternity. Too much of that and they will go under. Vote for higher fuel and VAT taxes and don't buy anything...everyone else is paying for your infrastructure.

Sure if too many people do this the system breaks down...but long before that TPTB break down and there is some chance to make changes.
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Re: The One Percent

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 21 Apr 2017, 07:01:39

The System contains the seeds of its own demise as it is disenfranchising more and more people on a continuous basis
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Re: The One Percent

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Fri 21 Apr 2017, 07:29:22

onlooker wrote:The System contains the seeds of its own demise as it is disenfranchising more and more people on a continuous basis


I see no evidence that is true. There are more people employed than ever before, the stock market is booming to record numbers, and more and more petroleum - from whatever sources - is being consumed.

The main difference today that was never true before is that the Baby Boomers are retiring in great numbers, and the mix of products and services within the economy is changing. We are bombarded by advertising for old people - walk-in tubs, electric carts, laxatives, life alert pendants, cell phones with giant buttons, snoring remedies, medical insurance ads, arthritis cures, and lawyers looking to sue anybody for anything.

It's real different from when the younger crowd were the most sought after demographic. Older people have very different consumer habits and these are still evolving in an online world.

If any young people want to drop out and not save for the future, they would be the losers. You can't have winners without losers. You can remain in the Middle Class or exit the top or exit the bottom - it's entirely up to you. History is replete with people who have made non-conventional lifestyle choices, but relatively few of these people prosper, many end up homeless or substance abusers or prisoners.
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Re: The One Percent

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 21 Apr 2017, 07:43:51

I see no evidence that is true. There are more people employed than ever before, the stock market is booming to record numbers, and more and more petroleum - from whatever sources - is being consumed.
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Uh? I have seen statistics showing the opposite. Alot of people are not being counted as unemployed because they have permanently disengaged from workforce or disabled --https://fee.org/articles/hiding-the-unemployed-disability-and-the-politics-of-stats/
Oh and stock market is literally alot of hot air inflated balloon with little attachment to the real Economy nowadays. And oil consumption has NOT matched a vibrant Economy in the last few years.
I wish also to highlight what can be expressed as a good sign as it demonstrates a developing social trend of greater social cohesion.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/20/scariest ... ntary.html
Second, we have another Pew report that shows that millennials feel much closer to their parents than people did in previous generations when they were their age. A MacArthur Foundation report from 2008 shows how adolescence in America has become stretched out over many more years with younger adults and their parents spending many more years together is what we sometimes call "quality time."
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Re: The One Percent

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 21 Apr 2017, 09:26:34

In keeping with highlighting the social trends of the system and its managers and main beneficiaries ie. the 1% in relation to the rest of us is this:
https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspecti ... ost-people

A new book by economist Peter Temin finds that the U.S. is no longer one country, but dividing into two separate economic and political worlds
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