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Arctic Sea Ice 2017 Pt. 1

Re: Arctic Sea Ice 2017 Pt. 1

Unread postby dolanbaker » Sat 11 Feb 2017, 17:03:42

onlooker wrote:You deniers are really stretching your denial here. Anyone with a working brain can see something very anomalous is happening in the Arctic now. Like being on the verge of a relatively ice free Arctic sea. Duh.

Well only in the recent recorded history, would be great to know the sea ice extent figures during the 7th century or thereabouts when the Vikings colonised Greenland. Or more recently in the 1930-50 period.
Ronald Coase, Nobel Economic Sciences, said in 1991 “If we torture the data long enough, it will confess.”
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Re: Arctic Sea Ice 2017 Pt. 1

Unread postby onlooker » Sat 11 Feb 2017, 17:16:14

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense ... exist.html
According to this article "Ice has been a relatively constant feature of the Arctic for most of the past 36 million years," and "The study provides new evidence that the last major gap ended about 2.6 million years ago, after which ice sheets spread southward and humanity’s ancestors began to respond to colder temperatures in Africa, forcing adaptation like the use of stone tools. Humans themselves wouldn’t evolve for more than a million more years."
“Thirty years from now there will be a huge amount of oil – and no buyers. Oil will be left in the ground. The Stone Age came to an end, not because we had a lack of stones, and the oil age will come to an end not because we have a lack of oil.”"Sheikh Ahmed Zaki Yamani,
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Re: Arctic Sea Ice 2017 Pt. 1

Unread postby dohboi » Sat 11 Feb 2017, 18:32:40

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/cap ... c31d3695e6

It’s about 50 degrees warmer than normal near the North Pole, yet again
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Re: Arctic Sea Ice 2017 Pt. 1

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sat 11 Feb 2017, 19:04:56

dohboi wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2017/02/10/its-about-50-degrees-warmer-than-normal-near-the-north-pole/?utm_term=.45c31d3695e6

It’s about 50 degrees warmer than normal near the North Pole, yet again

This story is total BS if you take the time to check it out for yourself.
Consider actual temps from various sites around the arctic rim you can access here.
https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/CAXX0829:1:CA
I look at Alert Canada , Barrow Alaska, Tiksi Russia and Longyearbyn Norway and a few others to get a reading on actual conditions. (remember Longyearbyn sits in the end of the gulf stream and is always warmer then the rest.
Seven or even eight degrees above normal? That is really happening and is bad enough but fifty degrees? That is pure BS and those that put that forward as truth need to be shot.
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Re: Arctic Sea Ice 2017 Pt. 1

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 12 Feb 2017, 20:54:47

VT,

It says NEAR THE NORTH POLE.

Not everywhere or on average.

It may be alarmsist for those that can't read. Let's not encourage that trend.
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Re: Arctic Sea Ice 2017 Pt. 1

Unread postby clif » Mon 13 Feb 2017, 01:39:51

Friday’s temperatures very near the North Pole are about 50 degrees warmer than normal, according to a temperature analysis by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Reports from the ground offer further evidence of the unusual intensity of the high-latitude warmth.

On Wednesday, as the flux of warm air surged into the Arctic, the northernmost land station in the world in northern Greenland shot up 43 degrees (24 Celsius) in just 12 hours, cresting the melting point:

World's northernmost land station @dmidk's Kap Morris Jessup on tip of #Greenland went from -22C to +2C in 12 hrs https://t.co/D6iFvWJ0Kr pic.twitter.com/EZVRLG7YnV

— WMO | OMM (@WMO) February 10, 2017

Early in the week, weather station Nord, in northeast Greenland, broke its all-time February high-temperature record by almost four degrees (two Celsius), the Danish Meteorological Institute reported.


But some cranky internet blogger hates that fact and wants somebody shot.

That is pure BS and those that put that forward as truth need to be shot.
8O

Hmmm, whom should I believe? :roll:

NOAA and the Danish Meteorological Institute, or some crank who wants to kill people for reporting news he doesn't like, because if that cranky blogger ( who advocated shooting people he disagrees with) actually READ the story linked he would see links to the FACTS they reported ...............................................................
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Re: Arctic Sea Ice 2017 Pt. 1

Unread postby kiwichick » Mon 13 Feb 2017, 02:51:41

thanks Clif
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Re: Arctic Sea Ice 2017 Pt. 1

Unread postby dohboi » Mon 13 Feb 2017, 07:05:13

Thanks, folks.
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Re: Arctic Sea Ice 2017 Pt. 1

Unread postby dissident » Mon 13 Feb 2017, 11:00:46

The breakdown of the polar front jet has now established a new pattern that nobody anticipated (that I know of) back 15 years ago: routine warm air mass penetration to the pole. There is no longer a dome of cold air shored up by a circumpolar circulation that shields the polar cap from middle-latitude air and vice versa. Now we have air mass excursions 45 degrees latitude in extent.

The net result for the Arctic polar cap is that it will be much warmer in winter on average than under the previous stable regime. This is in spite of the fact that globally averaged the warming is still very small. In fact, the warmer pole is actually leading to a colder middle latitude belt but due to the large difference in surface area, the cooling is much smaller than the warming. At the end of the day, the sea ice is getting stressed to disappear and the Arctic Ocean is not cooling as fast in winter through ice-free zones as it would have under the previous atmospheric regime. (But it is this open ocean heat flux that is causing the new atmospheric regime in the first place).
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Re: Arctic Sea Ice 2017 Pt. 1

Unread postby onlooker » Sat 18 Feb 2017, 18:57:56

“Thirty years from now there will be a huge amount of oil – and no buyers. Oil will be left in the ground. The Stone Age came to an end, not because we had a lack of stones, and the oil age will come to an end not because we have a lack of oil.”"Sheikh Ahmed Zaki Yamani,
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