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Re: Preppers: how realistic is "The Walking Dead"?

Unread postby pstarr » Wed 07 Oct 2015, 10:49:07

The linked article suggests that stopping early is good for the person.
Furthermore, wiping out drug-susceptible bacteria in infections too quickly makes it easier for drug-resistant bacteria to compete over a host’s resources.
Using the traditional long drug run there would be no more bacteria of any kind. They have been barrel-bombed by the traditional long run. A population destroyed by the conventional long-drug run can not compete because it has been neutralized. This makes no sense.

Better access to nutrients lets the mutant bugs multiply far more rapidly, upping the odds that they’ll reach a so-called “transmissible density.” That means the resistant bacteria proliferate so much that they can escape and infect another person.
Same bad logic.

Even if the theory were true and the person does benefits from short runs, because the short run supposedly prevents “good” bugs from developing drug-resistant genes, which can then transfer to bad bugs. However that 'gene-transfer' theory is not the greatest science. It feels like a fad. The fact remains, the real issue is a public-health, as much as a personal-health issue. Just like the vaccination thing. So cheaper is not necessarily better. I have to agree with Steve, probiotics are important but so is a doctors advice.
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Re: Preppers: how realistic is "The Walking Dead"?

Unread postby frankthetank » Wed 07 Oct 2015, 14:35:48

vtsnowedin wrote:By ignoring the rules on taking antibiotics you have chosen to become one of the worst promoters of antibiotic resistant diseases. If I could identify you I would shoot you on sight.


Lyme Disease? I've had it... You take antibiotics ..the longer the better (best bet is to pulse it because Lyme is slow to replicate). Ask anyone with neural Lyme or those bed ridden by it or those that die from it (Lyme disease loves infecting the heart). Not to mention the other little bugs that travel with Lyme (Babesia and Bartonella //along with others)> I took Doxy for a month and continue to take naturals just in case... There are natural antibiotics out there... some say Oregano Oil, Cats Claw, Enula, even grapefruit seed extract (that one is debatable) can kill various forms of bacteria/parasites. Most Lyme folks (chronic) take 2 or more antibiotics at a time. One case i read had a guy (this was in the 90s) taking Amoxi for like 7 years!

Everyone on TWD would have Lyme sooner or later for how much time they spend stomping around the woods... especially in the spring.

I don't get why that Rick Grimes carrys that huge cannon 6 shooter (.357?) for a sidearm... I'd have something that carries as many rounds as possible.

I think TWD folks have it easy..most of the population is toast...the zombies are dumb (predictable) ... easier to deal with then humans. I stopped watching the show after season 3... I did find the comment by the CDC nutcase funny (relying on fossil fuels=big mistake).
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Re: Preppers: how realistic is "The Walking Dead"?

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Wed 07 Oct 2015, 22:30:38

frankthetank wrote:I don't get why that Rick Grimes carrys that huge cannon 6 shooter (.357?) for a sidearm... I'd have something that carries as many rounds as possible.
It would be nice to see someone with a break-top 9 round H&R .22 revolver.
I'd be pretty happy with my CZ82 with a dozen rounds of 9x18.
Personally it annoys me to see TWD actors using sidearms as clubs and even to hammer nails (!). A gun won't last long when misused like that.
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Re: Preppers: how realistic is "The Walking Dead"?

Unread postby steam_cannon » Thu 08 Oct 2015, 09:37:04

frankthetank wrote:one case i read had a guy (this was in the 90s) taking Amoxi for like 7 years!
Yes it can be very difficult to treat, though some of the research this year is promising...

northeastern.edu wrote:Researchers’ discovery may explain difficulty in treating Lyme disease - June 2015

North­eastern Uni­ver­sity researchers have found that the bac­terium that causes Lyme dis­ease forms dor­mant per­sister cells, which are known to evade antibi­otics. This sig­nif­i­cant finding, they said, could help explain why it’s so dif­fi­cult to treat the infec­tion in some patients...

...In addi­tion to iden­ti­fying the pres­ence of these per­sister cells, Lewis’ team also pre­sented two methods for wiping out the infection—both of which were suc­cessful in lab tests. One involved an anti-​​cancer agent called Mit­o­mycin C, which com­pletely erad­i­cated all cul­tures of the bac­terium in one fell swoop. How­ever, Lewis stressed that, given Mit­o­mycin C’s tox­i­city, it isn’t a rec­om­mended option for treating Lyme dis­ease, though his team’s find­ings are useful to helping to better under­stand the disease.

The second approach, which Lewis noted is much more prac­tical, involved pulse-​​dosing an antibi­otic to elim­i­nate per­sis­ters. The researchers intro­duced the antibi­otic a first time, which killed the growing cells but not the dor­mant per­sis­ters. But once the antibi­otic washed away, the per­sis­ters woke up, and before they had time to restore their pop­u­la­tion the researchers hit them with the antibi­otic again. Four rounds of antibi­otic treat­ments com­pletely erad­i­cated the per­sis­ters in a test tube...

frankthetank wrote:Everyone on TWD would have Lyme sooner or later for how much time they spend stomping around the woods... especially in the spring.
Agreed! And probably feeling like zombies themselves, that would make an interesting episode if they had at least one cast member wondering if he was slowing turning into a zombie, but they put in hints it was lyme and or babesiosis...
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Re: Preppers: how realistic is "The Walking Dead"?

Unread postby GHung » Fri 10 Feb 2017, 14:22:13

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Being prepared for zombies is now a real thing in Illinois
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/10/us/illino ... index.html

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(CNN)It's not like marauding hordes of zombies are roaming the streets of Illinois, but state lawmakers think that's no reason not to be prepared.
The legislature has declared October "Zombie Preparedness Month."
Why? Because, as House ResoIution 0030 says, "If the citizens of Illinois are prepared for zombies, than [sic] they are prepared for any natural disaster."
The resolution was approved Thursday and yes, at the heart of it, it speaks to a bigger point: Americans, for the most part, aren't equipped with dealing with natural disasters. Very few have an emergency plan prepared or even supplies of food, water or medicine.

Still, the debate on the House floor as lawmakers considered the measure, made for some interesting moments.
"Rep. Steven Andersson, R-Geneva, questioned which type of zombie should be used as a model for natural disaster preparedness," the Chicago Tribune reported.
He noted "that the undead featured on the show "Z Nation" are quick and smart. Those portrayed on "The Walking Dead," though, are slow but come in droves."
Here's the full text. It's good reading:

HR0030 LRB100 04249 MST 14255 r

1
HOUSE RESOLUTION


2 WHEREAS, Tornadoes, floods, and other natural disasters
3 are real and all Illinois citizens should be aware of the
4 potential danger; while prevention of natural disasters is not
5 viable, citizens can be prepared with emergency supplies and
6 plans; and

7 WHEREAS, If the citizens of Illinois are prepared for
8 zombies, than they are prepared for any natural disaster; while
9 a Zombie Apocalypse may never happen, the preparation for such
10 an event is the same as for any natural disaster; and

11 WHEREAS, Disasters disrupt hundreds of thousands of lives
12 every year and can have lasting effects, both to people and
13 property; and

14 WHEREAS, Over 60% of Americans are not practicing or
15 preparing for natural disasters, and only 39% have developed an
16 emergency plan; and

17 WHEREAS, Practicing for preparedness makes perfect, and
18 staying safe is important for the citizens of Illinois; and

19 WHEREAS, Citizens should have supplies on hand, which may
20 include, water, food, medications, tools, electronics,




HR0030 - 2 - LRB100 04249 MST 14255 r

1 sanitation and hygiene, clothing and bedding, important
2 documents, and first aid; and

3 WHEREAS, Having an emergency plan and supplies can reduce
4 the negative impacts of natural disasters or help avoid them
5 completely; and

6 WHEREAS, Being prepared can reduce fear, anxiety, and
7 losses that accompany disasters; and

8 WHEREAS, Emergencies can happen anywhere, anytime;
9 citizens of Illinois should prepare for the Zombie Apocalypse;
10 therefore, be it

11 RESOLVED, BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ONE
12 HUNDREDTH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, that all
13 Illinois residents are encouraged to participate in preparing
14 for a Zombie Apocalypse, and have a plan that includes, signing
15 up for local texts and weather alerts, developing emergency
16 communications for the household, collecting significant
17 documents and storing them in a safe place, and gathering
18 emergency supplies; and be it further

19 RESOLVED, That all Illinois citizens are urged to follow
20 and act on disaster preparedness guidelines of the Illinois
21 Emergency Management Agency and Federal Emergency Management




HR0030 - 3 - LRB100 04249 MST 14255 r

1 Agency; and be it further

2 RESOLVED, That we designate October 2017 as "Zombie
3 Preparedness Month" in the State of Illinois, and urge all
4 Illinoisans to educate themselves about natural disasters and
5 take steps to create a stockpile of food, water, and other
6 emergency supplies that can last up to 72 hours.


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Re: Preppers: how realistic is "The Walking Dead"?

Unread postby Cog » Fri 10 Feb 2017, 15:20:12

I'm so glad that Illinois has solved all of their budget problems and have time for this nonsense.
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Re: Preppers: how realistic is "The Walking Dead"?

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Fri 10 Feb 2017, 18:26:01

Not being able to solve budget problems or "Make Illinois Great Again" is probably a good indicator the the Zombies are coming.
Prepping is probably even more necessary
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Re: Preppers: how realistic is "The Walking Dead"?

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Fri 10 Feb 2017, 20:22:42

Hey if the CDC can have a plan for Zombies why can't the rest of government?
https://www.cdc.gov/phpr/zombies.htm
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Re: Preppers: how realistic is "The Walking Dead"?

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Sat 11 Feb 2017, 07:17:08

Surely we can build a wall to keep zombies out and make the zombies pay :P
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Re: Preppers: how realistic is "The Walking Dead"?

Unread postby Cog » Sat 11 Feb 2017, 08:09:20

Just don't put Rick Grimes in charge of the wall. It will never get built.
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Re: Preppers: how realistic is "The Walking Dead"?

Unread postby pstarr » Sat 11 Feb 2017, 14:14:34

I like the way the living people usually have nice haircuts and clean shaves. And the woman have soft pretty skin. Then you have the zombies who look like re-fried shit.

Another funny thing: how about those Vikings? I've done the shave/bald-head thing. It's time consuming because the head is round, but the blade is straight, ie a tangent on a curve is infinitely a pain in the ass.
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Re: Preppers: how realistic is "The Walking Dead"?

Unread postby GHung » Sat 11 Feb 2017, 14:34:04

Cog wrote:I'm so glad that Illinois has solved all of their budget problems and have time for this nonsense.


Maybe, in reviewing their 'budget problems', someone figured out they had no workable Plan B in the case of major disruptions, emergencies, or disasters, and weren't going to have the funds to implement anything useful. Someone tried to come up with a clever bill to encourage (at least some) folks to get prepared.

I'm convinced that most folks have too much faith that government has their backs if TSHTF; that government on all levels is woefully unprepared. I read an article recently (can't figure out where) where the interviewee suggested that the government had giant warehouses around the country full of food and rationing cards, ready for a major collapse, catastrophe, or martial law. Really?

Maybe they'll put Brownie in charge. Meanwhile, I'm good to go on most things.
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Re: Preppers: how realistic is "The Walking Dead"?

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Sun 12 Feb 2017, 19:32:09

In major disasters here the government has come through .
During flooding we had helicopter drops of water and food
Flour was bought into the bakery by LARC
Credit was made available with the issuing of debit cards
Money was deposited into bank accounts
Psychologists were flown in
and lots of other stuff
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