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Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 3

Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 3

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sun 25 Dec 2016, 07:27:03

sjn wrote:
The UK Met Office wrote:Although there is no clear consensus on whether global warming is currently having any measurable impact on tropical cyclones, climate models indicate that there may be an increase in tropical cyclone intensity in the future, under continued global warming. However, the models also indicate that tropical cyclone frequency will either remain unchanged or decrease.

Well that right there is a good solid we don't know! :roll:
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 3

Unread postby Satori » Sun 25 Dec 2016, 17:12:03

Weather buoy near North Pole hits melting point – Large area of Arctic 20°C higher than normal on Christmas Eve 2016

http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2016/12 ... -hits.html
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 3

Unread postby M_B_S » Mon 09 Jan 2017, 06:01:40

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016 ... .html?_r=0

Heat, Hunger and War Force Africans Onto a ‘Road on Fire’
Text by SOMINI SENGUPTA Photographs and video by JOSH HANER

THE MAD MAX SCENARIO in REALITY
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You don't want to see these vehicles from "Mad Max: Fury Road" in your rearview.

or these

MAD ISIS

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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 3

Unread postby kiwichick » Sat 14 Jan 2017, 11:29:35

hottest night ever for Sydney .....that's since 1858 ....

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-14/s ... rd/8182602
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 3

Unread postby vox_mundi » Wed 01 Feb 2017, 17:13:16

Beyond the extreme’: Scientists marvel at ‘increasingly non-natural’ Arctic warmth

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Walter Meier, a research scientist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center and an expert on Arctic sea ice, explained that the recent lack of sea ice and warmer-than-normal ocean temperatures have “kept air temperatures higher than normal, especially in the Barents and Kara Seas” between Greenland and Siberia. “A series of storms tracking from the south has led to repeated influx of warm air and ocean waters into the region,” he said. Such an influx is predicted next week.

Sun, the chart’s creator, pointed to a recent lack of cold polar high pressure systems over the Arctic, which block heat and moisture transfer from mid-latitudes. “Now Atlantic and Pacific storms blow right into the central Arctic and transform the area from a cold, dry desert into a wet and stormy ocean,” he said.

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Averaged over the Arctic north of 80 degrees, this chart displays the difference from normal in the cumulative number of freezing degree days September to January. Freezing degree days accumulate according to the number of degrees Celsius below freezing. Minus-5 Celsius would represent five freezing degree days. (Nico Sun)

What happens next in the Arctic is anyone’s guess. But Penn State’s Titley, who said we are “headed into a new unknown” is concerned: “Science is still trying to figure out the details. We do know that 2017 will almost certainly start with the weakest, thinnest, smallest arctic ice pack in recorded history. So we are one step closer to living with an ice-free arctic in the summer, and probably sooner than we think.”


“Planned Retreat” Enters the Climate Dialogue

More and more, “organized retreat” is a part of the conversation.

That strategy, once politically unpalatable, has emerged from the shadows in recent months as scientists, community leaders and governments try to figure out how to move people out of the way of coastal flooding and other hazards.
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 3

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 01 Feb 2017, 20:27:13

vox_mundi wrote:“Planned Retreat” Enters the Climate Dialogue

More and more, “organized retreat” is a part of the conversation.

That strategy, once politically unpalatable, has emerged from the shadows in recent months as scientists, community leaders and governments try to figure out how to move people out of the way of coastal flooding and other hazards.


Its hard to remember, but just 9 short years ago Obama was promising huge campaign crowds that if only they would elect him, THIS WILL BE THE MOMENT THAT THE SEAS STOP RISING

Unfortunately, he was lying.

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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 3

Unread postby vox_mundi » Thu 02 Feb 2017, 11:02:47

European Environment Agency: Climate change poses increasingly severe risks

Europe’s regions are facing rising sea levels and more extreme weather, such as more frequent and more intense heatwaves, flooding, droughts and storms due to climate change, according to a European Environment Agency report published today.

The report (Climate Change, Impacts and Vulnerability in Europe 2016) assesses the latest trends and projections on climate change and its impacts across Europe and finds that better and more flexible adaptation strategies, policies and measures will be crucial to lessen these impacts.


Its head, Hans Bruyninckx, said Wednesday that climate change "will continue for many decades to come," adding the scale and impacts will, among other things, "depend on the effectiveness of implementing our global agreements to cut greenhouse gas emissions."

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In many parts of Europe, the risk of river flooding is expected to increase; in north-eastern Europe, the probability of floods is expected to fall. Further to climate exposure, the placement of many new urban areas and the accumulation of assets in low-lying areas close to rivers has intensified the sensitivity to river floods. The map shows the low-lying urban areas potentially threatened by river flooding in a one-in-a-century flood event, both for the current period and in the projected future. However, the map does not take into account eventual future changes in urban land-take, nor any adaptation measures like flood defences or flood retention that may lower the risk.
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 3

Unread postby dolanbaker » Sat 04 Feb 2017, 13:35:17

vox_mundi wrote:European Environment Agency: Climate change poses increasingly severe risks

Europe’s regions are facing rising sea levels and more extreme weather, such as more frequent and more intense heatwaves, flooding, droughts and storms due to climate change, according to a European Environment Agency report published today.

The report (Climate Change, Impacts and Vulnerability in Europe 2016) assesses the latest trends and projections on climate change and its impacts across Europe and finds that better and more flexible adaptation strategies, policies and measures will be crucial to lessen these impacts.


Its head, Hans Bruyninckx, said Wednesday that climate change "will continue for many decades to come," adding the scale and impacts will, among other things, "depend on the effectiveness of implementing our global agreements to cut greenhouse gas emissions."

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In many parts of Europe, the risk of river flooding is expected to increase; in north-eastern Europe, the probability of floods is expected to fall. Further to climate exposure, the placement of many new urban areas and the accumulation of assets in low-lying areas close to rivers has intensified the sensitivity to river floods. The map shows the low-lying urban areas potentially threatened by river flooding in a one-in-a-century flood event, both for the current period and in the projected future. However, the map does not take into account eventual future changes in urban land-take, nor any adaptation measures like flood defences or flood retention that may lower the risk.

Flooding in most parts of Europe is usually down to poor "river management" almost all of the recent flood events in Ireland have occurred where flood plains (they're called that for a reason) have been developed. Houses built on these lands are getting flooded, in other areas "flood management" schemes have resulted in areas that have never (in recorded history) flooded, suffering because the water that would have gone to the flood plains has been blocked from doing so.

The nearby town suffered quite badly a couple of years ago, it was nowhere near as bad before the hydroelectric dam was built downstream.
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 3

Unread postby pstarr » Sat 04 Feb 2017, 13:59:36

Plantagenet wrote:Its hard to remember, but just 9 short years ago Obama was promising huge campaign crowds that if only they would elect him, THIS WILL BE THE MOMENT THAT THE SEAS STOP RISING

Unfortunately, he was lying.

Planty, you have allowed your illogical hatred of the first black President of the United States to overcome your otherwise rational self. You have become a pawn of the Climate Chaos plot that is digging into your vast storehouse of wealth.

Keep the Communistic One World Government out of our McMansions :x


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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 3

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 04 Feb 2017, 23:51:24

pstarr wrote:keep the Communistic One World Government out of our McMansions


Peter---I hate to break it to you but you are the only person posting here who is wealthy enough to live in a McMansion. The rest of us are completely safe. :lol:

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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 3

Unread postby M_B_S » Sat 18 Feb 2017, 02:30:27

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3F6VvuFFQM

Michio Kaku Explains Why He Is No Longer A Climate Change Denier Global Warming Is Real :!: :idea:


Yes the truth is still the truth when you proof it Dr. Kaku

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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 3

Unread postby jedrider » Tue 21 Feb 2017, 17:50:30

Dr. Kaku is certainly very smart AND knowledgeable at the same time (there's a difference, you know).

So, was he a climate skeptic for like 10 minutes? Probably, as he does lean right with his politics.
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 3

Unread postby dohboi » Fri 24 Feb 2017, 14:24:14

Temperatures up to 40 degF (22 degC) above normal today across the eastern U.S..
The warmest February day for 100+ years (since records begin).
https://twitter.com/ericholthaus/status ... 1366657024

over a dozen U.S. cities have tied or broken their highest readings EVER IN FEBRUARY! http://coolwx.com/record/
https://twitter.com/accu_jesse/status/8 ... 2790893568

Today is the warmest February day in at least 145 years in Boston—since official recordkeeping began.
71°F [21.7°C] is the average Boston high on JUNE 1ST
https://twitter.com/ericholthaus/status ... 6023905280

NWS Boston: [OFFICIAL] It's over! The record for #Boston has been broken. ALL-TIME warmest temperature recorded for the month of February!
https://twitter.com/nwsboston/status/835179533124894720


Based on plant response, Spring arrived ~ 20 days earlier this year for much of the southern continental US


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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 3

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 24 Feb 2017, 14:36:14

D, in my house in NY ,I have had to put on the AC, it is so warm. It is crazy.
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 3

Unread postby dohboi » Fri 24 Feb 2017, 14:39:58

Wow!
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 3

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Fri 24 Feb 2017, 14:41:09

Idiots.

The Earth is 4,543,000,000 years old, approximately.

Intelligent primates have been around the last 6,000,000 years.

Modern humans have been around for 200,000 years.

Temperature measurements have been made and recorded around the world by humans since 1850, a period of 167 years.

Yesterday's "record" is the warmest February in Boston since 1850. Certainly not "the warmest ever", simply the warmest in the last
0.000000000036736% of the planet's time where we have recorded temperatures.

Yawn.
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 3

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 24 Feb 2017, 14:50:31

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense ... exist.html
Is this also natural variation Kaiser. In our lifetimes we have witnessed the Arctic sea go from stably frozen to thawing and now at the point of becoming ice-free for a period of time. Where is the idiocy?
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 3

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Fri 24 Feb 2017, 15:14:35

The world has been warming since the last Glacial period. The ice peaked about 20,000 years ago, when the average temperature was 3.8 degrees C colder than today. 120,000 years ago, at the last Climatic Optimum, the world averaged 1. 5 degrees C warmer than it is today. In response to the normal orbital forcings, we expect natural warming for another 1200 to 12,000 years, and another Climatic Optimum temperature between those two bounds.

When the Climatic Optimum between Glacials is reached, these are the normal expectations:

1) A global temperature peak at least 1.5 to 2.5 degrees warmer than today, based on the last 262 Glacials recorded in the fossil records.

2) The absence of ice at the poles, and the emergence of the Antarctic continent as a sub-temperate landmass with vegetation.

3) Higher sea levels as discussed at length in this Forum.

4) Generally warmer temperatures, higher levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide as a result, enhanced plant growth on the remaining land masses.

5) The above changes will collectively kickstart yet another cooling period, and the glacial land masses will again advance across all the continents. Our species is likely to evolve some more as it did in the last Glacial, when we killed/interbred/outcompeted/ate the Neanderthals and the Denisovans.

That's the normal and even boring expectations. The idiocy is entirely in believing that the activities of mankind have any appreciable or significant impact on these entirely normal temperature variations.
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 3

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 24 Feb 2017, 15:57:51

That's the normal and even boring expectations. The idiocy is entirely in believing that the activities of mankind have any appreciable or significant impact on these entirely normal temperature variations.

Yet The last time that the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere was this high 400 ppm was over 3 million years ago in the mid-Pliocene. Or do you mistrust the science regarding GHG?
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 3

Unread postby dohboi » Fri 24 Feb 2017, 16:01:53

Hi onlooker (i'm ignoring trolls who think they're smarter than 99% of climate scientists)

We have had a very warm winter for here in Minnesota. Recently temps in the 60s when normal is in the 20s and often much colder.
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