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Temperature beyond human habitability?

How much more temperature increase in celsius can we handle before our extinction becomes likely?

3
3
10%
4
2
6%
5
4
13%
6
6
19%
7
1
3%
8
2
6%
9
0
No votes
10
1
3%
11
2
6%
12
0
No votes
13
0
No votes
14
1
3%
15
9
29%
 
Total votes : 31

Re: Temperature beyond human habitability?

Unread postby kiwichick » Sat 07 Jan 2017, 05:01:16

its not just the temperature....CO2 itself will cause increasing health problems as the levels increase.......we now outside the range of CO2 levels ever experienced by our species

at less than 1000ppm CO2 significant effects are already apparent

even at our current levels CO2 could be starting to effect our ability to perform everyday activities .....the common levels of CO2 in cars could affect our driving ability , for example

http://grapevine.com.au/~pbierwirth/co2toxicity.pdf
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Re: Temperature beyond human habitability?

Unread postby onlooker » Sat 07 Jan 2017, 07:33:55

its not just the temperature....CO2 itself will cause increasing health problems as the levels increase.......we now outside the range of CO2 levels ever experienced by our species

That is true Kiwi, global warming can potentially bring a host of health problems. However, that all pales in comparison to what appears to have been set up by these very high CO2 levels and that is runaway global warming ushering in a mass extinction event.
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Re: Temperature beyond human habitability?

Unread postby dohboi » Sat 07 Jan 2017, 13:22:56

vt: "Those people are going to be the first to die off or show up in Germany as refugees."

You can drop the future tense, at least as far as victims of CC go, if not yet 95F wbt's. There are already over a million Syrian refugees in Germany, and about half a million Syrians were killed in Aleppo. Many studies and observers of events there trace at least part of the origins of this destabilization to CC-driven drought in the region.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la ... story.html

Seeing the devastation of climate change in the ruins of Aleppo

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... yrian-war/

Climate Change Hastened Syria's Civil War:

Human-induced drying in many societies can push tensions over a threshold that provokes violent conflict
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Re: Temperature beyond human habitability?

Unread postby kiwichick » Sat 07 Jan 2017, 15:54:58

@ onlooker ..........true .....however the article suggested to me another angle of absurdity around the proposition that increasing CO2 levels are unconditionally good for us and other species .....for example the fallacy of plant fertilization
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Re: Temperature beyond human habitability?

Unread postby careinke » Sat 07 Jan 2017, 15:56:48

Climate Change Hastened Syria's Civil War:


Actually, I think the Obama administration had a much larger role in the destruction of Syria.
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Re: Temperature beyond human habitability?

Unread postby kiwichick » Sat 07 Jan 2017, 16:04:30

@ careinke.....is the war a symptom .....or the cause ??

in otherwords did the war just suddenly erupt ?? .....or where there underlying causes?
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Re: Temperature beyond human habitability?

Unread postby Newfie » Sat 07 Jan 2017, 18:50:31

careinke wrote:
Climate Change Hastened Syria's Civil War:


Actually, I think the Obama administration had a much larger role in the destruction of Syria.


There is no way I can wrap my head around what we are doing in Syria and the region. I don't know it possible to assess how much what factor contributed to the situation, it seems clear both had influence.
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Re: Temperature beyond human habitability?

Unread postby pstarr » Sat 07 Jan 2017, 19:12:42

I said 3. Long before we ever drive temperature that high, peak earth will have likely killed us all.

Incidentally, do any of you GW doomers actually follow the peak oil discussion. If you did, you'd understand that Syria's trouble began around 2011, the Arab Spring. Oil had just hit $147 and the Syrians demonstrated and rioted for food.

Nothing to do with GW.
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Re: Temperature beyond human habitability?

Unread postby careinke » Sun 08 Jan 2017, 00:18:20

kiwichick wrote:@ careinke.....is the war a symptom .....or the cause ??

in otherwords did the war just suddenly erupt ?? .....or where there underlying causes?


I'm pretty sure the US instigated the civil war, which to me seems a lot more horrific than trying to influence an election. Also didn't we hack the communications of other world leaders? How is that different, than possible Russian attacks on the poorly secured DNC files???
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Re: Temperature beyond human habitability?

Unread postby kiwichick » Sun 08 Jan 2017, 00:46:55

@ pstarr.....you need to do some research before you post your nonsense

"lack of freedoms and economic woes " and a "severe drought from 2007-2010 " are stated as causes .....the drought caused as many as 1.5 million people to migrate to the cities ...."Which exacerbated poverty and social unrest "
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/05/s ... 19966.html
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Re: Temperature beyond human habitability?

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 08 Jan 2017, 09:00:04

Nice catch, kc.

N wrote: "...both had influence"

Clearly.
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Re: Temperature beyond human habitability?

Unread postby pstarr » Sun 08 Jan 2017, 14:33:59

dohboi wrote:Nice catch, kc.

N wrote: "...both had influence"

Clearly.

You GW doomers are funny. A little science intrudes into you pity party and you huddle together like lambs. All getting so touchy feely and the like lol
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Re: Temperature beyond human habitability?

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 08 Jan 2017, 18:05:51

careinke wrote:
kiwichick wrote:@ careinke.....is the war a symptom .....or the cause ??

in otherwords did the war just suddenly erupt ?? .....or where there underlying causes?


I'm pretty sure the US instigated the civil war, which to me seems a lot more horrific than trying to influence an election. Also didn't we hack the communications of other world leaders? How is that different, than possible Russian attacks on the poorly secured DNC files???


Yeah, we "hacked" Merkel's cell phone. Germany eventually dropped the investigation saying they could not prove anything. But at the first instant Merkel was good and pissed. I suspect that the investigation was just white wash. God knows what else we've done we don't know about. Maybe kill a Chilean leader? How many times we try to kill Castro? Bay of Pigs? Much more recent stuff. It's all Short Attention Span Theater.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_ ... war_crimes

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oversea ... ted_States
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Re: Temperature beyond human habitability?

Unread postby sparky » Sat 14 Jan 2017, 07:25:05

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While many believe war have deep causes , the reality is that they just happen .
Their frequency is purely random and follows the same time probability as earthquake or meteorites
IE the damage done by the big ones are equal as the cumulative damage of all the small ones for the same time period

search.. lewis fry Richardson "Statistic of deadly quarrels"
http://www.americanscientist.org/issues ... y-quarrels
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Re: Temperature beyond human habitability?

Unread postby Cog » Sat 14 Jan 2017, 08:16:14

The roots of the war in Syria go back to a minority Shia Alawite ruling class run by Assad dominating and oppressing the Sunni majority population. That is the spark that got things going during the Arab Spring.

But military support for the fighters came from Saudi Arabia and Qatar, who wanted to build a natural gas pipeline across Syria to supply Europe and cut out the Russians. Since Obama wanted to take a poke at Russia and side with the Kingdom, our CIA was given the task to insert our big nose into this mess. So here we are.
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Re: Temperature beyond human habitability?

Unread postby Newfie » Sat 14 Jan 2017, 08:52:43

Sparky,
Thanks, interesting.

Jared Diamond argues the purpose of government is to keep us from killing one another. Not sure how that fits with this data.

Need to back on topic somehow. If we want to continue this thought line I'll start another thread.
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Re: Temperature beyond human habitability?

Unread postby Tanada » Sat 14 Jan 2017, 10:36:05

Cog wrote:The roots of the war in Syria go back to a minority Shia Alawite ruling class run by Assad dominating and oppressing the Sunni majority population. That is the spark that got things going during the Arab Spring.

But military support for the fighters came from Saudi Arabia and Qatar, who wanted to build a natural gas pipeline across Syria to supply Europe and cut out the Russians. Since Obama wanted to take a poke at Russia and side with the Kingdom, our CIA was given the task to insert our big nose into this mess. So here we are.


Don't forget Assad and his father before him were clients of the USSR and its successor Russia for many decades. The relationship has been mutually beneficial from their point of view, the economic benefits to the USSR/Russia of having a naval port in the Mediterranean so that their forces in the Black Sea can not be cut off totally without severe consequences for Turkey is one side, and the income for Syria along with military equipment, training and other support for the Assad regime(s) make it a natural alliance.

When the Arab Spring started in Tunisia Secretary Clinton got the wild idea that the USA should overturn all the Arab Dictatorships on the Mediterranean Coast. The EU gleefully went along with deposing Quadaffi because they wanted better deals on Libyan Oil and they convinced themselves that they could get a great deal from whomever they supported to take over the country in his place. Unfortunately Libya is not a naturally unified country, there are three major and many minor groups who pretty much despise one another much the same as it was in Yugoslavia in the 1990's. As a result instead of getting a unified friendly cheap oil source like they wanted they got a civil strife polyglot mess where oil exports have still not recovered or even approached a stable high production rate. When prices on the world market fell 25 percent in late 4th quarter 2014 and stabilized there in 1st quarter 2015 they pretty much washed their hands of Libya and have left it a festering cesspool ever since.

Along around the Arab Spring 'rebels' were encouraged in Syria like you stated, which under the UN charter is actually an act of war. Then for whatever reason the USA decided to get all excited and start proclaiming Assad must go. Funny story, the President who proclaimed that and the red Line and many other things about Syria is leaving office in 6 days, Assad on the other hand is quite secure barring an assassination, and with the aid of Russia is now rapidly pacifying the portions of his country in rebellion.
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Re: Temperature beyond human habitability?

Unread postby kiwichick » Sat 14 Jan 2017, 11:07:19

@ t ...interesting use of the word "pacifying "....given the assad 's history
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Re: Temperature beyond human habitability?

Unread postby Cog » Sat 14 Jan 2017, 11:21:52

Both Daddy(deceased) and Son Assad are brutes by any measure. Daddy Assad killed thousands when it suited him to put down rebellions in his time. The son is no different. Don't mean the USA needs to involve themselves in the matter. Right now the Russians and Assad are killing Muslims by the thousands. I'm fine with that. I'm also fine with dead Russians and Russia wasting its treasure in Syria.
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Re: Temperature beyond human habitability?

Unread postby Tanada » Sat 14 Jan 2017, 12:05:38

kiwichick wrote:@ t ...interesting use of the word "pacifying "....given the assad 's history


War means Fighting and Fighting means killing. If you can't understand that a civil war is no different than a war of conquest you really have no clue what war is. More Americans were killed during the US Civil War from 1861-1865 than in all other wars combined including the French and Indian War, revolutionary War, War of 1812, Spanish American War, World War I, World War II, Korea, Viet Nam, Grenada, Panama, Gulf War I, the Yugoslavian civil war and the invasions of Iraq and Kuwait.
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