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Re: Tulsi Gabbard: Obama could cause nuclear war with Russia

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Wed 02 Dec 2015, 22:52:28

Bro, Google is your friend. Look up Turdiez, that thing is a house. Turdo is moving from a castle to a f'ing castle. Seriously
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Re: Tulsi Gabbard: Obama could cause nuclear war with Russia

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Thu 03 Dec 2015, 00:09:04

You could hide a herd of Elephants in either of Turdhogan's palaces.
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Re: Tulsi Gabbard: Obama could cause nuclear war with Russia

Unread postby Cog » Thu 03 Dec 2015, 05:58:23

Maybe he invested in Facebook.
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Re: Tulsi Gabbard: Obama could cause nuclear war with Russia

Unread postby ennui2 » Thu 03 Dec 2015, 18:21:47

Cog wrote:So while Sunni muslims live in squalor, Assad lives in luxury.

Got it.


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Re: Tulsi Gabbard: Obama could cause nuclear war with Russia

Unread postby Lore » Thu 03 Dec 2015, 18:26:57

SeaGypsy wrote:You could hide a herd of Elephants in either of Turdhogan's palaces.


Better hurry up, a herd of elephants will be pretty hard to find soon.
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'Doomsday Clock' to stand still amid nuclear tensions

Unread postby dolanbaker » Tue 26 Jan 2016, 15:35:46

I'd almost forgotten about this gem!
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35412454


The so-called Doomsday Clock will remain set at three-minutes-to-midnight amid global perils such as climate change and nuclear proliferation.

The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists (BPA), the group behind the clock, said the standing still is "not good news".

The minute hand on the Doomsday Clock is a metaphor for how vulnerable the world is to catastrophe.

"It remains the closest it has been over the past 20 years," said Rachel Bronson, BPA's executive director.

In addition to nuclear arms and climate change, the group also cited growing cyber threats and an uptick in terrorist attacks in their decision to keep clock unchanged.

Lawrence Krauss, chairman of the BPA's Board of Sponsors said that the Iran nuclear agreement and the Paris climate accord were good news, but said it remained unclear if the Paris agreement would actually reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

He also noted increased tensions between the US and Russia as a sore point.

Last year, the scientists moved the clock up from five-minutes-to-midnight, noting the threat of climate change, the modernisation of nuclear weapons as well as large nuclear arsenals.

At the time, they said the threats were "extraordinary and undeniable threats to the continued existence of humanity".



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'Doomsday Clock' to stand still amid nuclear tensions

Unread postby GHung » Tue 26 Jan 2016, 16:09:41

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35412454

The so-called Doomsday Clock will remain set at three-minutes-to-midnight amid global perils such as climate change and nuclear proliferation.

The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists (BPA), the group behind the clock, said the standing still is "not good news".

The minute hand on the Doomsday Clock is a metaphor for how vulnerable the world is to catastrophe.

"It remains the closest it has been over the past 20 years," said Rachel Bronson, BPA's executive director.

In addition to nuclear arms and climate change, the group also cited growing cyber threats and an uptick in terrorist attacks in their decision to keep clock unchanged.

Lawrence Krauss, chairman of the BPA's Board of Sponsors said that the Iran nuclear agreement and the Paris climate accord were good news, but said it remained unclear if the Paris agreement would actually reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

He also noted increased tensions between the US and Russia as a sore point.

Last year, the scientists moved the clock up from five-minutes-to-midnight, noting the threat of climate change, the modernisation of nuclear weapons as well as large nuclear arsenals.

At the time, they said the threats were "extraordinary and undeniable threats to the continued existence of humanity".

The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists was founded at the University of Chicago in 1945 by a group of scientists who helped develop the first atomic weapons. Their metaphorical clock was created two years later.

Today, the group includes physicists and environmental scientists from around the world, who decide whether to adjust the clock in consultation with the group's Board of Sponsors - which includes 17 Nobel laureates.

The closest the clock has come to midnight was in 1953, when it was moved to two minutes from the apocalyptic midnight, following hydrogen bomb tests by the US and Russia.
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Re: 'Doomsday Clock' to stand still amid nuclear tensions

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 26 Jan 2016, 22:23:46

Duplicate threads merged.
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Re: 'Doomsday Clock' to stand still amid nuclear tensions

Unread postby GregT » Thu 28 Jan 2016, 02:57:09

dolanbaker wrote:There are still some real doomers out there.


We all need to stop listening to those 'scientific' people, and pay more attention to the eCONomists. Infinite exponential growth in a finite environment is not only possible, it is profitable. We'll just substitute the planet Earth for some other planet several light years away, and we'll travel there next week on dilithium crystals that we harvest from Uranus. Our species is awesome like that.
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Obama Threatens Putin with Nuclear War

Unread postby dissident » Sat 15 Oct 2016, 09:34:08

http://russia-insider.com/en/obama-thre ... ar/ri17032

Interviewer Chuck Todd had asked him, “Why would he [Obama] send a message out to Putin?” Biden pursed his lips, paused, and said, with a grim look on his face, “We sent him the message.” Of course that didn’t answer Todd’s question, which was “Why?" Biden and Todd both remained silent for another tense moment. Then, Biden picked up again: “We have the capacity to do it, and, uh,” and Todd interrupted him there with “He’ll know it?” Biden replied: “He’ll know it, and it’ll be at a time of our choosing, and under circumstances that have the greatest impact. Uh, the capacity to do, to fundamentally alter the election, is not what people think; and, uh, I tell you what: to the extent that they do [‘do’ presumably meaning: fundamentally alter the election], we will be proportionate in what we do. And, uh,” Todd again interrupted his interviewee, and said, “So, a message is going to be sent. Will the public know?” Biden replied, “Hope not.”


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Re: Obama Threatens Putin with Nuclear War

Unread postby vox_mundi » Sat 15 Oct 2016, 09:47:46

dissident wrote:http://russia-insider.com/en/obama-threatens-putin-nuclear-war/ri17032

Interviewer Chuck Todd had asked him, “Why would he [Obama] send a message out to Putin?” Biden pursed his lips, paused, and said, with a grim look on his face, “We sent him the message.” Of course that didn’t answer Todd’s question, which was “Why?" Biden and Todd both remained silent for another tense moment. Then, Biden picked up again: “We have the capacity to do it, and, uh,” and Todd interrupted him there with “He’ll know it?” Biden replied: “He’ll know it, and it’ll be at a time of our choosing, and under circumstances that have the greatest impact. Uh, the capacity to do, to fundamentally alter the election, is not what people think; and, uh, I tell you what: to the extent that they do [‘do’ presumably meaning: fundamentally alter the election], we will be proportionate in what we do. And, uh,” Todd again interrupted his interviewee, and said, “So, a message is going to be sent. Will the public know?” Biden replied, “Hope not.”


The lunatics in the White House really believe that they have nuclear primacy. This is what the delusion about being exceptional gets you. Delusions of grandeur and invincibility. The broken record of western history and its perpetual drang nach osten.

You will get yours and you will never recover.


The interview was about cyberwar - not nuclear war

vox_mundi wrote: CIA Prepping for Possible Cyber Strike Against Russia

The Obama administration is contemplating an unprecedented cyber covert action against Russia in retaliation for alleged Russian interference in the American presidential election, U.S. intelligence officials told NBC News.

Current and former officials with direct knowledge of the situation say the CIA has been asked to deliver options to the White House for a wide-ranging "clandestine" cyber operation designed to harass and "embarrass" the Kremlin leadership.

The sources did not elaborate on the exact measures the CIA was considering, but said the agency had already begun opening cyber doors, selecting targets and making other preparations for an operation. Former intelligence officers told NBC News that the agency had gathered reams of documents that could expose unsavory tactics by Russian President Vladimir Putin.

When asked if the American public will know a message was sent, the vice president replied, "Hope not."

Retired Admiral James Stavridis told NBC News' Cynthia McFadden that the U.S. should attack Russia's ability to censor its internal internet traffic and expose the financial dealings of President Vladimir Putin and his associates.
"It's well known that there's great deal of offshore money moved outside of Russia from oligarchs," he said. "It would be very embarrassing if that was revealed, and that would be a proportional response to what we've seen" in Russia's alleged hacks and leaks targeting U.S. public opinion.

"We've always hesitated to use a lot of stuff we've had, but that's a political decision," one former officer said. "If someone has decided, `We've had enough of the Russians,' there is a lot we can do. Step one is to remind them that two can play at this game and we have a lot of stuff. Step two, if you are looking to mess with their networks, we can do that, but then the issue becomes, they can do worse things to us in other places."
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Re: Obama Threatens Putin with Nuclear War

Unread postby Tanada » Sat 15 Oct 2016, 09:50:06

These foolish decisions make me very nervous.

Russia is not Iraq, with a third world military and no ability to defend itself in depth. Russia has thousands of nuclear devices at its disposal that can be launched in reprisal of any attack.

Just having three 'satellites' orbiting over the USA go off EMP fashion would totally destroy our financial system in a blink of an eye without directly killing any civilians.

Nuclear war is a game nobody wins and everybody loses.
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Re: Obama Threatens Putin with Nuclear War

Unread postby Ibon » Sat 15 Oct 2016, 09:54:59

Tanada wrote:Nuclear war is a game nobody wins and everybody loses.


Maybe a county like Uruguay would win. A country far away from geopolitical conflict, somewhat self sufficient. The citizens would feel so grateful of their privileged position in the aftermaths of such an event that it would bind the country together with a sense of unity. Just saying.
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Re: Obama Threatens Putin with Nuclear War

Unread postby AgentR11 » Sat 15 Oct 2016, 10:07:59

Diss, they aren't talking about a military engagement; they're talking about hacking each other; which is kinda stupid; we're hacking the Russians as hard as we possibly can, and Russians are doing exactly the same thing, RIGHT NOW. Its fine.

They're only talking about it openly because hacking became publicly entangled in the US election, so they have to make like they're about to pull off some great retaliatory move. When in fact, they'll just keep doing what they've already been doing for years; and Russia will do the same.

Also, probably shouldn't think of these things as specifically government ordered, but instead, think of them as tolerated activity of black hats within the US and Russia, encouraged to target each's adversary.

At most, a US team will be encouraged to do something that makes a splashy effect visible to Western press... (and likely mocked in Russian in Russia).
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Re: Obama Threatens Putin with Nuclear War

Unread postby jesus_of_suburbia » Sat 15 Oct 2016, 10:08:39

The video won't play for me. Does Biden specifically mention nuclear war? Reading the quotes transcribed in the article, I didn't see any explicit threats of nuclear war. I know there's been a lot of shit talk regarding a cyber attack on Russia, so I'm assuming that's what Biden is referring to.

Either way, can our government just drop this already? We are looking dumber by the day. If we really want to push someone around, how about a non-nuclear power? Go slap around that guy in the Philippines if you really need a fix.

I really hope this is the typical tough guy posturing the Democrats do before elections. They are so scared of being called weak by the Republicans. This puffed chest facade is just flat out embarrassing.
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Re: Obama Threatens Putin with Nuclear War

Unread postby dissident » Sat 15 Oct 2016, 16:10:31

vox_mundi wrote:
The interview was about cyberwar - not nuclear war



It is not for the yapper to decide what is the interpretation of ambiguous threats. It is for the audience to decide. If Biden was worried about clarity he would have used different language. He used ambiguous language on purpose since threatening cyber war is for morons and a nice "plausible deniability" cover.

BTW, "cyber war" is a term for retards. Shutting down access to a few internet hubs and launching DOS attacks is really a joke and not something to elevate to WWIII dialogue.

Any security organization with a clue would have dealt with STUXNET type firmware sabotage a long time ago. So the notion that Obama will be able to shut down power plants in Russia is ludicrous. Same goes the other way around.
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Re: Obama Threatens Putin with Nuclear War

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 15 Oct 2016, 18:00:02

vox_mundi wrote:cyberwar - not nuclear war



Why is Obama threatening Russia at all? Don't forget, Obama is also threatening to intervene military in Syria on the side of the Jihadis in Aleppo---this would bring him into military conflict with Russia, which is backing the government of Syria.

Obama is acting like an egomaniac---no one appointed him king of the world with the right to boss around every other country on the planet. Has Obama consulted with president-to-be Hillary on this, or is he just trying to screw things up as much as he can before he leaves office.....
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Re: Obama Threatens Putin with Nuclear War

Unread postby BahamasEd » Sat 15 Oct 2016, 20:35:32

a few minor points.

1. cyberwar, one government attacking another government is an act of war and the one attacked would be legally able to reply with real war.
2. The DNC is not part of the U.S. government.
3. Someone needs to explain what "covert action" means to Biden.
4. and the question no one is asking, Why are the DNC, and anyone else, using a email system that is hackable?
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Re: 'Doomsday Clock' to stand still amid nuclear tensions

Unread postby Tanada » Thu 27 Oct 2016, 11:35:03

With all the new talk about nuclear war in the conspiracy realms of the internet has the clock even moved a minute?
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Re: 'Doomsday Clock' to stand still amid nuclear tensions

Unread postby Subjectivist » Thu 27 Oct 2016, 15:13:07

Timeline
IT IS STILL 3 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT
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3 minutes to midnight
2016: "Last year, the Science and Security Board moved the Doomsday Clock forward to three minutes to midnight, noting: 'The probability of global catastrophe is very high, and the actions needed to reduce the risks of disaster must be taken very soon.' That probability has not been reduced. The Clock ticks. Global danger looms. Wise leaders should act—immediately." See the full statement from the Science and Security Board on the 2016 time of the Doomsday Clock

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