[onlooker]

okay I feel it is time to broach this subject. I know we have serious minded people on this site and I think I have shown to be serious also. So some may be dismissive of a conspiracy type of narrative. I assure everyone who will scoff at this post that information is out there on the Web that paints a pretty convincing picture of the reality of this super secret Cabal. They have been and are currently in power behind the scenes in the shadows. They comprise super wealthy families and institutions such as the Royal family of Great Britain, the Vatican, the Rothchilds and Rockefellers. They control much via banking interests, land holdings and corporations. They have been in power for a very long time. When we speak of the Geo-political situation we simply talk of countries and regions not of this group of super wealthy and powerful people who wield the true power in the background. They say money is power. Well that phrase is true. This loosely tied Cabal is united by the common pursuit of power and a New World Order. It is the inevitable culmination of centuries wielding such power that these people wish for the ultimate power of a One-World government in which they are the rulers. They show disdain and contempt for ordinary people as evidenced by how casually they precipitate and cause wars and recessions to occur. They exhibit an almost psychopathic personality profile. Having it seems insatiable desire for wealth and power. Now for the doubters, I can only say research you may be surprised.

[Pops]

No need to hunt for or make up fantastic theories of secret societies when it is no secret that money is power. Certainly powerful people naturally have similar goals so likely cooperate; staying rich and in power of course are probably high on the list. LOL

Not sure why one world government would be in the interest of the owners if they are already in charge as it is. And really, if the world had one government, ran by the owners, then they would run the risk of having a united, and large, opposition. Better to keep the riff-raff pitted against each other. (See KJs recent screed about the heathen Chinese
"Every third person on Earth is Chinese and pretty darn few reverence nature"

Much better to just let the local parochials occupy themselves with black helicopter fantasies that keep them neutered and focuses on ammo count rather than have a worldwide movement rise up and occupy the capitol of the world.

[Strummer]

The "normal" state of affairs is feudalism. The only reason why it temporarily transformed into capitalism was the shortage of labour after the Black Death, followed by the discovery of the Americas and subsequent abundance of land and resources, followed by the using of fossil fuels, resulting in even more abundace of resources. Shortage of labour + abundance of resources = capitalism. Now that we are returning to the standard state of abundance of labour (10 billion people) + shortage of resources, we are returning to the standard models of society, either feudalism, serfdom, or some modified forms of those.

[Sixstrings]

Onlooker you can post whatever you want as far as I'm concerned, and you needn't be embarrassed about it.

I actually miss the old "bilderberger" "nwo" conspiracy stuff.

The actual reality of geopolitics is much more disconcerting. I miss the old conspiracy theories. This new stuff involves Russian bombers and tanks and new rising nationalist powers in the world.

There's a "world order" alright, but the reality is that the old world order was something we're comfortable with even if we criticize it -- the "American Way" -- constitutional rights and democracy -- the new world order will be a Chinese world order, backed the UK and Europeans and all our old allies, and China backing Russia too and turning a blind eye to Russian expansion -- meanwhile China bullying the Brits or us because all we do is host the dalai lama or something.

The "illuminati" want to make a lot of money and there's money to be made in Asian growth. The last of the rain forests and the environment, and democracy and human rights, be darned, I guess.

[onlooker]

Pops, one world government because that way no opposition or loose ends from other countries. Just one homogenized government completely controlled by this Cabal, where the security forces will be mostly to control the masses. By the way, some say that they wish to force a huge reduction in world population which will obviously make it easier for them to control "us". Sixstrings thanks for the encouragement. Sadly, I wish this country the US could have lived up to the ideals of democracy and human rights however sometime in the early 1900's, all this promise was forsaken. But guys you know what all this seems a moot point now. This cabal is pathetic if they still think the way they did, what are they going to rule a dead planet haha. Seriously, politics are boring to me at this point, that is why i have been more interested in the Environment forum. We are in the parlance of Chess at endgame time. The planet will be the ultimate authority of our fate. Which is ironic, I think in so much as we have felt that Earth was ours to use and abuse.

[Pops]

This game isn't over until you quit my friend.

[dinopello]

ixnay onway ethay ooselay alktay aboutway ethay ecretsay illuminatiway !

[Sixstrings]

Sixstrings thanks for the encouragement.

You're welcome.

You know -- I'm not a bildergerger NWO conspiracy theorist person, but I have to admit something -- a lot of this "Glenn Beck" stuff turned out true, he turned out right! That caliphate thing. He turned out.. exactly.. right.. and nobody.. else.. saw that coming.

Just makes you go "hmmmm."

Personally I don't mind a "world order" if things just make sense and it's the good guys versus the bad guys and genocides get stopped and democracy is encouraged and all that good stuff.

But if one is against the old "new world order," then realize that a Chinese / Russian / socialist City bankster European new "new world order" is even worse.

I would ask people: do you want the world order that will at least let you protest a little bit, or do you want the world order that is communist and dictatorship and are never going to change.

"World Order" stuff famously started with Woodrow Wilson and his overreach with internationalism (wilsonianism) -- world courts, ceding national sovereignty to a "league of nations." Americans were skeptical of it a hundred years ago, and many still are today.

But at least Wilson didn't want to cede our sovereignty to China.

A lot of people make fun of "illuminati nwo conspiracy theorists," and "wingnut" Republican Ted Nugent gun nuts and such. But really -- these are the only ones that talk about the Constitution and hold the line on national sovereignty, it's the same now as it was a hundred years ago with Wilson and the league of nations.

Republican conservative principles are about more local government and limiting government in Washington. So, government in Brussels is further removed from that. And if we're now headed to government in Beijing -- hell no, no way, that's my opinion anyhow.

If you're concerned about too much government control, and too much FOREIGN government control, then really that is a valid reason to just vote Republican. A Bush would do business with China, yeah, but would never ever sell our sovereignty and independence out from under us.

Oh and another thing -- all this world government control they want, because of "climate change," notice how all that goes out the window and they all fall all over themselves to join the China bank. As if the Chinese are going to protect the environment, good grief.

That's why I've always been skeptical of all the climate change big government internationalist thing, it has always seemed to me that the powers that be use green issues just as a means to some other end.

[Rod_Cloutier]

Oh and another thing -- all this world government control they want, because of "climate change,"

I'm someone who has been through the ropes in the 'conspiracy theory' culture. This is the main point.

What would it mean to have absolute power and control over a dead planet and a dying civilization?

Similar train of thought by Jesus 2 thousand years ago.

"What will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul?" -|Matthew 16:26

[zoidberg]

Its nice to think theres someone in charge, some smart long term planning.but there isn't. The rich and powerful aren't any smarter than their housekeepers and their plans are entirely related to keeping the status quo.

I 've sincerely looked and have been disappointed to find nothing of substance to show there's a serious nwo cabal trying to organize the world.

[GHung]

Whatever power and control they (my think they) have is entirely dependent on industrial age systems, and is as fragile as those systems. Their supposed control is declining, one failed state at a time.

[davep]

I'm not a bildergerger NWO conspiracy theorist person

I'm not quite sure what that means. The Bilderberger group is real, they meet in secret and they plan geostrategic policy. It's not a conspiracy, it's just a brazen unaccountable strategy meeting for the Western elites.

The Bank for International Settlements is similar for the financial elites. The heads of the central banks all meet every few months in Basel in meetings where no minutes are taken and there is no possibility of us knowing what they were talking about. I'm sure they have our interests at heart and aren't just there for enriching their clique, but it's hard to tell when their deliberations are so secretive.

[radon1]

Even if there is some secret cabal in place, why does this matter? What is exactly the subject to discuss?

[onlooker]

well radon, what does any of these subjects really matter in the here and now. We just wish to discuss any subjects that we believe are interesting. I do find the subject of the Cabal interesting in that it shows a underside or in the shadow type of dynamic which some people have no idea exists and which in fact has been a great influence in human affairs over time.

[davep]

Even if there is some secret cabal in place, why does this matter? What is exactly the subject to discuss?

"The usurpation of democracy by shadowy global elites" springs to mind.

[Lore]

Who exactly are these shadowy global elites? I need names, not boogiemen.

[radon1]

"The usurpation of democracy by shadowy global elites" springs to mind.

An overpaid overconsuming waste of space with voting powers, such as 6strings, looks far more dangerous than some shadowy hardworking bankster.

[davep]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group some more info http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/29/bilderberg-60-inside-worlds-most-secretive-conference

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_for_International_Settlements some more info http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-13/bank-international-settlements-backdoor-betrayal

[onlooker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLlwpZQrQUU

[Lore]

Well, it looks like these guys have benn able to put a name to who the illuminati are.

http://youtu.be/03_Tby_ICCw