[Tanada]

Third attack in four days by 'lone wolf' recent Muslim converts in North America targeting uniformed military/police personnel. Hopefully this is the last, but I wouldn't count on it.

- A hatchet-wielding attacker charged a group of New York City police officers posing for a photograph on Thursday, wounded two, one critically, before the assailant was shot dead, police said.

The officers were on foot patrol when they were asked by a freelance photographer to pose for a picture on a Queens street at about 2 p.m., a New York Police Department spokesman said.

Suddenly a man carrying a hatchet charged the officers, swinging it and striking one officer in the right arm and then swinging it again and striking a second officer in the head, the spokesman said.

The remaining two officers fired their weapons at the man, hitting him. The suspect, whose identity was not yet confirmed but who was said to be approximately 32 years old, was pronounced dead at the scene.

A 29-year-old female bystander was struck by a stray bullet. She underwent surgery and was recovering at the hospital, the spokesman said.

Both officers were being treated at Jamaica Hospital, with the 25-year-old officer who was hit in the head in a critical but stable condition after undergoing surgery, police said. The other officer, who is 24 years old, was in stable condition, the spokesman said.

"At this point, no known motive for this attack has been established," Police Commissioner William Bratton told a press conference.

Police declined to comment on media reports that the attack was tied to "terrorism" and that an internal memo urged officers to maintain a heightened level of awareness in the wake of recent attacks in Canada.

All four officers involved in the New York City incident graduated on July 8 from the city Police Academy.

(Reporting by Barbara Goldberg; Editing by Sandra Maler)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/ ... RG20141024

[Herr Meier]

Hopefully this is the last, but I wouldn't count on it.

Importing incompatible 3rd world cultures by the truckload has all kinds of unintended consequences. The West is in the process of finding out.

[GHung]

A predictable artifact of the hopelessness of many of today's youth; in part cultural, though I think many sense 'peak everything' whether or not they're fully aware of our overall predicament. Those who've discovered that they're late to the party are often unhappy about it. When all we have to offer them for validation is facebook and mediocre, overpriced educations that prepare them only to be debtor-participants in the great comedy/tragedy of our time, their reaction is predictable if not sanctionable; acting out the anger, frustrations and cluelessness of their elders. Our society (western society anyway) hasn't given them the tools they needed to cope with the hopelessness of overshoot.

Is that all there is?
Is that all there is?
If that's all there is my friend,
Then lets keep fighting.
We'll break out the axe and have a ball,
If that's all
There is............

[appologies to Patti Page]

Too bad these incidents will, IMO, create a great backlash against peaceful mainstream Muslims. Too bad mainstream Muslims don't have more influence over the extreme minorities in their midst. Too bad most of these kids are 'recent converts'. Too bad the Imperial Forces That Be saw fit to interfere with so many cultures, so many lives, while the rest of us partied, thinking we're somehow special; immune to the consequences of maintaining our lifestyles. So it goes...

[dinopello]

Hopefully this is the last, but I wouldn't count on it.

Importing incompatible 3rd world cultures by the truckload has all kinds of unintended consequences. The West is in the process of finding out.

I believe most of these will be borne out to be deranged people with an internet connection. Just as when Jared Lee Loughner shot Congresswoman Giffords and others - he was going to do something crazy awful in his life and happened to grasp onto the political rhetoric as his trigger.

The thing that has changed is the internet. You no longer have to be physically present to form a cult or brainwash people and you can reach as many deranged people in the world as you want. In many cases, the cultist don't even need to seek people out. Like the porn has been getting more prevalent and extreme on the internet, you just need to put sick stuff out there and the deranged will seek it out.

[Paulo1]

Ghung and Dino,

Very well said. Dino, I think what the new communication venues do is speed everything up and intensify. Like cooking in a micro-wave oven. Stir in some propaganda, consumer advertsing, hollow values, and we have Ghung's post.

What I would like to see in western countries is an immediate loss of citizenship if someone travels to fight for a group like ISIS, in other words fight for a delcared enemy. Go, but you can never ever come home. This goes for the three school girls from Colo. Maybe their parents will be better informed as to their actions if there are actually consequences. Kids make mistakes. Adults make mistakes. Responsibility is living and accepting resulting consequences.

As for Hatchet man, and the canadian versions, I am wondering if there is a real Devils Island out there as in 'Pappillon'? No expensive Guantanamo operation, just an island in the middle of nowhere, impossible to escape from, patrol any access with a sub and sink any fool who might approach (good training and consequences) and drop supplies in once a month. Give them tools and food. Even hatchets. Have at it.

Paulo

[efarmer]

Before the Internet, a malcontent person or petty criminal would often try to find a gang or local group of bad asses to identify with to attain some cred and self worth via association. Now the net allows them to find the most ruthless and blood thirsty dogs on the planet and befriend them on Facebook or tweet with them on Twitter. Prayers and good intentions to the NYPD and all who wear the uniforms to protect and defend a society based on law and decency. Yes I know there are faults in that realm, but it is a million miles closer to justice than chaos in a pickup truck full of gun toters.

[dolanbaker]

Lone wolf attacks, often carried out by loners, are the hardest thing to protect the general population from.
In today's high speed high resolution news media saturated world, it's easy to see how someone could "latch on " to an idea and carry out an attack in total isolation.

If they're smart enough to have a plan to "melt" into the background after carrying out the attack, they have a very good chance of getting away with it.

[GHung]

Deputy Barnes; reported as intentionally misquoting another member of this forum. I sincerely object to you attributing racist quotes to me or my moniker. It does damage that can't be undone.

[Deputy Barnes]

Lone wolf attacks, often carried out by loners, are the hardest thing to protect the general population from.
In today's high speed high resolution news media saturated world, it's easy to see how someone could "latch on " to an idea and carry out an attack in total isolation.

If they're smart enough to have a plan to "melt" into the background after carrying out the attack, they have a very good chance of getting away with it.

It's pretty easy for criminals to "melt" into the festering "melting pot" that is the modern American city.

[SeaGypsy]

Lone wolf attacks, often carried out by loners, are the hardest thing to protect the general population from.
In today's high speed high resolution news media saturated world, it's easy to see how someone could "latch on " to an idea and carry out an attack in total isolation.

If they're smart enough to have a plan to "melt" into the background after carrying out the attack, they have a very good chance of getting away with it.

Obviously Dolan you have yet to grasp the fact these attacks are being carried out by people who not only don't care if they get caught, they actually want to be killed in direct action (77 virgins & whatnot awaits).

I have been studying these guys since 6 weeks before 9/11 (21st century jihadis), I have been calling them a very serious problem here since around when the US started direct support to those fighting Assad. A couple of weeks back we had 6 strings effectively declaring this stuff to be a non-American issue. You still think so 6?


Though I doubt anyone has done a full thesis on the emergence of the Islamic State & global terrorist enterprise we now encounter, I believe we are seeing the first massive retrograde social action directly consequential to peak oil. Just as peak oil is a global problem, so too is Islamic extremism. Even more consequential is what happens when the enemies of IS worldwide get frustrated to the point of taking matters into their own hands? What happens to 'mainstream peaceful Muslims' as distrust builds to paranoia, as the ability of the state to counter a vicious enemy with absolute resolve to die proves less than adequate?

Edit to add, my bet would be that the biggest desire of the most extreme elements of this movement would be to ensure the spread of Ebola to the west, ASAP. Sources I watch have stated this to be on IS agenda since the formation of Obamas new coalition. Extremely dangerous times we are living in.

[dolanbaker]

Lone wolf attacks, often carried out by loners, are the hardest thing to protect the general population from.
In today's high speed high resolution news media saturated world, it's easy to see how someone could "latch on " to an idea and carry out an attack in total isolation.

If they're smart enough to have a plan to "melt" into the background after carrying out the attack, they have a very good chance of getting away with it.

Obviously Dolan you have yet to grasp the fact these attacks are being carried out by people who not only don't care if they get caught, they actually want to be killed in direct action (77 virgins & whatnot awaits).

I have been studying these guys since 6 weeks before 9/11 (21st century jihadis), I have been calling them a very serious problem here since around when the US started direct support to those fighting Assad. A couple of weeks back we had 6 strings effectively declaring this stuff to be a non-American issue. You still think so 6?

Though I doubt anyone has done a full thesis on the emergence of the Islamic State & global terrorist enterprise we now encounter, I believe we are seeing the first massive retrograde social action directly consequential to peak oil. Just as peak oil is a global problem, so too is Islamic extremism. Even more consequential is what happens when the enemies of IS worldwide get frustrated to the point of taking matters into their own hands? What happens to 'mainstream peaceful Muslims' as distrust builds to paranoia, as the ability of the state to counter a vicious enemy with absolute resolve to die proves less than adequate?

I am more than aware of the desire of some to be "martyred" as there was a recent incident where two men killed an off duty soldier in London and waited for the police to come and shoot them! But it was London and not the US, so they were arrested and are now in jail for a long time!

The point I was making is that some of these "lone wolves" are not as radical as they think that they are, they want to be around after the action.

[SeaGypsy]

Sure, I think we will see an unforetold spectrum of attacks & attackers. Perhaps on of the greatest paradoxes in this topic is in the supposed weakness/ impotence of these attackers, versus how much damage they can actually do over a sustained period. We are just seeing the very beginning of something which is going to become a bigger and bigger problem.

[vtsnowedin]

Sure, I think we will see an unforetold spectrum of attacks & attackers. Perhaps on of the greatest paradoxes in this topic is in the supposed weakness/ impotence of these attackers, versus how much damage they can actually do over a sustained period. We are just seeing the very beginning of something which is going to become a bigger and bigger problem.

We will find a way to make it not worth their while to pursue these attacks. Extreme persecution of all their family members being the most likely step.

[Deputy Barnes]

Sure, I think we will see an unforetold spectrum of attacks & attackers. Perhaps on of the greatest paradoxes in this topic is in the supposed weakness/ impotence of these attackers, versus how much damage they can actually do over a sustained period. We are just seeing the very beginning of something which is going to become a bigger and bigger problem.

We will find a way to make it not worth their while to pursue these attacks. Extreme persecution of all their family members being the most likely step.

An interesting approach to that "extreme persecution" solution:

huffpost.com/uk/entry/5612693

[dolanbaker]

Sure, I think we will see an unforetold spectrum of attacks & attackers. Perhaps on of the greatest paradoxes in this topic is in the supposed weakness/ impotence of these attackers, versus how much damage they can actually do over a sustained period. We are just seeing the very beginning of something which is going to become a bigger and bigger problem.

We will find a way to make it not worth their while to pursue these attacks. Extreme persecution of all their family members being the most likely step.

Racism against the entire community of the perpetrator you mean, could risk a major backlash if the community is large enough. Many places in the world have enough racial tensions without adding to it.

Unless you mean internment!

[vtsnowedin]

I expect that this will bring both racial and religious tensions to head and some very uncivilized actions will be both bandied about and in some cases enacted. Not saying I am for such action just projecting that such draconian actions will be brought to bare before these radical idiots can be turned away from their present course.
If you have a more humane yet effective plan of action I and every one else here would like to hear it.

[SeaGypsy]

If you care to note the kind of regimes it has taken to keep the root source of extremism at bay, how much opposed to these forms of government western democracies have become post enlightenment, the fact that it takes a draconian solution to beat a draconian enemy/ the longer the PC westerners hold sway, the more draconian solution likely to be required to beat down this enemy. In other words those western moderates desperate to avoid specific targeting of Islam, could in the long run be seen as the worst enemies of moderate Muslims. Personally I believe it is moderate Muslims who have both responsibility & ability at all, to undermine extremism within their communities. If these communities fail to take responsible action, keep crying scapegoat, resentment & distrust can only grow.

In the call for relatively moderate yet perhaps effective policy, I would support bugging every mosque & associated institution, followed by forced closure of said institution in the event of radical action by its members, with onus of proof reversed to the institution to show it in no way could be construed to have condoned such action.

[Shaved Monkey]

The growth of Zombies is as much to do about PO and end of empire and the death of capitalism as it is to do with religion.
The rich dont riot.

Give them a job: how Denmark deals with returned Islamist fighters.

But in Denmark, a country that has spawned more foreign fighters per capita than almost anywhere else, the port city of Aarhus is taking a novel approach by rolling out a welcome mat.

In Denmark, not one returned fighter has been locked up. Instead, taking the view that discrimination at home is as criminal as Islamic State recruiting, officials here are providing free psychological counselling while finding returnees jobs and spots in schools and universities.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/give-them-a ... z3H7fPBVVN




Problem is its hard to give them a job when there are no jobs.

[SeaGypsy]

There is a serious radical threat within Denmark. The flag is regularly burned in the street by Muslims & the government continues its appeasement strategy, until it doesn't.

[Sixstrings]

Connecticut woman says a crazy naked man raped her pit bull in the yard and he said that "ISIS sent him."

She first threw a citronella candle at him.

Then she got her gun and fired it in the dirt but he still wouldn't leave.

Rather amazing story, apparently the dude is bonkers. He's been charged with "animal cruelty," same charge as the Serbian in New Jersey that hunted coons and squirrels. (my point being, a crazy loon raping a dog is animal cruelty and hunting coons and squirrels is just being "country" -- but that's another thread. The sex assault charge though will nail him, and really he should have been charged with some kind of home invasion with violent threats, maybe they'll add some more charges on or something.)

Naked Man Accused Of Raping Pit Bull In Neighbor’s Yard, Says ISIS Sent Him

WATERBURY, Conn. (CBS Connecticut) — A naked man is accused of raping a pit bull in his neighbor’s yard.
Alice Woodruff told WTNH-TV that she confronted her neighbor at gunpoint while he was performing sex acts on her rescue pit bull that is kept on an 800-pound tow chain in her backyard.

“I thought my dog had killed somebody because I saw a man underneath her,” Woodruff explained to WTNH. “I started to scream. I had a citronella candle and I threw it at him, screaming ‘get off my dog, you have to get out of here.’ He said, ‘No, today is the day we are going to spend the rest of our lives together.’”

Woodruff said the man appeared mentally ill as he was telling her that the terror group ISIS sent him.
“He pranced through the yard naked, yelling ‘this is our day and you have to prosper in it,’” Woodruff told WTNH. “’ISIS sent me,’ and I was thinking, ‘Did something like this just land in my backyard?’

I ran in, got my gun out of the bedroom and realized as usual the ammunition is in my car locked in my glove box. I showed him the clip went in, but I always kept the gun at my side while I was talking to him. He kept saying this is the plan, that we were going to die today in a massacre. He didn’t seem to care that I had the gun, and I kept it down. Then I gave him a warning and shot the gun to the right into the dirt.”
She was concerned that her neighbor was going to set off a bomb.

“He put his arms out and started walking toward me, telling me to kill him, but to know that as soon as I kill him that we were going to die,” Woodruff told WTNH. “Honestly, the whole time I thought there was a bomb or gun and he was going to take it out and do a massacre.”

The Waterbury Police Department is investigating the incident. Authorities plan to charge him with cruelty to an animal, sexual assault and breach of peace.

The man is currently hospitalized.
http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2014/10/27/naked-man-accused-of-raping-pit-bull-in-neighbors-yard-says-isis-sent-him/