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1-megawatt cold fusion power plant available

Unread postby vision-master » Wed 27 Nov 2013, 09:47:17

1-megawatt cold fusion power plant now available – yours for just $1.5 million

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Believe it or not, the first cold fusion power plant is now available to pre-order. The E-Cat 1MW Plant, which comes in a standard shipping container, can produce one megawatt of thermal energy, using low-energy nuclear reactions (LENR) — a process, often known as cold fusion, that fuses nickel and hydrogen into copper, producing energy 100,000 times more efficiently than combustion. It sounds like E-Cat is now taking orders for delivery in early 2014, priced fairly reasonably at $1.5 million.

Despite the rudimentary setup, though, cold fusion still has the massive power and energy density intrinsic to atomic fusion — earlier this year, when Rossi finally allowed some independent scientists to take a look at his cold fusion tech, a prototype E-Cat device had around 10,000 times the energy density and 1,000 times the power density of gasoline.

Despite producing 1MW of power, the plant requires a constant 200 kilowatts of input power — presumably to sustain the reaction. The spec sheet also says that the fuel (specially treated nickel and hydrogen gas) needs to be recharged every two years. One of the science community’ biggest sticking points about Rossi’s cold fusion devices is that he hasn’t proven that his LENR is self-sustaining. Despite a huge amount of output energy, the device still needs to be connected to the mains.


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Re: 1-megawatt cold fusion power plant available

Unread postby KingM » Wed 27 Nov 2013, 10:44:48

So many things about this raise suspicions. First of all, if this were possible, wouldn't this be huge news everywhere? Also, the continual stream of 200 kilowatts is weird. Why can you use some of the output to keep it running? Doesn't make any sense.
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Re: 1-megawatt cold fusion power plant available

Unread postby vision-master » Wed 27 Nov 2013, 10:47:35

KingM wrote:So many things about this raise suspicions. First of all, if this were possible, wouldn't this be huge news everywhere? Also, the continual stream of 200 kilowatts is weird. Why can you use some of the output to keep it running? Doesn't make any sense.


Doesn't make any sense bc we the sheeple are only told 'what we need to know'.
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Re: 1-megawatt cold fusion power plant available

Unread postby Ron Patterson » Wed 27 Nov 2013, 10:56:00

You left out the most important paragraph:
The good news is that, when E-Cat starts shipping its 1MW Plants, and third-party scientists can freely poke around, we will finally know if Rossi has created cold fusion — or if it’s just pseudoscientific snake oil.


And notice it is available for "pre order", meaning you do not get it until sometime later, likely never. And you, *The Mark", would probably have put most of the 1.5 million up front. Rossi would have the money and you would have nothing except snake oil.

*"The Mark" is the sucker in confidence games.
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Re: 1-megawatt cold fusion power plant available

Unread postby KingM » Wed 27 Nov 2013, 10:58:20

Ah, so it's a conspiracy. That explains a lot. ;)
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Re: 1-megawatt cold fusion power plant available

Unread postby KingM » Wed 27 Nov 2013, 11:01:47

Ron Patterson wrote:And notice it is available for "pre order", meaning you do not get it until sometime later, likely never. And you, *The Mark", would probably have put most of the 1.5 million up front. Rossi would have the money and you would have nothing except snake oil.


How easy would it be to set up his prototype to run for a few months on some large college campus, then when the campus reported that their electricity bills had dropped to zero and all the media hordes descended, Rossi would have a hundred billion dollars in funding with the snap of his fingers.

Forget the product or the science, his entire business model is exactly what you'd expect to see if this were a scam.
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Re: 1-megawatt cold fusion power plant available

Unread postby westexas » Wed 27 Nov 2013, 11:10:11

These recurring cold fusion stories remind me of Michael Myers, in the "Halloween" movies. You think the scam is dead, but it keeps coming back to life.
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Re: 1-megawatt cold fusion power plant available

Unread postby vision-master » Wed 27 Nov 2013, 11:12:48

Ron Patterson wrote:You left out the most important paragraph:
The good news is that, when E-Cat starts shipping its 1MW Plants, and third-party scientists can freely poke around, we will finally know if Rossi has created cold fusion — or if it’s just pseudoscientific snake oil.


And notice it is available for "pre order", meaning you do not get it until sometime later, likely never. And you, *The Mark", would probably have put most of the 1.5 million up front. Rossi would have the money and you would have nothing except snake oil.

*"The Mark" is the sucker in confidence games.


So like have a bunch of 1.5 million dollar E-cats sitting around in a warehouse? Are you a small child in your lack of thinking? How would one purchase a 1.5 million dollar air plane, pre-order it dope.
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Re: 1-megawatt cold fusion power plant available

Unread postby vision-master » Wed 27 Nov 2013, 11:14:37

westexas wrote:These recurring cold fusion stories remind me of Michael Myers, in the "Halloween" movies. You think the scam is dead, but it keeps coming back to life.


You would think the *scam* of peak oil (happened how many years ago) would catch on. NOW, the USA is the largest producer in the World!

Help me with this?
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Re: 1-megawatt cold fusion power plant available

Unread postby westexas » Wed 27 Nov 2013, 11:24:37

It's one of life's little ironies that the Cornucopians are using the example of what is, so far at least, a crude oil post-peak region, the US, to rebut the Peak Oil "Theory."

But it's always nice to have visitors from Fantasy Island, where oil wells don't deplete, and where the Laws of Thermodynamics have been repealed.
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Re: 1-megawatt cold fusion power plant available

Unread postby Ron Patterson » Wed 27 Nov 2013, 11:50:34

KingM wrote:
Ah, so it's a conspiracy. That explains a lot.


No one has said it was a conspiracy. Unless Rossi and his employees make up a conspiracy. A bunch of crooks working together may fit the technical definition of a conspiracy but that is not the context in which the word is normally used.
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Re: 1-megawatt cold fusion power plant available

Unread postby Ron Patterson » Wed 27 Nov 2013, 12:03:33

vision-master wrote:
So like have a bunch of 1.5 million dollar E-cats sitting around in a warehouse? Are you a small child in your lack of thinking? How would one purchase a 1.5 million dollar air plane, pre-order it dope.


Really! Do you think a person is a dope for doubting such stuff? Rossi is not Boeing and he could very well ask for money up front. Or he could take pre-orders and use as those a pretext to getting investors.

Really Vision Master, do you really believe this stuff? Are you a small child or are you simply gullible as small children usually are.
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Re: 1-megawatt cold fusion power plant available

Unread postby kublikhan » Wed 27 Nov 2013, 12:41:50

Seems like I heard something like this before. Oh yeah!

Rossi: 50,000+ Pre-Orders for E-Cats Received: Predicts Worldwide Shipments Within 18 Months
January 23, 2012

People reading Andrea Rossi’s Journal of Nuclear Physics blog see that people regularly write posts pre-ordering the domestic E-Cats that Rossi has announced. Today Rossi made the following statement regarding the status of this product:

Dear Christian Bistriceanu:
Your pre-order has been accepted. By the way: so far we received about 50,000 pre-orders and counting, which is not bad, for a product that has still to be described in details. Our 10,000 target has been burnt rapidly.
The E-Cat will be offered in details by tis Autumn and the shipments will start probably within the next winter, if we will have not delays for unforeseen problems. Surely we will start the shipments within 18 months from now. You will be free to buy it wherever you want and send it wherever you want. You will be also able to buy it in Internet and we will provide you all the assistance you need.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Rossi has said he is hoping for an initial product run of 1 million E-Cat units, and perhaps he is hoping for 1 million pre-orders. There is no indication if before the launch there will be any further demonstration or validation of the product. Nor has he mentioned anything regarding a warranty or a money-back guarantee on the domestic E-Cat all of which I would imagine would make a large difference to the number of orders that will be placed. One would expect that those would be an important part of any marketing and advertising campaign — if Leonardo Corporation is planning on that.
Rossi: 50,000+ Pre-Orders for E-Cats Received: Predicts Worldwide Shipments Within 18 Months

December 30, 2011
What Will We See In 2012?
"WE ARE PREPARING THE PRODUCTION OF 1 MILLION E-CATS TO REACH A VERY LOW PRICE, TO MAKE IT AT HAND FOR EVERYBODY; THIS WILL ALSO PUT AN END TO THE WANNABE COMPETITORS WHO WILL BE ABLE TO BUY AND COPY AN E-CAT, BUT WILL NEVER HAVE THE STRENGTH TO MAKE SIMILAR PRICES. THIS IS THE STRATEGY I DECIDED IN THESE DAYS WITH OUR PARTNERS"
He states on his blog that the plan is for these units to be made available in 2012!
One Full Year of Andrea Rossi's E-Cat

Nov 08, 2011
The unknown US customer accepted delivery of a commercial E-Cat device. In the days since then - and likely due in part to all the media attention - Rossi has reported on his blog that he has sold “more than two” devices to other customers, which are also unnamed. The devices are being sold through Rossi’s company, Leonardo Corporation, and he says that the customers will reveal their identities when they choose.
Rossi's E-Cat gets first customers, but questions remain
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Re: 1-megawatt cold fusion power plant available

Unread postby diemos » Wed 27 Nov 2013, 12:47:00

What a relief to know that our endless free energy will be here …

… any … day … now.
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Re: 1-megawatt cold fusion power plant available

Unread postby Gordianus » Wed 27 Nov 2013, 14:17:51

Sadly this has all the characteristics of an investor scam:

* It would change the world if it worked, but ...
* The inventor can't/won't explain how it works
* The inventor won't allow independent verification
* The delivery date keeps slipping
* Potential customers are required to "comply with several criteria set by Leonardo Corporation"

File it with the flying cars.
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Re: 1-megawatt cold fusion power plant available

Unread postby BobInget » Wed 27 Nov 2013, 15:12:33

Our star, the sun can provide all our fusion needs. WE need to turn it off every night, it's so powerful.
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Re: 1-megawatt cold fusion power plant available

Unread postby vision-master » Wed 27 Nov 2013, 15:16:19

BobInget wrote:Our star, the sun can provide all our fusion needs. WE need to turn it off every night, it's so powerful.


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Re: 1-megawatt cold fusion power plant available

Unread postby thylacine » Wed 27 Nov 2013, 22:35:22

So, if you don't believe in this cold fusion device you're "sheeple", a childish simpleton or a "dolt"? Not a very convincing way of persuading the sceptical that there might be some merit in what would appear to be a rather bold confidence trick. The idea of someone parting with $1.5M and receiving a sea container full of aluminium foil and pipes in return, made me laugh - so thanks for that.
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Re: 1-megawatt cold fusion power plant available

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Wed 27 Nov 2013, 23:22:47

thylacine wrote:The idea of someone parting with $1.5M and receiving a sea container full of aluminium foil and pipes in return, made me laugh - so thanks for that.
They wouldn't sell them, they could be sued or prosecuted for fraud. And they don't sell shares because of securities regulations.

But if they sell distributor licenses without any promises, I don't think the buyer has much legal recourse.

Just found this:
German E-Cat Licensee Reports Getting Refund on License
November 27, 2013
(But according to a commenter on that page: "He does not say 'we got our money back'.")
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