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Unread postby dohboi » Mon 06 Nov 2017, 15:51:56

High number of "natural deaths"

Partial reports of the Police lack specific data of the deceased

The majority of the complaints do not cover the critical days during the passage of Hurricane Maria between September 19 and 21

The partial reports of the Police show that 894 complaints were issued for natural deaths, most of these weeks after Hurricane Maria, between October 1 and 23.

In turn, of the documents to which El VOCERO had access, it appears that eight of the deceased were between 100 and 105 years of age and 277 cases in which the years they had were not indicated. About 200 reported deaths occurred in homes for the elderly and another 200 in emergency rooms and hospitals.

They do not indicate whether there was electricity in the places where the deaths occurred and if the elderly depended on it to avoid aggravating their health conditions.


An examination of the complaints shows that in 72 of the cases, the deceased were not identified. Of those 19 are men and four women. The remaining 49 are not identified by sex, age or name.

The lack of information in the registry of the complaints prevents accurate numbers. In some cases, the date, age and residential address appear, but not the name. In other cases they are the deaths of young people on public roads.

Of the cases examined by gender, some 397 are women.

According to the partial statistics in San Juan, between September 21 and the first days of October, 127 complaints of natural deaths were issued, of which 32 were from people who lived in homes for the elderly and 29 in hospitals. Of the 127 deaths in that area, about 23 were people between the ages of 90 and 99; another 30 between 80 to 89 years, and 12 between 70 to 79 years.

While the police area of ​​Bayamón, partial reports between September 25 and October 23 total 68 cases of natural deaths, of which 11 occurred in homes for the elderly and 15 in emergency rooms and hospitals.

In one of the cases the person was over 100 years old. In another ten cases between 90 to 99 years of age; 18 of the cases between 80 to 89 years; 11 of the cases between 70 to 79 years and in six of the cases between 60 to 69 years.

On the other hand, in the area of ​​Ponce, which also includes Juana Díaz, Villalba, Santa Isabel, Peñuelas, Guayanilla, Yauco and Guánica, there were 75 complaints. It was indicated that 16 of the deaths in that area occurred in homes for the elderly and 14 in hospitals or emergency rooms.

In the Caguas area, which includes the municipalities of Cidra, Aguas Buenas, Gurabo, San Lorenzo and Juncos, the complaints amounted to 131.

In Mayagüez, 36 deaths were added, of which 21 were in homes for the elderly and 22 in hospitals and emergency rooms. Of the deceased 22 had ages between 90 to 99 years; 26 between 80 to 89 years and 23 between 70 to 79 years.


Utuado the most stripped

Other areas such as Utuado, Arecibo, Guayama and Humacao have the minimum information in their records, mainly age.

Guayama reported 21 deaths between September 30 and October 10, one of which occurred in a nursing home and three in hospitals. Five of the deaths are of people over 90 years old; four over 80 years old; five older than 70 and four older than 60.

The registration in Utuado adds 25 complaints. Five were in nursing homes and one in a hospital. Three are nameless and covers from September 2 to October 8. It does not add other known deaths directly related to Mary, such as that of three sisters who perished buried in an avalanche.

In the Carolina area with 105 complaints, it is established that 18 of the deaths occurred in hospitals and nine in care homes. One of the deceased was 105 years old; another 11 older than 90; 14 over 80 years old; 10 over 70 years old and 11 over 60 years old.


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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Mon 06 Nov 2017, 19:21:41

Can any of that be sorted out from the normal death rate for the 3.5 million citizens of Puerto Rico which is 70 persons per day?
I highly doubt it.
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Thu 09 Nov 2017, 09:48:31

ABC news is reporting that FEMA is now offering to fly Puerto Rican families to Florida or New York to give them an alternative to living in Shelters. Some 2460 people are still living in the 61 shelters that are operating.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/months-storm-f ... d=51033149
The electric grid is now 42 % back in service as is 85 percent of the public water system.
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 09 Nov 2017, 14:02:14

Thanks for that update, vt. Another reason why the census by itself, no matter how accurately taken, is not likely to finally settle the question.

Meanwhile:

Puerto Rico, Day 50:

Island-wide power generation has plunged due to the failure of a transmission line “repaired” by Whitefish Energy.

—82% of the island now w/o power.

https://twitter.com/ericholthaus/status ... 4956408832

Blackout Puerto Rico
PREPA confirms power generation has plummeted to 18% after a failure of Cambalache [Manatí] 230KV line. Municipalities in the North have been affected.
It could be tonight or tomorrow morning before power is restored.


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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 10 Nov 2017, 16:16:17

Another article about Dohboi just posted about Puerto Rico back in the dark. So I guess the decision to nix the contract with Whitefish seems valid afterall.
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Fri 10 Nov 2017, 16:23:20

onlooker wrote:Another article about Dohboi just posted about Puerto Rico back in the dark. So I guess the decision to nix the contract with Whitefish seems valid afterall.
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environm ... h-blackout

No new facts there. It could go either way as to who is at fault here. I wouldn't bet the rent one way or the other.
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby dohboi » Sat 11 Nov 2017, 23:04:25

Puerto Rico emergency director resigns;

US military effort winds down


Puerto Rico's emergency management director resigned Friday as the island's slowly recovers nearly two months after Hurricane Maria made landfall.
In announcing the resignation of Abner Gómez, effective Saturday, Gov. Ricardo Rosselló praised the work of his emergency management chief following Hurricanes Irma and Maria, which both hit in September.
The governor also announced that Lt. Gen. Jeffrey Buchanan, whom the Pentagon appointed to lead all military relief efforts, will be reassigned outside the island next week.

Puerto Rico's power authority says electricity generation stands at about 44%, but it's not clear how many homes and businesses that power is reaching. And it's uncertain how many of the US territory's roughly 3.4 million citizens remain without power as they struggle through Maria's aftermath...
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby dohboi » Mon 13 Nov 2017, 21:22:03

Denial’s Grim Fruits — Actual Puerto Rico Death Toll Probably Near 500; May Climb to Over a Thousand

https://robertscribbler.com/2017/11/13/ ... -thousand/
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby Cog » Tue 14 Nov 2017, 04:59:39

dohboi wrote:Denial’s Grim Fruits — Actual Puerto Rico Death Toll Probably Near 500; May Climb to Over a Thousand

https://robertscribbler.com/2017/11/13/ ... -thousand/


So this never-Trumper, who writes about economic social justice and Trump's "war on women" is supposed to have some credibility with us? Just from perusing his other articles, he has an agenda and its not to MAGA. People die in hurricanes. Who knew such a thing was possible? Trump must have fired up his Halliburton weather machine and directed Maria's wrath straight at those brown people.
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 14 Nov 2017, 06:20:24

IIRC shortly after the hurrican it was estimated it would take 6 months to restore power to the island. 2 months later they have nearly 50% back up.
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby GHung » Tue 14 Nov 2017, 08:34:41

Newfie wrote:IIRC shortly after the hurrican it was estimated it would take 6 months to restore power to the island. 2 months later they have nearly 50% back up.


The first 50% is the easier part. It's the thousands of outlying distribution lines that will take some time. Of course, many of those customers no longer exist.
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby dohboi » Fri 17 Nov 2017, 14:08:49

Ricardo Ramos, embattled head of Puerto Rico’s power utility, resigns

The embattled head of Puerto Rico’s power utility resigned on Friday, the latest controversy to hit the island as it struggles to bring its electric grid back online.

Ricardo Ramos, the executive director of the Puerto Rico Electric Power Agency, submitted his resignation to Puerto Rico’s governor’s office only a few days after he testified before the Senate Energy and Natural Resource Committee over the controversial contract he approved with Whitefish Energy Holdings, a small Montana firm to rebuild Puerto Rico’s electric grid...

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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 17 Nov 2017, 15:54:03

dohboi wrote:Ricardo Ramos, embattled head of Puerto Rico’s power utility, resigns

The embattled head of Puerto Rico’s power utility resigned on Friday, the latest controversy to hit the island as it struggles to bring its electric grid back online.

Ricardo Ramos, the executive director of the Puerto Rico Electric Power Agency, submitted his resignation to Puerto Rico’s governor’s office only a few days after he testified before the Senate Energy and Natural Resource Committee over the controversial contract he approved with Whitefish Energy Holdings, a small Montana firm to rebuild Puerto Rico’s electric grid...

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/puert ... ns-n821881


The people running Puerto Rico were incompetent and corrupt before Hurricane Maria.

It comes as no surprise that they are incompetent and corrupt after Hurricane Maria.

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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby EdwinSm » Tue 21 Nov 2017, 05:29:43

I heard on this morning's radio news that since the storm some 60 000 people have moved from PR to the mainland.

According to Wikipedia the population of the island in 1910 was just 1 513. This is such a mind blowing small figure given the population off 5.3 million in 2015. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Ricans_in_the_United_States
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 21 Nov 2017, 14:02:43

My understanding, which requires checking, is that FEMA was concurrently negotiating a deal with a large USA firm under more traditional terms and conditions. The PR power authority negotiated a selerste deal where Whitefish l, apparently a front for a large Brazilian form, was the only participant to agree to doing work without some up front payment.

Clearly no one here knows the details but lack of payment was certain.
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 21 Nov 2017, 17:02:00

2000 Puerto Ricans flee the island every day and migrate to the USA

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This might be a good time to pick up real estate in Puerto Rico cheap. With so many people moving out, there should be some bargains there.

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Get something up on a cliff, so it doesn't flood during future hurricanes, equip it with a generator, solar cells, and a power wall so you can generate your own power as needed, and you might have something nice there.

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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby onlooker » Sat 09 Dec 2017, 01:17:30

Puerto Rico, will never be the same. The permanent crisis of civilization is accelerating.. My heart goes out to all those on the Island
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby Tanada » Sat 09 Dec 2017, 10:51:39

It is silly to say Puerto Rice will never be the same. Of course it will never be the same, when a storm destroys a lot of property and many people die the rebuild is always different than what existed before the storm.
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby pstarr » Sat 09 Dec 2017, 10:53:26

Official Toll in Puerto Rico: 64. Actual Deaths May Be 1,052.

A review by The New York Times of daily mortality data from Puerto Rico’s vital statistics bureau indicates a significantly higher death toll after the hurricane than the government there has acknowledged.

The Times’s analysis found that in the 42 days after Hurricane Maria made landfall on Sept. 20 as a Category 4 storm, 1,052 more people than usual died across the island. The analysis compared the number of deaths for each day in 2017 with the average of the number of deaths for the same days in 2015 and 2016.


"It is silly to say Puerto Rice will never be the same. Of course it will never be the same, when a storm destroys a lot of property and many people die the rebuild is always different than what existed before the storm."

I don't think it is silly. After Katrina, the flooded and poor sections of New Orleans are not the same, many places have been abandoned. The entire island of PR was devastated (and unlike the rest of the US) doesn't seem to be getting the help it needs. More than a million people who STILL don’t have power and running water nearly 3 months after Hurricanes Irma and Maria devastated their communities.
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What Life Is Like For A Million People In Puerto Rico Who St

Unread postby AdamB » Sat 09 Dec 2017, 11:31:25


If you ever wondered what it would look like if the grid collapsed here on the mainland, the island of Puerto Rico is a tragic, real-life case study. These stories show us what life is like for more than a million people who STILL don’t have power and running water nearly 3 months after Hurricanes Irma and Maria devastated their communities. According to a website showing the status of utilities on the island, four months after two hurricanes wrought havoc, 32% of Puerto Ricans are still without power and nearly 10% are still without running water. However, even those who have running water must boil it. But statistics don’t tell the real story. At first, it was a war zone. In the first days after the grid went down, chaos ruled. I vetted as many of the stories as I could and concluded: …there is ver


What Life Is Like For A Million People In Puerto Rico Who Still Don’t Have Power
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