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Hurricane Maria

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Tue 19 Sep 2017, 20:38:52

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For tomorrow 8am ET. Note the projected central pressure is 899mb. Very powerful storm. That is St Croix just outside the eye. The US Virgin Island that was not too badly damaged by Irma and where the people from the other Virgin Islands were evacuated to.

Maria is then expected to cross the Island of Puerto Rico. These are all American citizens in the crosshairs. They are a Territory of the United States, making them part of the US. So many don't get that. We are talking nearly 4 million US citizens in the crosshairs. And they don't have the option to drive to Georgia. Expected to be Cat 5 at landfall.

Maria went from cat 1 to cat 5 in less than 24 hours, so there was really no warning as to how devastating this storm will be. St Croix is already experiencing hurricane force winds.
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby GHung » Tue 19 Sep 2017, 20:59:17

New TropicalTidbits:
(I love this guy) - https://youtu.be/ZJISCmwrFCE

Nice forecast for San Juan, eh?

This product covers PUERTO RICO AND THE US VIRGIN ISLANDS

**EYE OF CATEGORY 5 HURRICANE MARIA MOVING CLOSER TO ST CROIX IN THE
U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS**

NEW INFORMATION
---------------

* CHANGES TO WATCHES AND WARNINGS:
- None

* CURRENT WATCHES AND WARNINGS:
- A Hurricane Warning is in effect for Central Interior, Culebra,
Eastern Interior, Mayaguez and Vicinity, North Central,
Northeast, Northwest, Ponce and Vicinity, San Juan and
Vicinity, Southeast, Southwest, St Croix, St.Thomas...St.
John...and Adjacent Islands, Vieques, and Western Interior

* STORM INFORMATION:
- About 150 miles southeast of San Juan PR or about 60 miles
southeast of Saint Croix VI
- 17.0N 64.2W
- Storm Intensity 175 mph
- Movement West-northwest or 300 degrees at 10 mph

SITUATION OVERVIEW
------------------

At 8 PM AST Major Hurricane Maria is still yet stronger with sustained
winds of 175 mph, but only very close to the center. It is expected to
continue at this strength with some fluctuations until it encounters
Puerto Rico. It should then begin to weaken. Hurricane conditions are
likely to begin Tuesday night across the USVI, Vieques and Culebra; and
across Puerto Rico Wednesday morning........

http://forecast.weather.gov/showsigwx.p ... cG54Rdrxsg
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 19 Sep 2017, 21:08:57

Cid_Yama wrote:Maria went from cat 1 to cat 5 in less than 24 hours, so there was really no warning as to how devastating this storm will be.


Thanks for starting this thread, Cid

Superwarm ocean waters in the Caribbean caused this amazingly rapid jump in strength for Maria. This is another global warming prediction come true......

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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby onlooker » Tue 19 Sep 2017, 21:37:43

"Maria put on an incredible display of rapid intensification on Monday, going from a low-end Category 1 storm with 75 mph winds and a pressure of 982 mb at 0Z Monday, to a Category 5 storm with 160 mph winds and a 925 mb pressure 24 hours later. There have now been two Atlantic Category 5 storms in 2017: Maria and Irma. The Atlantic has had only five other years on record with multiple Cat 5s: Dean and Felix in 2007; Emily, Katrina, Rita and Wilma in 2005; Carla and Hattie in 1961; and two Cat 5s each in 1932 and 1933."
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Tue 19 Sep 2017, 21:44:59

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European Model a week out has Maria pulling a Sandy heading for the Jersey coast and Long Island.
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Re: Hurricane Maria

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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby nocar » Wed 20 Sep 2017, 04:07:54

An other line from West side story is about Puerto Rico "always the hurricanes blowing" "I like the island Manhattan"
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby dohboi » Wed 20 Sep 2017, 12:50:51

The Mayor of Cataño telling @ABC 80% of town's homes destroyed by wind and water. This is right across the bay from #SanJuan.


https://twitter.com/RobMarciano/status/ ... 2093797377

And I just saw aerial footage from Dominica...couldn't see any structures that weren't damaged, and many were totally destroyed.
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 20 Sep 2017, 13:01:56

We dodged a big bullet on this one. Last January I needed to decide where to store the big boat for the summer, USA mainland or PR. The only marina with hurricane tie downs was real hard to deal with, didn't return email or phone calls and needed a February reservation. So I opted for Florida. That marina looks to have been hit very hard, just on the wrong side of the eye.
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby vox_mundi » Wed 20 Sep 2017, 13:22:08

Hurricane Maria: Whole of Puerto Rico Without Power

Hurricane Maria has knocked out power to the entire island of Puerto Rico, home to 3.5m people, emergency officials have said.

Abner Gómez, head of the disaster management agency, said the hurricane had damaged "everything in its path". None of the customers of Puerto Rico's Electric Power Authority had any electricity, he said.

Images shared on social media show roofs being stripped away as winds as strong as 140 mph (225 km/h) whipped trees and power lines in Puerto Rico's capital city, San Juan.

People across Puerto Rico are just trying to ride out this storm as best they can now. From where we're hunkered down, in San Juan, the powerful winds are creating an incredible noise, rattling storm shutters and doors almost off their hinges.

The electricity is out in our hotel and it is too dark and too dangerous to try to see what is happening outside. Like millions of others, we have little choice at present except to stay put and wait in the darkness for the huge hurricane to pass.

The difficulty is, it is moving slowly - giving Maria more time to unleash its power on the island and its infrastructure. Some projections have shown the storm covering the entire island in the coming hours, hitting Puerto Rico with sustained hurricane force winds and large amounts of rainfall.
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Wed 20 Sep 2017, 14:33:19

A nephew and niece have grandparents living on Porto Rico. Some photos have come into my wife's face book page showing chest deep flooding and housing totally ruined. Comment was that all material things are lost but all hands safe and well.
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby dohboi » Wed 20 Sep 2017, 15:22:18

Yes, as with Harvey in TX, many of the deaths and damage from Maria in PR are going to be from the flash floods as the hundreds of streams that rush down the mountains and hills overflow their banks.

I hope your relatives come out of this ok.
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 20 Sep 2017, 17:39:09

PR is quite rugged. Many houses are built on hillsides. Ive seen lots where drive off the street and park on the roof.
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Wed 20 Sep 2017, 20:44:22

Yes, 100% of Puerto Rico is without power, except those with generators.
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Wed 20 Sep 2017, 21:02:38

I don't want to beat on a wounded people but just suggest that while rebuilding each house that is not in a flood area have at least one room made of reinforced concrete, floors walls and ceiling. Perhaps ten by ten feet or twelve by twelve. Five inch walls and eight inch floors and ceilings would be sufficient. Tuck it back against the hill side if present and build the rest of the house out of lighter sacrificial material to keep the total cost down.
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby JuanP » Wed 20 Sep 2017, 21:50:17

During this hottest time of the year, with water temperatures being as hot as they've been these past few years, it is best to assume that any hurricane can become a cat 5 in no time. Better safe than sorry. I used to ignore most hurricanes, but that changed after Katrina and, now, the NHC website is one of the homepages on my browser during the Hurricane Season and I browse it every morning from June until December. I am leaving the plywood on my windows until December, too. Next year I will have new hurricane resistant windows. That will help. Puerto Rico is probably a huge mess right now and, considering that the state is bankrupt and badly overpopulated, many people there may never fully recover. If I lived there and I was working class I would leave the island.
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby Cog » Wed 20 Sep 2017, 22:20:42

Puerto Rico is a mini-socialist Venezuela with all that entails. Their power company was broke even before this by giving away free electricity. I suspect someone will come up with idea of having the US pay to rebuild everything down there.

More on the bankrupt power company here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/02/busi ... ml?mcubz=0
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby EdwinSm » Thu 21 Sep 2017, 07:14:12

The latest BBC report has "Mr Rossello has asked President Donald Trump to declare the island a disaster area after the storm unleashed heavy flooding and life-threatening winds. The US president is yet to do so"

Any idea of what the delay is about? He seemed to do so well with a quick response to Texas and Florida in their need. Or is it all about different categories of emergency (that as a non-American I don't know the details of)?
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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby shortonoil » Thu 21 Sep 2017, 08:25:41

Puerto Rico is a mini-socialist Venezuela with all that entails.


Puerto Rico doesn't have any oil! They are as much like Venezuela as Marx was like Carnegie. Your comment is out to lunch, as usual. Your knowlege of the US is equivalent to that of Emperor Maxentius; 2000 years out of date.

Any idea of what the delay is about? He seemed to do so well with a quick response to Texas and Florida in their need. Or is it all about different categories of emergency (that as a non-American I don't know the details of)?


Puerto Rico is a US protectorate, so they have the right to migrate to the US. They are defacto US citizens. Since Trump based his campaign heavily on immigration control having a couple million Puerto Ricans show up on US soil is going to be a little difficult. Trump can either help rebuild the island, or take a horde of new refugees. He doesn't have the money for the first option, or the political capital for the second.

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Re: Hurricane Maria

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Thu 21 Sep 2017, 08:45:07

Puerto Ricans are full US citizens, there is nothing defacto about it. They are just as mismanaged as Illinois and for the same reason. Liberal Democrats in charge. The only delay in aid is the fact it is an island and the distance involved plus the need to wait for the storm to pass before planes and ships can arrive. US Navy ships are in route at this moment.
Many may choose to leave at least for a while but a Social security check goes just as far there as it dose in Boston if not farther so I doubt net migration after two years will be much above what it has always been.
As to their electric grid apparently it is old and poorly maintained so in some areas it will be quicker and cheaper to put in all new while the trees are already out of the way.
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