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Bill Gates says green energy is the answer for growth & CC

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 01 Dec 2015, 03:40:49

Bill Gates unveils massive green-energy plan at start of climate talks

PARIS — Microsoft co-founder and philanthropist Bill Gates unveiled plans Monday by an international coalition to invest billions of dollars in clean-energy projects to combat global warming.

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Gates, whose personal fortune is estimated by Forbes at about $80 billion, said during the summer that he would invest about $1 billion over the next five years to clean-energy projects. In Paris, he said investors have committed about $2 billion so far to the initiative.

"We need to be exploring many different paths — and that means we also need to invent new approaches," Gates wrote in a blog post announcing the project. "Private companies will ultimately develop these energy breakthroughs, but their work will rely on the kind of basic research that only governments can fund. Both have a role to play."

Andrew Steer, president and chief executive of World Resources Institute, a climate research group, said the Gates announcement gives a major boost to the climate talks.

"This unprecedented partnership will unleash significant funds for clean tech, and prompt innovation to deliver clean, affordable energy to billions of people," Steer said.

“India’s leading role in this initiative is particularly noteworthy," he added. "Prime Minister Modi stands alongside other leaders of emerging economies in demonstrating how international cooperation can spur clean-energy access and advance economic development.”
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/11/30/bill-gates-obama-hollande-clean-tech-renewables/76557200/


I saw and interview with Gates, and he said in the future ALL energy will be very cheap. Oil and fossil fuels, but also cheap green energy.

He said cheap green energy is the answer to lifting the world's poor up into first world standards and middle class (because that kind of lifestyle requires a lot of energy), and he said green energy is also the answer for climate change.

So he's looking at it from #1 a growth perspective and then #2 it's beneficial to the climate.

The age old paradox though is just that more people is more people -- if we get twice the first worlders as we have now, and everyone's onto mostly green energy, then that adds up to the same as current pollution. So, still too much pollution.

But anyhow I'm not knocking it, putting money into green energy makes more sense than the climate treaty stuff. So far this is just Gates and other private philanthropy -- that's really what government ought to be doing, as well.
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Re: Bill Gates says green energy is the answer for growth &

Unread postby onlooker » Tue 01 Dec 2015, 05:41:50

I wish I had heard this 20 to 30 years ago. Nice ideals. At this point though with the current world population any type of utilization of Earth is making things worse. Witness the cooking/heating fires coming out of Asia or the clearing of trees in Amazon or Indonesia for food stuffs all compounding problems and making them worse. Of course what also is not being said is the fossil fuel energy needed to really jump start a massive world-wide clean energy infrastructure. Or that clean energy if your talking about wind/solar will never provide the kind of energy fossil fuels do. Finally, is not Bill Gates the same one who also helped create that underground massive seed bank somewhere in Arctic or Antarctica guess he also things things might not work out as planned.
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Re: Bill Gates says green energy is the answer for growth &

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Tue 01 Dec 2015, 06:09:33

20 or 30 years ago what is happening now was set in stone already. My primary school teachers talked about most of it in 1972. Back then it was the prospect of nuclear Armageddon keeping the vast majority (which was half what it is now) thoroughly distracted. Now it's terrorism & paranoia again of Russia, but with crazy theatrical Salafist mofos cranking out the popcorn material. Its a fucking joke.
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Re: Bill Gates says green energy is the answer for growth &

Unread postby GHung » Tue 01 Dec 2015, 10:12:08

Six says; "Bill Gates says green energy is the answer for growth & CC..."

Six is wrong and misrepresents things. What Gates said (from Six's post):

"We need to be exploring many different paths — and that means we also need to invent new approaches,..."


Just trying to have an honest basis for the discussion, Six.
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Re: Bill Gates says green energy is the answer for growth &

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 01 Dec 2015, 18:08:00

GHung wrote:Six says; "Bill Gates says green energy is the answer for growth & CC..."

Six is wrong and misrepresents things. What Gates said (from Six's post):

"We need to be exploring many different paths — and that means we also need to invent new approaches,..."


Just trying to have an honest basis for the discussion, Six.


That wasn't the best link, I posted after watching a tv interview with him. He's some more resources:

Bill Gates: Clean energy is the future
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dll3oyw6ow

(that's not the interview I saw, or maybe I saw a different segment with him, I can't find it but I saw him interviewed on CNN and he was talking about the world's poor and that cheap green energy would help rise them up but then it's also good on the climate change issue.

Anyhow, the point of the thread is the multibillion dollar green energy fund that Gates is organizing.)

This was from back in July:

We Need Clean-Energy Innovation, and Lots of It
By Bill Gates
http://www.gatesnotes.com/Energy/Energy-Innovation


This is dated today:

Bill Gates has teamed up with Mark Zuckerberg to form multi-billion-dollar clean energy fund
http://www.sciencealert.com/bill-gates-has-teamed-up-with-mark-zuckerberg-to-form-multi-billion-dollar-clean-energy-fund


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Bill Gates lays out vision for clean energy

In the Monday kickoff to the historic climate conference in Paris, Bill Gates unveiled a new role as a global recruiter for billionaires willing to push clean-energy ideas out of the lab and into the marketplace.
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/environment/bill-gates-lays-out-vision-for-clean-energy/


This short little video says Gates has pledged to spend $2 billion over five years, and that the countries at the climate summit have agreed to double their clean energy R&D spending. And also that the idea with CHEAP clean energy is to help poorer countries like India rise up in living standards (the developing world is #1 focused on energy ACCESS and more energy, so Gates is looking at it from clean energy growth perspective and that kind of view is something developing nations would be on board with.)

Bill Gates Joins France, India in Clean Energy Initiative
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul_STIwMSBo


This video is a year old, but it's a very in depth science-based q&a with Gates about energy issues:

Exclusive Bill Gates Interview on the Future of Energy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4yAwIUXxBc
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Re: Bill Gates says green energy is the answer for growth &

Unread postby dohboi » Tue 01 Dec 2015, 20:54:50

"Six is wrong and misrepresents things"

I'm shocked, shocked!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME
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Re: Bill Gates says green energy is the answer for growth &

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 01 Dec 2015, 22:18:25

dohboi wrote:"Six is wrong and misrepresents things"

I'm shocked, shocked!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME


I thought you cared about climate change.

This Bill Gates initiative isn't interesting?
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February breaks global temperature records by 'shocking' amt

Unread postby americandream » Sun 13 Mar 2016, 23:57:26

Warnings of climate emergency after surface temperatures 1.35C warmer than average temperature for the month:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... CMP=twt_gu
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Re: February breaks global temperature records by 'shocking'

Unread postby americandream » Mon 14 Mar 2016, 00:15:00

If this is occurring and continues against the backdrop of the derailed objective process, the doom many are prepping for on here will quickly assail and overwhelm us. It would be advisable to keep en eye on these monthly measures.
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Re: February breaks global temperature records by 'shocking'

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Re: February breaks global temperature records by 'shocking'

Unread postby kiwichick » Mon 14 Mar 2016, 00:23:58

we are going to need a bigger boat / graph !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: February breaks global temperature records by 'shocking'

Unread postby dohboi » Mon 14 Mar 2016, 00:43:59

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/0 ... ka-arctic/

And as Mann has tweeted, this means that February clocked in at about TWO degrees C above pre-industrial levels, the amount all world leaders got together just a few weeks ago and pledged to keep the world below.

Furthermore: The five largest monthly global warm anomalies in NASA’s database have all occurred within the past five months, topped by February 2016.

From the wunderground article: "we are committed to at least 0.5°C of additional atmospheric warming as heat stored in the ocean makes its way into the air..

In short, we are now hurtling at a frightening pace toward the globally agreed maximum of 2.0°C warming over preindustrial levels."
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Re: February breaks global temperature records by 'shocking'

Unread postby Tanada » Mon 14 Mar 2016, 07:39:38

dohboi wrote:http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/03/13/3759569/record-february-warmth-alaska-arctic/

And as Mann has tweeted, this means that February clocked in at about TWO degrees C above pre-industrial levels, the amount all world leaders got together just a few weeks ago and pledged to keep the world below.

Furthermore: The five largest monthly global warm anomalies in NASA’s database have all occurred within the past five months, topped by February 2016.

From the wunderground article: "we are committed to at least 0.5°C of additional atmospheric warming as heat stored in the ocean makes its way into the air..

In short, we are now hurtling at a frightening pace toward the globally agreed maximum of 2.0°C warming over preindustrial levels."


I am not sure, and nobody can be with such limited data, if this is just the El Nino on top of the prior warming or if we are actually making that step change I have been fearing. Abrupt climate change data tends to indicate a LOCAL 5 C in 5 years increase in Greenland, followed by a 25-35 year pause, then a second 5 C in 5 year increase as the system catches up to the step change. If that is the pattern we are following now then by 2021 we will stabilize with a Greenland temperature jump of 5 C above 2014 levels, and those temperatures were already elevated from pre-industrial by about 1.5 C.
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Re: February breaks global temperature records by 'shocking'

Unread postby americandream » Mon 14 Mar 2016, 07:51:30

Liquidity cannot wait for the ambivalence of climate theory....that should be borne in mind when considering the rolling pollution profile of the current economic setup and the flowing risks.
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Re: February breaks global temperature records by 'shocking'

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 14 Mar 2016, 07:52:43

dohboi wrote:February clocked in at about TWO degrees C above pre-industrial levels, the amount all world leaders got together just a few weeks ago and pledged to keep the world below.
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Yup

When Obama derailed the Copenhagen agreement in 2009 and then abandoned 20 years of working toward a binding agreement to limit CO2 emissions he took the world down a very dangerous path. His idea of voluntary pledges to limit T increases is absurdly wrong headed and completely ineffective.

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Re: February breaks global temperature records by 'shocking'

Unread postby americandream » Mon 14 Mar 2016, 07:59:51

Plantagenet wrote:
dohboi wrote:February clocked in at about TWO degrees C above pre-industrial levels, the amount all world leaders got together just a few weeks ago and pledged to keep the world below.
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Yup

When Obama derailed the Copenhagen agreement in 2009 and then abandoned 20 years of working toward a binding agreement to limit CO2 emissions he took the world down a very dangerous path. His idea of voluntary pledges to limit T increases is absurdly wrong headed and completely ineffective.


That has probably more to do with the fact that he is an economic liberal and not a social liberal or economic conservative.
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Re: February breaks global temperature records by 'shocking'

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 14 Mar 2016, 08:09:04

Economic liberalism has nothing to do with it---- it's just common sense that we have to reduce CO2 emissions. The whole idea of a treaty that sets limits on temperature increases but doesn't even address reducing CO2 emissions is utterly moronic

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Re: February breaks global temperature records by 'shocking'

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Mon 14 Mar 2016, 08:12:52

There isn't a serious environmental government anywhere bigger than about Panama. Socialist or capitalist blah blah has SFA to do with it. Turning the ship around would require a complete reordering of the global manifesto, not some tinkering at the edges or rebadging the status quo.

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Re: February breaks global temperature records by 'shocking'

Unread postby americandream » Mon 14 Mar 2016, 08:20:54

Plantagenet wrote:Economic liberalism has nothing to do with it---- it's just common sense that we have to reduce CO2 emissions. The whole idea of a treaty that sets limits on temperature increases but doesn't even address reducing CO2 emissions is utterly moronic


Mmmm. Just as you are driven by your ideologies, so is Obama. he has his common sense as do you. Now if we are talking about tendencies, then we revert to history and that of course, calls for a Marxist perspective as regards systems and dialectic forces, clearly one you and even Obama would balk at.
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Re: February breaks global temperature records by 'shocking'

Unread postby ennui2 » Mon 14 Mar 2016, 08:23:48

Typical lazy Obama scapegoating. People were more than willing to believe AGW as a conspiracy after climategate, and with the recession, there was no mandate to do anything but shore up the economy by any means necessary.

Oh, and back around that time Planty, our resident environmentalist, was supporting Sarah "Drill, Baby, Drill" Palin.

So keep pointing those fingers all you want but it's a waste of time.
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