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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 19

Unread postPosted: Mon 07 May 2018, 21:10:22
by Plantagenet
jef wrote:dohboi - Glad they include aerosols and cloud feedback but as far as I have seen no models include methane.


Here is a link to a comprehensive review of methane feedbacks and climate published by the American Geophysical Union in 2017

Methane Feedbacks to the Global Climate System in a Warmer World

According to this review, the methane feedback won't be too significant until about 2100. In any case its not very difficult for the modelers to include methane feedbacks in GCMs....just add the appropriate amount of methane released due to feedback effects to the methane already in the atmosphere due to natural and anthropogenic processes.

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Cheers!

Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 19

Unread postPosted: Mon 07 May 2018, 21:21:12
by M_B_S
Sys1 wrote:"But the most wealthy 1% (about 77 million) will live."

I hope the most wealthy will be chased and killed during the final stages of civilisation collapse.
Letting those 1% survive is worse than letting mankind totally disappear.


Homo Sapiens is a predator and the 1% are big meals....
Hannibal Lecter
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=18b7S10-Vns

M_B_S

Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 19

Unread postPosted: Tue 08 May 2018, 14:46:01
by dohboi
Are you in a BS job? Most likely.

...For a number of years now, I have been conducting research on forms of employment seen as utterly pointless by those who perform them. The proportion of these jobs is startlingly high. Surveys in Britain and Holland reveal that 37 to 40 percent of all workers there are convinced that their jobs make no meaningful contribution to the world. And there seems every reason to believe that numbers in other wealthy countries are much the same. There would appear to be whole industries — telemarketing, corporate law, financial or management consulting, lobbying — in which almost everyone involved finds the enterprise a waste of time, and believes that if their jobs disappeared it would either make no difference or make the world a better place....

...If one includes the work of those who unwittingly perform real labor in support of all this — for instance, the cleaners, guards, and mechanics who maintain the office buildings where people perform bullshit jobs — it’s clear that 50 percent of all work could be eliminated with no downside. (I am assuming here that provision is made such that those whose jobs were eliminated continue to be supported.)

If nothing else, this would have immediate salutary effects on carbon emissions, not to mention overall social happiness and well-being.



https://www.chronicle.com/article/Are-Y ... cWx0SnlZZw

Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 19

Unread postPosted: Tue 08 May 2018, 15:36:27
by vtsnowedin
M_B_S wrote:
Sys1 wrote:"But the most wealthy 1% (about 77 million) will live."

I hope the most wealthy will be chased and killed during the final stages of civilisation collapse.
Letting those 1% survive is worse than letting mankind totally disappear.


Homo Sapiens is a predator and the 1% are big meals....
Hannibal Lecter
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=18b7S10-Vns

M_B_S

Actually the body guards and servants that serve the one percent have the best chance of survival. They have both the skills and access to just bump off "his lordship" and move into his place when the rule of law breaks down.

Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 19

Unread postPosted: Wed 09 May 2018, 03:58:36
by M_B_S
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw0AAsGaDg0

Biologist Predicts how Civilization Collapses Soon... <2030 a.d.

Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 19

Unread postPosted: Wed 09 May 2018, 05:25:00
by vtsnowedin
M_B_S wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw0AAsGaDg0

Biologist Predicts how Civilization Collapses Soon... <2030 a.d.

On the same page there is this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDgkl3BvNQs
Among other things it claims the government is tracking all your credit card purchases so they know where to go to confiscate your prepper supplies when TSHTF. :roll:

Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 19

Unread postPosted: Wed 09 May 2018, 15:35:38
by dohboi
“While climate change may not yet have had its huge impact on biodiversity,” says Schrag, “just wait. What’s coming is really extraordinary.”

https://chicagotonight.wttw.com/2018/05 ... e-we-think

Also note:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/cap ... er-faster/

Hurricanes raining harder and growing stronger faster due to climate change


And of course:

Climate change and the need to change behaviour in the West

Video lecture April 2018 Kevin Anderson

https://www.diis.dk/node/14133

Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 19

Unread postPosted: Wed 09 May 2018, 22:45:21
by dohboi
German emissions from the electrical sector have not increased, they’ve decreased!

https://www.energy-charts.de/emissions. ... 2&year=all

Renewables grew faster than nuclear fell over the past decade... coal capacity factors are falling overall.

Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 19

Unread postPosted: Wed 09 May 2018, 23:32:12
by Plantagenet
dohboi wrote:German emissions from the electrical sector have not increased, they’ve decreased!

https://www.energy-charts.de/emissions. ... 2&year=all



??????

Thats not what that chart in your link shows.

Germany shut most of its nukes in 2011, and switched to backup coal power. This caused CO2 emissions to rise. You can see it on the chart--- Emissions in 2011 are HIGHER then in 2010. Same thing for 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2016 when the chart stops----CO2 emissions continue to be higher then in 2010. Yes, the amount of emissions from coal has been dropping a bit in recent years, but according to your chart carbon emissions are still not below the level they were at in 2010 before the nuclear plants were shut.

Get it now?

Cheers!

Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 19

Unread postPosted: Thu 10 May 2018, 01:31:18
by M_B_S
@ dohboi

First relativ or absolute.

Germanys dirty brown coal powerplants run @ full load thanks to Merkel the Undertaker of "Energiewende"

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This is how Merkels "Energiewende" looks like.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-c ... SKBN1I50YU

But there is hope maybe to late

http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/worl ... cle/521808


Allianz stops insuring coal-fired power plants and coal mines
LISTEN | PRINT
BY KAREN GRAHAM 6 HOURS AGO IN WORLD
Munich - Munich, Germany-based Allianz Group announced on Friday that it would refuse insurance coverage of coal-fired power plants and coal mines effective immediately, and would aim to get rid of all coal risks in its business by 2040.

Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 19

Unread postPosted: Thu 10 May 2018, 05:56:31
by dohboi
Plant, yeah, they bumped up a bit for two years, then plateaued and then steadily decreased to the point that now they are at the same levels as before the nuke shut down.

I actually do think they should have done the shut down more gradually to allow for renewables to take up all the slack, but some people (nuke enthusiasts) treat Energiewend as if it set Germany on a path of never ending increases in coal use, which is just not the case.

MBS, thanks for the link to that article. I saw it elsewhere, and it certainly does seem like things moving in the right direction. Fossil-Death-Fuel companies are rich powerful, and it is likely only other powerful and powerful industries, like insurance, who can really reign them in. It would have been...nice...if insurance co's had figured this out, like, 40 years ago or more! :wink: :cry:

In other news:
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/05/ ... e-gas-cuts

You can't manage what you don't measure. The adage is especially relevant for climate-warming greenhouse gases, which are crucial to manage—and challenging to measure. In recent years, though, satellite and aircraft instruments have begun monitoring carbon dioxide and methane remotely, and NASA's Carbon Monitoring System (CMS), a $10-million-a-year research line, has helped stitch together observations of sources and sinks into high-resolution models of the planet's flows of carbon. Now, President Donald Trump's administration has quietly killed the CMS


Sooo, if we close our eyes, put our hands over our ears, and shout loudly "LALALALALALA"...then all our problems will magically disappear. How very mature!

And...another reminder that the global top 1% is doing nearly all the polluting...money = consumption = pollution:

https://www.oxfam.org/en/pressroom/pres ... -last-year

Richest 1 percent bagged 82 percent of wealth created last year

By the way, it is quite likely that nearly everyone on this site is in that global top 1%, that is if their income is $32,400 a year or more.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/p ... -world.asp

Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 19

Unread postPosted: Fri 11 May 2018, 15:44:37
by kiwichick
"reducing population growth is the most potent long term climate policy"

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environm ... 11_05_2018)&goal=0_3ff5ea836a-4d48ccabb3-303450677

Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 19

Unread postPosted: Mon 14 May 2018, 17:53:45
by Subjectivist
Seems how the climate is supposed to suddenly shift I wish it would just ge it over with.

Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 19

Unread postPosted: Mon 14 May 2018, 23:40:07
by dohboi
kc quoted: "reducing population growth is the most potent long term climate policy"

Great, but start with the 1% of the population (us) that is doing 82% of the harm!

Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 19

Unread postPosted: Mon 21 May 2018, 06:17:15
by kiwichick
@ dohboi ....absolutely .....the richest countries.....western and northern europe, north America, australia, nz and a few others should , if we had any sense , be promoting policy's to stabilize our populations.

As you say, we are using far more than our fair share of the planets resources............and there will be no shortage of people wanting to migrate to the remaining habitable zones

Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 19

Unread postPosted: Mon 21 May 2018, 06:26:54
by M_B_S
USA TODAY :idea: :arrow:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/wor ... 618484002/

It was December 1984, and President Reagan had just been elected to his second term, Dynasty was the top show on TV and Madonna's Like a Virgin topped the musical charts.

It was also the last time the Earth had a cooler-than-average month.

Last month marked the planet's 400th consecutive month with above-average temperatures, federal scientists from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration announced Thursday.

The cause for the streak? Unquestionably, it’s climate change, caused by humanity's burning of fossil fuels.
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YOU! ARE THE PROBLEM and THE SOLUTION!

=>

https://environmentamerica.org/feature/ ... -solutions

Global Warming Solutions
Goal: To give our children and grandchildren a safer, healthier future by going fossil fuel free, promoting carbon-free transportation, reducing power plant pollution, preserving tropical forests and more.

Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 19

Unread postPosted: Mon 21 May 2018, 11:25:31
by KaiserJeep
Q: So, why don't we quit burning fossil fuels?

A: Because, then without mechanized agriculture, Six Billion Plus people would starve.

Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 19

Unread postPosted: Mon 21 May 2018, 13:13:38
by Outcast_Searcher
Subjectivist wrote:Seems how the climate is supposed to suddenly shift I wish it would just ge it over with.

Compared to geologic time scales, the warming is occurring very rapidly already. With SLR accelerating and feedback effects increasingly likely, you'll most likely get your wish, even if it takes a century or two.

Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 19

Unread postPosted: Mon 21 May 2018, 13:22:29
by pstarr
Yes Outcaste, compared to geologic times scales, today's sea level rise and global warming is miniscule.
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That little bit of red is the hockey stick of today's global warming. It's insignificant.

Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 19

Unread postPosted: Mon 21 May 2018, 13:40:59
by jedrider
Pstarr, minimal unless we break out of our current regimen. Oops, already done.

Record shows SL can R quite rapidly.