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Hope Kills

Unread postby dohboi » Mon 02 May 2016, 23:01:45

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 8016300450

A cautionary note about messages of hope:

Focusing on progress in reducing carbon emissions weakens mitigation motivation


(And without lots and lots of motivation, we're all sunk. Errr, rather, we already are sunk, 'cause so few had the balls to speak the supposedly un-motivating grim truth to the masses. )

...negative emotions were strongly related to mitigation motivation and feelings of efficacy, but hope-related emotions had a much weaker relationship with these constructs...

...optimistic message reduced participants’ sense that climate change represented a risk to them...

... the optimistic message was less successful in increasing mitigation motivation than the pessimistic message...

...predictions that the optimistic message would increase efficacy did not transpire;

concerns that the optimistic message would increase complacency did transpire...


And that is pretty much the opposite of what pop-psychologists in charge of Big Enviro Messaging have been saying for decades.

I think this can already be seen in the rear view window. Everyone had to have happy messages and hopium, so no one got too worried--it's all gonna turn out OK 'cause everyone is doing "50 little things that cans save the world" blah blah blah...

Now here we are. Even total motivation from non-stop doom talk will no longer be enough to avoid lots and lots of really horrific stuff raining down on our ears in rather short order.

But still mostly most stories in MSM about whatever latest climate calamity either totally ignore the big picture or paints some kind of happy picture directly or implicitly.

(Sorry, I have to go out and strangle a small kitten or something now!)
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Re: Hope Kills

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 02 May 2016, 23:07:36

dohboi wrote:
A cautionary note about messages of hope:

Focusing on progress in reducing carbon emissions weakens mitigation motivation


Don't worry---- there actually isn't any progress in reducing carbon emissions.

Atmospheric CO2 levels are hitting new records---that means more CO2 emissions---not less.

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Re: Hope Kills

Unread postby dohboi » Mon 02 May 2016, 23:11:09

Thank goodness!

You saved me from having even a momentary lapse into that most dangerous of killer emotions--Hope! :lol: :lol:

Thanks, P.

I know I can always count on ya in a tight spot! :-D :-D :-D
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Re: Hope Kills

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 02 May 2016, 23:27:53

dohboi wrote:Thank goodness!

You saved me from having even a momentary lapse into that most dangerous of killer emotions--Hope! :lol: :lol:

Thanks, P.

I know I can always count on ya in a tight spot! :-D :-D :-D


My pleasure, Dohboi.

I'm hopeful all the time---right now I'm hopeful because the university term is ending, and I'm hoping my trip to Cuba in May will be great! But I'm not going to waste any time hoping for magical CO2 reductions.

Just watching the PBS newshour-----they just finished a report on the very rapid growth in oil consumption in India, which means----as you well know-----increasing CO2 emissions.

Record warm temps continuing here in Alaska---I'm already planting in the garden. A-M-A-Z-I-N-G weather !!!!

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Re: Hope Kills

Unread postby ennui2 » Mon 02 May 2016, 23:32:58

Plantagenet wrote:I'm hoping my trip to Cuba in May will be great! But I'm not going to waste any time hoping for magical CO2 reductions.


Certainly not, otherwise you might reconsider contributing to AGW with your flight to Cuba.

Plantagenet wrote:Record warm temps continuing here in Alaska---I'm already planting in the garden. A-M-A-Z-I-N-G weather !!!!


Keep enjoying what you, in your own small way, are creating, inbetween schooling Obama to do what you say rather than what you do.
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Re: Hope Kills

Unread postby dohboi » Mon 02 May 2016, 23:34:41

It's nice here, too. But back being so in a seasonally appropriate way.

Cuba, huh? I always knew you were a closet Commie!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Do report back to us!
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Re: Hope Kills

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 03 May 2016, 00:32:25

dohboi wrote:It's nice here, too. But back being so in a seasonally appropriate way.

Cuba, huh? I always knew you were a closet Commie!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Do report back to us!


I'm very curious to see communism in action in Cuba before the evil American capitalists move in and ruin everything.

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Re: Hope Kills

Unread postby onlooker » Tue 03 May 2016, 07:59:08

From the Matrix D
The Architect: Humph. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness. end quote
Yes, we are now on a highway to hell. What is so sad is it did NOT have to be this way if we could have at least practiced some restraint and cared at least a little about future generations.
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Re: Hope Kills

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Tue 03 May 2016, 08:19:18

dohboi - Perhaps the problem all along has been what folks have been hoping for. IOW changes in how industrialization effects not only the climate but also the lives of billions. But that's hope focused on a "goal" and not the process of reaching that goal. The "hope" should, in reality, be focused on hoping that the motivations of the vast majority of folks on the planet undergo a radical change. And what's that motivation: to improve the quality of their lives. IOW to "hope" that the vast majority of individuals around the world abandon their efforts to improve their immediate lives.

So what's your personal level of hope for such a huge swing in global attitudes? And by attitude I mean actually making changes instead of just talking about changes. In that context I suspect hanging on to any level of hope is extremely difficult. IOW hoping for the end result and not the process of reaching that end result is much more satisfying.
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Re: Hope Kills

Unread postby Ibon » Tue 03 May 2016, 08:37:54

Oh no.... my real agenda has been revealed. Now you guys know why I preach optimism. To keep everyone blissfully asleep so that the Overshoot Predator can sneak up behind this cozy blanket of hope and strike with his massive paw!
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Re: Hope Kills

Unread postby vox_mundi » Tue 03 May 2016, 08:44:12

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“There are three classes of people: those who see. Those who see when they are shown. Those who do not see.” ― Leonardo da Vinci

Insensible before the wave so soon released by callous fate. Affected most, they understand the least, and understanding, when it comes, invariably arrives too late.
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Re: Hope Kills

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Tue 03 May 2016, 08:55:35

vox - And thus an explanation for the current presidential campaign. LOL.
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Re: Hope Kills

Unread postby Cog » Tue 03 May 2016, 11:02:17

Its going to be ok folks.
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Re: Hope Kills

Unread postby dohboi » Tue 03 May 2016, 11:03:34

Nice discussion, folks. And, yes, it's all about process.

But I may have to change the title to "Cog Kills" :lol: :lol: :lol:

Or "Ibon...???
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Re: Hope Kills

Unread postby RaniDay » Tue 03 May 2016, 12:13:59

Cog actually made me laugh out loud :)
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Re: Hope Kills

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 03 May 2016, 13:27:12

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This ones for you Plant. :-D
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Re: Hope Kills

Unread postby Hawkcreek » Tue 03 May 2016, 14:30:02

This group is hopeless.

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Re: Hope Kills

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 03 May 2016, 15:02:04

This thread sort of gets to the reason why I get so twisted when I hear folks make seemingly Green statements that are dinuative of the problem. Most recently I got my pantie in a bunch over Holdn saying folks ould die working outside. Gosh! 8O Gee killers really? :shock:

No, billions will die, at least. Let's not be wow by washy shall we!
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Re: Hope Kills

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 03 May 2016, 16:07:18

Newfie wrote:This ones for you Plant. :-D


Thanks

But I can't remember what we were hoping for back then……Did we get it?

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Re: Hope Kills

Unread postby ozcad » Wed 04 May 2016, 01:25:08

dohboi sed:
(Sorry, I have to go out and strangle a small kitten or something now!)

Better make sure it's made from kevlar.
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